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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2011, 08:53:27 AM »
Let's talk when Pete Rose gets into the HOF. That's the farkin' travesty. 

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2011, 08:53:40 AM »

How is that Joe Biden's fault? This witch hunt had been going on long before Obama and Biden tool office.

Here's Manny's jersey last year while the team was in San Francisco as it was hanging in the clubhouse.

It started years ago. Yes waaay before Obama/Biden

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2011, 09:27:50 AM »
Cheating....it's actually an even playing field. The only thing that make uneven are the ones that are not on gear. Yes, I know this for a fact.

Take the easy way out by removing decency, honesty and honor, eh? Fuck that noise.  This pussy and the rest like him should have their suspensions (Oooops, Manny "The Mangine" Ramirez retired rather than be suspended) changed to maternity leave.  Nah, kick 'em out permanently. 

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2011, 09:40:48 AM »
Drugs are for mugs.

Honestly though I dont care and I doubt he does. Probaly just enjoy his millions.

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2011, 09:58:28 AM »
You want to remove gear, ok fine then get rid everything that's performance enhancing like caffine, red bull, monster, 5hr energy and anything else. You can make the arguement those are more performance enhancing than gear. Tim Lincicome is a known pot head, you going to make the arguement that weed is better for you than gear? They all cheat

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2011, 10:02:46 AM »
You have this opinion because you are pro steroids because you have taken them.

Ultimately its his job - made money to last him a lifetime I bet he is happy enough.

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2011, 10:05:00 AM »
Take the easy way out by removing decency, honesty and honor, eh? Fuck that noise.  This pussy and the rest like him should have their suspensions (Oooops, Manny "The Mangine" Ramirez retired rather than be suspended) changed to maternity leave.  Nah, kick 'em out permanently. 

You sound like one of those guys who thinks he would've been a pro at everything if everyone who was better than him hadnt been juicing.

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2011, 04:50:57 PM »
You sound like one of those guys who thinks he would've been a pro at everything if everyone who was better than him hadnt been juicing.

A poor supposition at best and it is patently false.  Look, I am far too small to think something so outrageous and have admitted as much here.  I am just against recreational and performance enhancing drugs in sports and in life in general.   Look, as I recently stated I respect you and to be honest I am probably the last person you would want to try and insult here because I've had more childish names and insults thrown at me throughout my life (that happens when you're really tiny  ;D) and am more than capable of linguistically dissecting those that try. ;)

You are not one of those people.  Like I said before, I respect you but you and I shall just have to agree to disagree on this subject.  The choice is yours, young man.

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2011, 05:05:05 PM »
A poor supposition at best and it is patently false.  Look, I am far too small to think something so outrageous and have admitted as much here.  I am just against recreational and performance enhancing drugs in sports and in life in general.   Look, as I recently stated I respect you and to be honest I am probably the last person you would want to try and insult here because I've had more childish names and insults thrown at me throughout my life (that happens when you're really tiny  ;D) and am more than capable of linguistically dissecting those that try. ;)

You are not one of those people.  Like I said before, I respect you but you and I shall just have to agree to disagree on this subject.  The choice is yours, young man.

Sadly, I am not so young, nor am I trying to hurl insults, I just have a difficult time understanding how people can be so opinionated about what others are doing when said actions have zero effect on them personally.
Albeit completely misguided, I can understand why people need to have a scapegoat to accept their own short comings, ie everyone was better cause I was clean and they weren't, biden is a good example of this, but your case is therefore even stranger to me.

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2011, 05:27:28 PM »
Sadly, I am not so young, nor am I trying to hurl insults, I just have a difficult time understanding how people can be so opinionated about what others are doing when said actions have zero effect on them personally.

A robbery on the other side of town wherein someones life is taken has no effect upon anyone other than the victim.  It is still a crime and you are selected for the jury but as the crime in question has had zero effect on you personally you must recuse yourself because your opinion is invalid.  This in spite of it being a felony.

Someone runs a red light and they just miss hitting  your car, but since it has no lasting affect on you no one should care.  It was still breaking the law and a LEO was present but decides against writing a ticket because you were not personally affected in an manner that will last more than a few minutes at best.  No harm, no problem.  Again, in spite of it being a genuine offense you were not personally affected (i.e., harmed in any real way).

You are mugged but they drop the money as they run away.  They are caught within minutes but the police decided to let them go because after all,  you still have your money and they didn't actually harm you.  Yup, you guessed it.  You were not personally affected.  No harm and you still have your money.

We cannot pick and choose the laws you obey.  You can state that steroid use is nothing compared to my analogies, but it is against the law to use them without a prescription and they are banned from many sporting activities/competitions.  We can rail against laws and quite possibly break them either in protest or as a matter of personal habit or disregard (and many people do) or we can work to have them changed or removed but that is up to we the people and our system of government. 

A friend of mine once told me that different people have different levels of disgust.  By that he meant that we all tolerate that which is immoral or illegal according to our personal level(s) of disgust.  It has nothing to do with being "better" than anyone else, instead it is based upon what we will or will not accept as good and evil or right and wrong.  I think PEDs are cheating no matter if one or everyone engages in them.  I think murder is murder and robbery is robbery.  Morality is not really all that relative with the caveat of again, what a person is personally willing to overlook.  Or not.  It really is that simple. 


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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2011, 05:37:42 PM »
In every scenario you presented there was a victim or nearly a victim.  Who is the victim when a guy takes 4iu of gh, an adderal and a cup of coffee, in the morning before going to work out?  And explain the arbitrary decision of caffine totally legal, adderal by perscription, gh illegal.

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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2011, 05:39:27 PM »
A robbery on the other side of town wherein someones life is taken has no effect upon anyone other than the victim.  It is still a crime and you are selected for the jury but as the crime in question has had zero effect on you personally you must recuse yourself because your opinion is invalid.  This in spite of it being a felony.

Someone runs a red light and they just miss hitting  your car, but since it has no lasting affect on you no one should care.  It was still breaking the law and a LEO was present but decides against writing a ticket because you were not personally affected in an manner that will last more than a few minutes at best.  No harm, no problem.  Again, in spite of it being a genuine offense you were not personally affected (i.e., harmed in any real way).

You are mugged but they drop the money as they run away.  They are caught within minutes but the police decided to let them go because after all,  you still have your money and they didn't actually harm you.  Yup, you guessed it.  You were not personally affected.  No harm and you still have your money.

We cannot pick and choose the laws you obey.  You can state that steroid use is nothing compared to my analogies, but it is against the law to use them without a prescription and they are banned from many sporting activities/competitions.  We can rail against laws and quite possibly break them either in protest or as a matter of personal habit or disregard (and many people do) or we can work to have them changed or removed but that is up to we the people and our system of government. 

A friend of mine once told me that different people have different levels of disgust.  By that he meant that we all tolerate that which is immoral or illegal according to our personal level(s) of disgust.  It has nothing to do with being "better" than anyone else, instead it is based upon what we will or will not accept as good and evil or right and wrong.  I think PEDs are cheating no matter if one or everyone engages in them.  I think murder is murder and robbery is robbery.  Morality is not really all that relative with the caveat of again, what a person is personally willing to overlook.  Or not.  It really is that simple. 



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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2011, 05:40:15 PM »
In every scenario you presented there was a victim or nearly a victim.  Who is the victim when a guy takes 4iu of gh, an adderal and a cup of coffee, in the morning before going to work out?  And explain the arbitrary decision of caffine totally legal, adderal by perscription, gh illegal.

Nope.  There was nothing that affected you.  Ergo, you cannot pass judgement.  That was and is my point.  There are many laws that do  not affect you and yet they are valid.  Would  you have them removed from the books?  I think not, sir. Of course I am aware of laws that are archaic in nature but excluding those and societal zeitgeists being what they are (i.e., liberals want nearly everything "legal" and acceptable), I still think not.

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2011, 05:41:09 PM »
Going into the novel-writing business, pixie? :)

Nope.  I know of no one that would buy the tripe that flows from my little mind.   ;D

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2011, 06:19:46 PM »
who?

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2011, 08:58:41 PM »
Ciba was handing out DBOL in 1960 to doctors and "athletes". Rumors are that Roger Maris and other Yankees used it throughout the 60's. Check out Maris's home run numbers. There's no way that guy should have hit 61 home runs in 1961.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/marisro01.shtml

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2011, 09:01:14 PM »
Ciba was handing out DBOL in 1960 to doctors and "athletes". Rumors are that Roger Maris and other Yankees used it throughout the 60's. Check out Maris's home run numbers. There's no way that guy should have hit 61 home runs in 1961.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/marisro01.shtml


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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2011, 09:40:55 PM »
A robbery on the other side of town wherein someones life is taken has no effect upon anyone other than the victim.  It is still a crime and you are selected for the jury but as the crime in question has had zero effect on you personally you must recuse yourself because your opinion is invalid.  This in spite of it being a felony.

Someone runs a red light and they just miss hitting  your car, but since it has no lasting affect on you no one should care.  It was still breaking the law and a LEO was present but decides against writing a ticket because you were not personally affected in an manner that will last more than a few minutes at best.  No harm, no problem.  Again, in spite of it being a genuine offense you were not personally affected (i.e., harmed in any real way).

You are mugged but they drop the money as they run away.  They are caught within minutes but the police decided to let them go because after all,  you still have your money and they didn't actually harm you.  Yup, you guessed it.  You were not personally affected.  No harm and you still have your money.

We cannot pick and choose the laws you obey.  You can state that steroid use is nothing compared to my analogies, but it is against the law to use them without a prescription and they are banned from many sporting activities/competitions.  We can rail against laws and quite possibly break them either in protest or as a matter of personal habit or disregard (and many people do) or we can work to have them changed or removed but that is up to we the people and our system of government. 

A friend of mine once told me that different people have different levels of disgust.  By that he meant that we all tolerate that which is immoral or illegal according to our personal level(s) of disgust.  It has nothing to do with being "better" than anyone else, instead it is based upon what we will or will not accept as good and evil or right and wrong.  I think PEDs are cheating no matter if one or everyone engages in them.  I think murder is murder and robbery is robbery.  Morality is not really all that relative with the caveat of again, what a person is personally willing to overlook.  Or not.  It really is that simple. 



Nope.  There was nothing that affected you.  Ergo, you cannot pass judgement.  That was and is my point.  There are many laws that do  not affect you and yet they are valid.  Would  you have them removed from the books?  I think not, sir. Of course I am aware of laws that are archaic in nature but excluding those and societal zeitgeists being what they are (i.e., liberals want nearly everything "legal" and acceptable), I still think not.

But thats not true.  That robbery across town which claimed a life, that was my father who was killed.  I am now a victim of that crime.  And yes, if there are laws on the books that serve no purpose other than to create crimes absent of a victim, I would absolutely take them off the books.

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2011, 09:46:46 PM »

Abominable Snoman, you tell more lies than Pinnochio.

I guess ex MLBaseball pitcher of the early 70's Tom House is a liar also ::)

The 1963 Chargers were the first full "team" to start playing around with Ciba's dbol. They handed out packets of dbol to the guys. Everyone openly talked about it. However some baseball players reportedly had their hands on some a couple years before that. MLB has done everything to keep that secret a secret. ;)


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3866837

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methandrostenolone


Check out MLB's Tom House's wiki. Says tons of players in the 70's were using steroids/hgh. Hank Aaron just happened to play on the same team as Tom in 1974. Hank Aaron is an asshole for not telling the truth about what the players in the 60's and 70's were doing IMOP


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_House

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2011, 10:09:57 PM »
But thats not true.  That robbery across town which claimed a life, that was my father who was killed.  I am now a victim of that crime.  And yes, if there are laws on the books that serve no purpose other than to create crimes absent of a victim, I would absolutely take them off the books.


Where in my "example" did you see that the "victim" had children?  Such a variable was never included by myself.  As to your other statement, I would definitely remove archaic laws that no longer dealt with genuine crimes.  Drugs are generally a crime that encompasses many "victims" if you will.  Just as alcohol use touches many lives outside alcoholics themselves, so do does drug use including PEDs.  For the record I am against bench/squat/deadlift "suits".  Why?  They are cheating.  It is not the body doing the lift but the body artificially assisted by a "suit". 

You and I could continue to try and counterpoint each other into oblivion.  I will never rationalize or justify so-called "recreational" drugs or PEDs.  For me, such things are for the weak minded.  If I can't build the physique I want with what nature has given me, then I will build the body I am capable of with what nature has bestowed upon me and it will have come from within myself and not a syringe or bottle. 

There is more to be said for that than for any 23 inch, drug built, oil filled arm or 1000 lb. neoprene suit assisted bench press.  Some people want more than they are capable of doing on their own.  For them there are drugs and lifting suits.  For the rest of us there's health and the satisfaction of having built our strength and bodies ourselves.

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2011, 10:54:16 PM »
Nope.  There was nothing that affected you.  Ergo, you cannot pass judgement.  That was and is my point.  There are many laws that do  not affect you and yet they are valid.  Would  you have them removed from the books?  I think not, sir. Of course I am aware of laws that are archaic in nature but excluding those and societal zeitgeists being what they are (i.e., liberals want nearly everything "legal" and acceptable), I still think not.
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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2011, 12:38:14 AM »

How is that Joe Biden's fault? This witch hunt had been going on long before Obama and Biden tool office.

Here's Manny's jersey last year while the team was in San Francisco as it was hanging in the clubhouse.

His fault, no but he's one of the major players and most important figures in the history of anti-steroid laws. Joe Biden is the principle author of the Steroid Control Act.

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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2011, 12:42:10 AM »
Good for him.  His final way of saying f u to the powers that be.
Agree


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Re: Manny Ramirez retires
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2011, 08:22:25 AM »
Cheating....it's actually an even playing field. The only thing that make uneven are the ones that are not on gear. Yes, I know this for a fact.

Dude, we agree on something.

That is all.

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