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sure we can cut spending....but are Americans really ready for the reduced services they would have to live with"???....look at NYC..we cut spending and we cut spending on the MTA mass transit system as well...now the trains are crowded basically all day long now...there is no off-peak anymore...I used to be able to get a seat after rush hour...now I find myself standing....just an inconvenience I can live with..but also now whole bus routes have been cut and it now takes longer to catch a bus just to go a few blocks....imagine this on a nation-wide massive scale not just with public transit but with hospital visits, waiting for court dates, waiting to get a policeman to respond, waiting for firemen to put out fires, waiting for EMT's to come save you from a heart attack, etc....

Can we live with this..yes..do we really want to though???

Its called math.   Its call too any overpaid union fucks doing nothing and them pissing the money away.     

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Its called math.   Its call too any overpaid union fucks doing nothing and them pissing the money away.     

its really not the salaries of the unions that are killing us...its the pensions we are saddled with which come from fraud and abuse of power

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its really not the salaries of the unions that are killing us...its the pensions we are saddled with which come from fraud and abuse of power

Actually, it's both.

Unions are requiring companies to pay people 30 dollars an hour for a 10 dollar an hour job or people walk off en mass. Then, you have pensions which do have fraud and abuse, but wouldn't exist in the first place if it weren't for a union requirement.

So it's pretty much everyones fault... A fucking car shouldn't cost 30 grand to make and the guy putting bolts on an engine shouldn't be making 30 bucks an hour to do that shit.

AND the pensions are fucking ridiculous.

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Actually, it's both.

Unions are requiring companies to pay people 30 dollars an hour for a 10 dollar an hour job or people walk off en mass. Then, you have pensions which do have fraud and abuse, but wouldn't exist in the first place if it weren't for a union requirement.

So it's pretty much everyones fault... A fucking car shouldn't cost 30 grand to make and the guy putting bolts on an engine shouldn't be making 30 bucks an hour to do that shit.

AND the pensions are fucking ridiculous.

I can see your point, but companies can pass on the cost..the back end pensions are killing us because that comes 100% out of public money and city and state stocks...and when the stock market is down, the city and state kick in the difference...that "difference" comes from your check and mine.  we are paying people to sit around and the pensions are bogusly high due to claimed "disabilities" which pushes pensions higher TAX FREE

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Why Obama should pay more in taxes
Apr 20, 2011 09:44 EDT
obama | taxes | US Politics



President Barack Obama wants to increase taxes on the wealthy, and surely is correct that this must be part of any serious plan to control the national debt. Consider the case of a wealthy couple who made $1.7 million in 2010, yet paid only 26.2 percent in federal income taxes — though the top rate supposedly is 35 percent, and the president says that figure should rise to 39.6 percent. The well-off couple in question is Barack and Michelle Obama, whose tax returns, just released, show they paid substantially less than the president says others should pay.

If Obama is in earnest about wanting increased taxes on the wealthy, then he should send the United States Treasury $182,998. That’s the difference between his Form 1040 Line 60 (“This is your total tax”) and what he would have owed at the higher rate (plus limits on itemized deductions) he himself advocates.

So why doesn’t he tax himself more? The Form 1040, after all, only stipulates the minimum tax an American must pay. More is always welcome. Obama should write a check to the United States Treasury for $182,998.

Wealthy people who say the rich should pay higher taxes — Bill Gates and Warren Buffett have joined Obama in declaring this — are free to tax themselves. If you believe the top rate should rise to 39.6 percent (Obama) or 50 percent (Buffett), then calculate the difference and send a check for that amount to the Treasury. Of course no one individual doing this, even a billionaire, would have much impact on the deficit. But if rich people who say they believe in higher taxes were willing to practice what they preach, this would prove their sincerity, making legislation on the point more likely.

“The most fortunate among us can afford to pay a little more,” President Obama said last week about debt and taxes. So why didn’t he? The president is covered by his own definition of “fortunate,” since his proposal calls for higher taxes on individuals earning more than $200,000 or couples earning more than $250,000.

Compared to the tax returns of the rich generally, the president and First Lady look good. They gave $245,000 to charity in 2010, or 14 percent of their income — admirable generosity, and a better number than posted by most recent presidents and vice-presidents.

Figures from the Internal Revenue Service show that in 2008, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the wealthy paid only about 17 percent of their income in federal taxes — less than the president’s 26 percent in 2010, and much less than the official top rate of 35 percent for the bulk of a well-off filer’s income.

That the wealthy as a group are paying 17 percent of their income as federal income taxes, down from 26 percent from the wealthy as a group in 1992, is a result of the tax cuts enacted under George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003, and extended under Obama last year.

The slashing of taxes for the wealthy is well-known — but Bush’s cut reduced taxes for typical people, too. The lower part of the rate structure is now so low that in 2008, 45 percent of American households paid no federal income taxes at all, according to the Tax Policy Center. Americans as a whole paid an average of just 9.2 percent of their income as federal income taxes.

Both figures are postwar lows. The Tea Party claim that federal taxes are rising is, simply, factually untrue.

Falling taxes for average people have played as much a role in the ballooning federal debt as have falling taxes for the rich. In turn, soaking the rich cannot, alone, tame the national-debt monster.

Calculations based on IRS figures suggest — only rough estimates are possible, as tax laws can change economic behavior — that raising the amount of income actually paid as taxes by the rich from the current 17 percent to 26 percent, what the Obamas paid, would bring in about $200 billion a year in fresh federal revenues. Increasing the figure to about 30 percent (likely actual result of the tax changes Obama advocates) would raise the new-revenue total to about $300 billion annually.

Such amounts would ease the deficit, but hardly represent a cure — government red ink is projected to hit $1.6 trillion this fiscal year. There simply isn’t a long-term deficit solution based only on taxing the rich. Social Security benefit cuts, and more taxes on the middle class, will be needed too.

Sustained 5-to-6 percent GDP growth would solve the deficit problem painlessly, by raising revenue without tax increases or Social Security cuts. While such growth, roughly double the current number, is possible, it seems unlikely.

Though tax increases alone cannot put the country’s fiscal house in order, the president should set a better example on his own tax returns.

That $245,000 the Obamas gave to charity, for example — deducting it on their Schedule A reduced their federal tax bill by roughly $85,000, and cut their Illinois state tax bill too. But you’re not required to deduct charitable giving, or to claim any tax favor. Deductions and tax credits are options. If you think the government deserves more of your income, don’t claim them.

Obama said last year that itemized deductions for the wealthy should be phased out — then on his own tax return, claimed a huge itemized deduction. Until those who advocate higher taxes for the well-off practice what they preach, the national debt situation may only get worse.

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Democrats Join "Threat" to Hold Up Debt Ceiling Vote Without Spending Cuts
fox news ^ | 4/21/2011 | fox news



President Obama is starting to feel pressure from his own party to tie spending cuts to a vote to raise the debt limit, even as the administration expresses confidence that Congress will ultimately raise the cap.

The latest moderate Democrat to draw a line in the sand is Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., who told members of a local political group Wednesday that he'll need to see a commitment to cut spending and overhaul the tax code in order to vote to raise the $14.3 trillion cap. The government is expected to reach that ceiling by mid-May.

"What I've told anyone who will listen to me in Washington, including my leadership, is that I'm not going to vote for that unless there is a real and meaningful commitment to debt reduction," Pryor told the Political Animals Club at its monthly meeting at the governor's mansion.


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Why Obama should pay more in taxes
Apr 20, 2011 09:44 EDT
obama | taxes | US Politics



President Barack Obama wants to increase taxes on the wealthy, and surely is correct that this must be part of any serious plan to control the national debt. Consider the case of a wealthy couple who made $1.7 million in 2010, yet paid only 26.2 percent in federal income taxes — though the top rate supposedly is 35 percent, and the president says that figure should rise to 39.6 percent. The well-off couple in question is Barack and Michelle Obama, whose tax returns, just released, show they paid substantially less than the president says others should pay.

If Obama is in earnest about wanting increased taxes on the wealthy, then he should send the United States Treasury $182,998. That’s the difference between his Form 1040 Line 60 (“This is your total tax”) and what he would have owed at the higher rate (plus limits on itemized deductions) he himself advocates.

So why doesn’t he tax himself more? The Form 1040, after all, only stipulates the minimum tax an American must pay. More is always welcome. Obama should write a check to the United States Treasury for $182,998.

Wealthy people who say the rich should pay higher taxes — Bill Gates and Warren Buffett have joined Obama in declaring this — are free to tax themselves. If you believe the top rate should rise to 39.6 percent (Obama) or 50 percent (Buffett), then calculate the difference and send a check for that amount to the Treasury. Of course no one individual doing this, even a billionaire, would have much impact on the deficit. But if rich people who say they believe in higher taxes were willing to practice what they preach, this would prove their sincerity, making legislation on the point more likely.

“The most fortunate among us can afford to pay a little more,” President Obama said last week about debt and taxes. So why didn’t he? The president is covered by his own definition of “fortunate,” since his proposal calls for higher taxes on individuals earning more than $200,000 or couples earning more than $250,000.

Compared to the tax returns of the rich generally, the president and First Lady look good. They gave $245,000 to charity in 2010, or 14 percent of their income — admirable generosity, and a better number than posted by most recent presidents and vice-presidents.

Figures from the Internal Revenue Service show that in 2008, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the wealthy paid only about 17 percent of their income in federal taxes — less than the president’s 26 percent in 2010, and much less than the official top rate of 35 percent for the bulk of a well-off filer’s income.

That the wealthy as a group are paying 17 percent of their income as federal income taxes, down from 26 percent from the wealthy as a group in 1992, is a result of the tax cuts enacted under George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003, and extended under Obama last year.

The slashing of taxes for the wealthy is well-known — but Bush’s cut reduced taxes for typical people, too. The lower part of the rate structure is now so low that in 2008, 45 percent of American households paid no federal income taxes at all, according to the Tax Policy Center. Americans as a whole paid an average of just 9.2 percent of their income as federal income taxes.

Both figures are postwar lows. The Tea Party claim that federal taxes are rising is, simply, factually untrue.

Falling taxes for average people have played as much a role in the ballooning federal debt as have falling taxes for the rich. In turn, soaking the rich cannot, alone, tame the national-debt monster.

Calculations based on IRS figures suggest — only rough estimates are possible, as tax laws can change economic behavior — that raising the amount of income actually paid as taxes by the rich from the current 17 percent to 26 percent, what the Obamas paid, would bring in about $200 billion a year in fresh federal revenues. Increasing the figure to about 30 percent (likely actual result of the tax changes Obama advocates) would raise the new-revenue total to about $300 billion annually.

Such amounts would ease the deficit, but hardly represent a cure — government red ink is projected to hit $1.6 trillion this fiscal year. There simply isn’t a long-term deficit solution based only on taxing the rich. Social Security benefit cuts, and more taxes on the middle class, will be needed too.

Sustained 5-to-6 percent GDP growth would solve the deficit problem painlessly, by raising revenue without tax increases or Social Security cuts. While such growth, roughly double the current number, is possible, it seems unlikely.

Though tax increases alone cannot put the country’s fiscal house in order, the president should set a better example on his own tax returns.

That $245,000 the Obamas gave to charity, for example — deducting it on their Schedule A reduced their federal tax bill by roughly $85,000, and cut their Illinois state tax bill too. But you’re not required to deduct charitable giving, or to claim any tax favor. Deductions and tax credits are options. If you think the government deserves more of your income, don’t claim them.

Obama said last year that itemized deductions for the wealthy should be phased out — then on his own tax return, claimed a huge itemized deduction. Until those who advocate higher taxes for the well-off practice what they preach, the national debt situation may only get worse.

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in philosophy; the search for a moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in philosophy; the search for a moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

The modern liberal is engaged in the moral justification for theft, laziness, and covetousness - MCWAY

If any would not work, neither should he eat - The Apostle Paul, 1st century A.D.

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The modern liberal is engaged in the moral justification for theft, laziness, and covetousness - MCWAY

[/i]If any would not work, neither should he eat[/i] - The Apostle Paul, 1st century A.D.

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Um, good fairy tale quote.

That should make up for any credibility problems you may have had.
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Um, good fairy tale quote.

That should make up for any credibility problems you may have had.

you said it before I did..you are really desperate if you are quoting the Bible ;)

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in philosophy; the search for a moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

So you believe that is acceptable for the government to take from a person who works and give it someone who doesn't? See I was always under the impression that if someone wants to be charitable it is their decision not some jack wagon in DC making said decision.
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So you believe that is acceptable for the government to take from a person who works and give it someone who doesn't? See I was always under the impression that if someone wants to be charitable it is their decision not some jack wagon in DC making said decision.

you are the biggest dickface on here ..,you know goddamn well that the government must do this in order to provide services for everyone....all of our taxes go into a general fund for the betterment of all..what do you want the government to do?..hold your personal tax money in an account for only your personal use???

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Commie.

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you are the biggest dickface on here ..,you know goddamn well that the government must do this in order to provide services for everyone....all of our taxes go into a general fund for the betterment of all..what do you want the government to do?..hold your personal tax money in an account for only your personal use???

Fuck you , you know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about you just want to play your horse shit moral high ground game and avoid the question as usual. I am well aware taxes have to be paid for services...... bankrolling able bodied people who would rather hang out on the corner with a 40 is something else all together. The betterment of all my ass, all these entitlements are used to buy votes, generation after generation of people on the government tit. I'll tell what the government is supposed to do govern within the confines of their constitutional authority.
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Gare is right. Lazy slobs who pay no taxes, Union fat cat gangsters in the public sector and Phony "Green" Initiatives should be entitled to as much free money as the Federal reserve can print until the country is bankrupt and everyone is equally poor.

Anyone who disagrees is selfish. Until we are all poor and completely dependent on the government, America's very existence is criminal.

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Gare is right. Lazy slobs who pay no taxes, Union fat cat gangsters in the public sector and Phony "Green" Initiatives should be entitled to as much free money as the Federal reserve can print until the country is bankrupt and everyone is equally poor.

Anyone who disagrees is selfish. Until we are all poor and completely dependent on the government, America's very existence is criminal.
Thanks for backing me up, bro.
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Budget Panel: Obama Deficit Plan Saves Less Than Advertised
Fox News ^ | April 21, 2011 | Fox News




A leading panel of budget experts estimated Thursday that President Obama's latest spending plan does not save as much money as the White House initially claimed and is about $1.5 trillion more expensive than the Republican plan. 

Since he delivered a major fiscal policy address last week, Obama and other officials have touted that the White House plan would cut $4 trillion over 12 years. Using that figure, they've claimed it's very similar to a House Republican plan which supposedly would cut $4.4 trillion over 10 years. 

But given that most budget outlines use a 10-year window, as required by law, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget tried to offer an apples-to-apples comparison -- and determined Obama's proposal would actually cut deficits by $2.5 trillion over the next decade. It credited the president for "moving the ball forward," but said that based on Congressional Budget Office assumptions, the plan doesn't do enough to tackle the debt crisis. 

"It appears unlikely that the policies proposed in the president's framework would be sufficient to reduce debt to a manageable level," they wrote.


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Um, good fairy tale quote.

That should make up for any credibility problems you may have had.

Hate to break it to you, but the apostle Paul is hardly a fairy tale. He's a historical figure. So, as usual, your feeble little blurbs don't hold up to scrutiny.

And, it doesn't save you from addressing the issue of liberalism, being based on class envy, laziness and covetousness from people, wanting to mooch off the labor of hard-working people.

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Hate to break it to you, but the apostle Paul is hardly a fairy tale. He's a historical figure. So, as usual, your feeble little blurbs don't hold up to scrutiny.

And, it doesn't save you from addressing the issue of liberalism, being based on class envy, laziness and covetousness from people, wanting to mooch off the labor of hard-working people.
Have you ever had sex (with a woman)?
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Thanks for backing me up, bro.

Anytime sport  ;)

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On the debt ceiling:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. \" can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion.That is “trillion” with a “T.” That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities.

Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006

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Have you ever had sex (with a woman)?

It depends!! Does your mama count??


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LMFAO

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someone who is very feminine outwardly and lacks "testicular fortitude"

why not address the quote he made? instead of simply ridiculing the person who made it?

that doesnt make the quote any less valid you know...or i guess you didnt...

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April 25, 2011
The First Adult -- AWOL
By Robert Samuelson

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WASHINGTON -- If you've wondered why it's so hard to subdue budget deficits, you should consult a new study from the Congressional Budget Office called "Reducing the Deficit: Spending and Revenue Options" (free at www.cbo.gov). You'll learn from its 240 pages that the deficits definitely can be curbed. The CBO presents 105 policies (it doesn't endorse them) that would shrink deficits by trillions of dollars over the next decade. You'll also learn -- surprise! -- that most choices are political poison.

Suppose we increased the federal gasoline tax by 25 cents a gallon, from 18.4 cents to 43.4 cents. That would raise $291 billion over the decade from 2012 to 2021, estimates the CBO. Or we could advance the ages for early and full Social Security benefits; one suggestion is to raise them (now 62 and 66) by two months a year until reaching predetermined targets (say, 64 and 70). The CBO reckons the decade's savings at about $264 billion. How about slowly moving Medicare's eligibility age from 65 to 67. The savings: $125 billion.

Are we finished? Nowhere near. At most, these crowd pleasers would make noticeable dents. Recall that the deficits total almost $10 trillion over the next decade under President Obama's original 2012 budget. That's the point: even discounting the effects of the deep recession, prospective deficits are so large that they can't be cured by tinkering. We should be asking basic questions:

-- How big a government do we want? For four decades, federal spending has averaged 21 percent of gross domestic product. An aging population and high health costs mean that average spending, as a share of GDP, will rise by a third or more in the next 10 to 15 years if today's programs simply continue.

-- Who deserves government subsidies and how much? About 55 percent of spending goes to individuals, including the elderly, veterans, farmers, students, the disabled and the poor.

-- How much, if at all, should social spending be allowed to squeeze national defense?

-- If taxes rise, how much and on whom? What taxes would least hurt economic growth?

We aren't having this debate, and President Obama is mainly to blame. His recent budget speech at George Washington University was a telling model of evasion, contradiction and deception. He warned that by 2025 present tax levels would suffice only to pay for "Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the interest we owe on our debt. ... Every other national priority -- education, transportation, even our national security -- will (be paid) with borrowed money." He noted that businesses may not invest in a country that seems "unable to balance its books."

Fine. But Obama has no plan to balance the budget -- ever. He asserted "every kind of spending (is) on the table." But every kind of spending is not on the table. He virtually ruled out cutting Social Security, the government's biggest program (2011 spending: $727 billion). For example, Social Security is excluded from a proposed "trigger" that would automatically reduce spending and raise taxes if certain deficit targets weren't met. He also put Medicare (2011 spending: $572 billion) largely off-limits.

The president keeps promoting an "adult conversation" about the budget, but that can't happen if the First Adult doesn't play his part. Obama is eager to be all things to all people. He's against the debt and its adverse consequences, but he's for preserving Social Security and Medicare without major changes. He's for "tough cuts," but he's against saying what they are and defending them. He pronounces ambitious goals without saying how they'd be reached. Mainly, he's for scoring political points against Republicans.

Deficit politics are inherently unpopular. One way -- maybe the only way -- to break today's deadlock is to alter public opinion so that some government benefits are seen as unnecessary or illegitimate and some taxes are seen as fair burden-sharing.

Given better health, longer life expectancy and wealthier elderly, why shouldn't Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages be raised and means-testing broadened? The president doesn't broach this debate. Farmers receive about $15 billion a year in crop subsidies to help offset the insecurities of weather and fluctuating prices. Considering that volatile markets impose similar insecurities on many Americans, why do farmers deserve special protection? The president doesn't engage that debate. Might not a higher gasoline tax reduce budget deficits and oil imports? Obama is silent there, too.

All this may be politically shrewd. Voters disdain hard choices. Liberal pundits loved Obama's speech. But another audience is less impressed -- global money managers. The Financial Times' respected columnist Gillian Tett recently asked whether the administration's "reassuring patter on debt" could be believed. Not entirely, she concluded. Shortly thereafter, Standard & Poor's warned that it might downgrade U.S. government debt. Obama is flirting with trouble, even if he doesn't realize it.

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It depends!! Does your mama count??



I think McWay needs to stick with arguing about the questionable effdectiveness of supplements...he is way over his head here on the political board :D