Author Topic: Jay Cutler "I eat upwards of 6500-7500 calories on the average day" (Read 52866 times)

pellius · « **Reply #50 on:** April 19, 2011, 06:03:42 PM »

Quote from: OneMoreRep on April 19, 2011, 05:48:51 PM

Nothing you have said disputes what I posted. I will leave it at that, because any MED student, Doctor or even A&P professor will tell you that prolonged consumption of large amounts of protein will cause inevitable kidney damage, be it by the formation of stones that leads to acute renal failure or otherwise.

Again, you're not worth debating with, because you are clearly not that smart.

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I've mentioned this before but there was this program on National Geographic about this tribe in the Artic or Anartic. I forget which. They theorized that they got stranded during the migration during the ice age. Anyway, all they do do they follow the Caribou where they get everything they need to survive. Their clothes, tents, candles and food. They get virtually no, or just no, carbohydrates. Only protein and fat from Caribou meat. Assuming they consume 2,500 calories to survive and the meat is say 20% fat they would still be consuming 500 grams of protein/day.

Of course, I don't know how long their average life span is of any disease that predominate. But amino acids can be converted to glucose for energy whereas carbs/glucose cannot be converted to amino acids.

TrueGrit · « **Reply #51 on:** April 19, 2011, 06:13:57 PM »

When he plans his trips he must need to ring ahead to verify he is never more than 200yrds from a toilet. His wife must lie on the hotel bed and turn up the TV in order to block out the explosive fart-echo coming from the toilet bowl as she listens to her husband empty his bowels and pray that the extraction fan is working this time..

asbrus · « **Reply #52 on:** April 19, 2011, 06:14:56 PM »

Quote from: pellius on April 19, 2011, 06:03:42 PM

I've mentioned this before but there was this program on National Geographic about this tribe in the Artic or Anartic. I forget which. They theorized that they got stranded during the migration during the ice age. Anyway, all they do do they follow the Caribou where they get everything they need to survive. Their clothes, tents, candles and food. They get virtually no, or just no, carbohydrates. Only protein and fat from Caribou meat. Assuming they consume 2,500 calories to survive and the meat is say 20% fat they would still be consuming 500 grams of protein/day.

Of course, I don't know how long their average life span is of any disease that predominate. But amino acids can be converted to glucose for energy whereas carbs/glucose cannot be converted to amino acids.

I'M AWARE 0F TH0SE TRIBES. IN THE RAT STUDY I P0STED DET0XIFICATI0N LEVELS WENT UP. L0W PR0TEIN ACTUALLY DAMAGES AND WEAKENS THE KIDNEYS.

The_Iron_Disciple · « **Reply #53 on:** April 19, 2011, 06:18:04 PM »

I'm curious what a typical eating day is like for Jay off-season. Can't imagine how much that fucker can put down in a day. Whew !

OTHstrong · « **Reply #54 on:** April 19, 2011, 06:59:38 PM »

Quote from: OneMoreRep on April 19, 2011, 05:48:51 PM

Nothing you have said disputes what I posted. I will leave it at that, because any MED student, Doctor or even A&P professor will tell you that prolonged consumption of large amounts of protein will cause inevitable kidney damage, be it by the formation of stones that leads to acute renal failure or otherwise.

Again, you're not worth debating with, because you are clearly not that smart.

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bro, c'mon. seriously?

??...... You can't possibly believe this shit. Studies you are reading aren't' meant in the real world their meant for average, conservative, timid masses and only for show. Off course if an average 145 lb collage students eats 500 grams of protein a day, their may be a problem, but we are talking about bodybuilders who have built tolerance and have gradually increase their protein intake throughout the years.. There are sumo wrestles that drink a case of beer a day for years. I know a guy who smokes 2 packs of cigarettes a day and has for the last 25 years, according to studies he should have had cancer 15 years a go. studies mean nothing in the real world, stop being so gullible. 500 grams of protein a day is no big deal in fact i think he is lying and just being conservative with these figure. 600-800 is what I would've guessed

Marty Champions · « **Reply #55 on:** April 19, 2011, 07:45:39 PM »

Quote from: pellius on April 19, 2011, 06:03:42 PM

I've mentioned this before but there was this program on National Geographic about this tribe in the Artic or Anartic. I forget which. They theorized that they got stranded during the migration during the ice age. Anyway, all they do do they follow the Caribou where they get everything they need to survive. Their clothes, tents, candles and food. They get virtually no, or just no, carbohydrates. Only protein and fat from Caribou meat. Assuming they consume 2,500 calories to survive and the meat is say 20% fat they would still be consuming 500 grams of protein/day.

Of course, I don't know how long their average life span is of any disease that predominate. But amino acids can be converted to glucose for energy whereas carbs/glucose cannot be converted to amino acids.

carbs are amino acids asshole

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #56 on:** April 19, 2011, 07:47:16 PM »

All cornfed.

Marty Champions · « **Reply #57 on:** April 19, 2011, 07:48:31 PM »

he's a fucking pig

OneMoreRep · « **Reply #58 on:** April 19, 2011, 07:54:34 PM »

What's funny is that this same debate between asbrus and I is typical of the type of debates that I have had before with Palumbo and Collete in person.

They would always jump into the entire talk about Ketosis and it's role in diets.

I say this again and for the last time, the same theories and views that I expressed here are the views that every single doctor holds true to based on what they are taught in med school.

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Hulkotron · « **Reply #59 on:** April 19, 2011, 08:13:24 PM »

There actually isn't any conclusive scientific evidence that protein intake induces kidney damage in otherwise healthy kidneys.

asbrus · « **Reply #60 on:** April 19, 2011, 08:16:29 PM »

Quote from: OneMoreRep on April 19, 2011, 07:54:34 PM

What's funny is that this same debate between asbrus and I is typical of the type of debates that I have had before with Palumbo and Collete in person.

They would always jump into the entire talk about Ketosis and it's role in diets.

I say this again and for the last time, the same theories and views that I expressed here are the views that every single doctor holds true to based on what they are taught in med school.

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WHERE D0 Y0U GET THIS VIEW THAT EVERY SINGLE D0CT0R H0LDS THIS BELIEF AS TRUE? 0NLY QUACKADAMECIS D0. A RESPECTABLE D0CT0R AND 0NE WH0 ACTUALLY G0ES BY FACTS AND N0T 0PINI0NS DISAGREES WITH EVERYTHING Y0U SAY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE FACTS AND N0T BELIEFS. ACTUALLY IN MEDICAL SCH00L THEY G0 BY FACTS RATHER THAN BELIEFS. IF Y0U D0N'T HAVE A STUDY PR0VING Y0UR P0INT Y0U ARE A QUAKADEMIC. A ZEAL0T IS A PERS0N WH0 HAS A STR0NG BELIEF 0R THE0RY REGARDLESS 0F THE FACTS PRESENTED T0 HIM. FACTS>THE0RIES,VIEWS 0R BELIEFS

OneMoreRep · « **Reply #61 on:** April 19, 2011, 08:20:09 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on April 19, 2011, 08:16:29 PM

WHERE D0 Y0U GET THIS VIEW THAT EVERY SINGLE D0CT0R H0LDS THIS BELIEF AS TRUE? 0NLY QUACKADAMECIS D0. A RESPECTABLE D0CT0R AND 0NE WH0 ACTUALLY G0ES BY FACTS AND N0T 0PINI0NS DISAGREES WITH EVERYTHING Y0U SAY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE FACTS AND N0T BELIEFS. ACTUALLY IN MEDICAL SCH00L THEY G0 BY FACTS RATHER THAN BELIEFS. IF Y0U D0N'T HAVE A STUDY PR0VING Y0UR P0INT Y0U ARE A QUAKADEMIC. A ZEAL0T IS A PERS0N WH0 HAS A STR0NG BELIEF 0R THE0RY REGARDLESS 0F THE FACTS PRESENTED T0 HIM. FACTS>THE0RIES,VIEWS 0R BELIEFS

Dude,

Next time you pass by Barnes N Nobles pick up a copy of Harrison's Internal Medicine and you will see that some of the causes for acute renal failure and also kidney stones includes large consumption of animal protein.

It's a common fact shared by most internists.

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asbrus · « **Reply #62 on:** April 19, 2011, 08:22:57 PM »

Quote from: OneMoreRep on April 19, 2011, 08:20:09 PM

Dude,

Next time you pass by Barnes N Nobles pick up a copy of Harrison's Internal Medicine and you will see that some of the causes for acute renal failure and also kidney stones includes large consumption of animal protein.

It's a common fact shared by most internists.

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0KAY WELL I'D BE GLAD F0R Y0U T0 P0ST 0NE STUDY 0F THIS.

OneMoreRep · « **Reply #63 on:** April 19, 2011, 08:24:51 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on April 19, 2011, 08:22:57 PM

0KAY WELL I'D BE GLAD F0R Y0U T0 P0ST 0NE STUDY 0F THIS.

I'm telling you what the bible of internal medicine states. The same textbook that is used by practically every MED student.

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OneMoreRep · « **Reply #64 on:** April 19, 2011, 08:28:23 PM »

..But again, I don't really care too much either way. If you think that proving me wrong either way makes a difference, it doesn't.

I don't consume over 100 grams of protein daily. I honestly don't think it's necessary.

My opinion is that Cutler is not being truthful about his true intake.

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asbrus · « **Reply #65 on:** April 19, 2011, 08:28:46 PM »

Quote from: OneMoreRep on April 19, 2011, 08:24:51 PM

I'm telling you what the bible of internal medicine states. The same textbook that is used by practically every MED student.

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RENAL FAILURE IS N0T CAUSED BY ANIMAL PR0TEIN. IT IS CAUSED BY GLYCATI0N AND GLYCATED HEM0GL0BINS WHICH RESULT IN HIGH BL00D SUGAR AND GLUC0SE LEVELS. CHECK THE BIBLE AGAIN. Y0U'RE MISINF0RMED.

Modification of low density lipoprotein by advanced glycation end products contributes to the dyslipidemia of diabetes and renal insufficiency
http://www.pnas.org/content/91/20/9441.short

asbrus · « **Reply #66 on:** April 19, 2011, 08:29:47 PM »

Quote from: OneMoreRep on April 19, 2011, 08:28:23 PM

..But again, I don't really care too much either way. If you think that proving me wrong either way makes a difference, it doesn't.

I don't consume over 100 grams of protein daily. I honestly don't think it's necessary.

My opinion is that Cutler is not being truthful about his true intake.

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CUTLER EASILY TAKES IN 500 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN A DAY. WHEN Y0U ARE THAT BIG 300 LBS 0F MUSCLE MASS AND ARE TAKING THAT MANY DRUGS, Y0UR B0DY CAN ABS0RB THE PR0TEIN.

muscularny · « **Reply #67 on:** April 19, 2011, 09:05:44 PM »

if hes 300 ronnie is 400lbs and gunter was 450 and kovakas 900

he dont eat that much and he dont spend 2hrs a day in a gym on avg

gh15 · « **Reply #68 on:** April 19, 2011, 10:27:20 PM »

5000-6000 calories is not that much,,for the 250lb lean muscle bodybuilder on so omuch hormones its ok ,,you get there very easily by eating ice cream ,,eggwhites,,pasta or rice with sushi ,,no gluten pizzas,,german ,,jamaican ,,burgers,, you get there very easily ,,he take between 4500-6000 a day ,,

gh15 approved

dyslexic · « **Reply #69 on:** April 19, 2011, 11:37:58 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Falcon on April 19, 2011, 07:48:31 PM

he's a fucking pig

that must spend a whole lotta time poopin...

Firemuscle · « **Reply #70 on:** April 19, 2011, 11:45:59 PM »

Is it worth it?

To eat like a fucking pig and inject chemicals constantly.

Just for the muscles?

I don't think so.

Some people are just obsessed and wrecklessly dive into it head first though.

asbrus · « **Reply #71 on:** April 19, 2011, 11:47:20 PM »

Quote from: BlackFlagRedStar on April 19, 2011, 11:45:59 PM

Is it worth it?

To eat like a fucking pig and inject chemicals constantly.

Just for the muscles?

I don't think so.

Some people are just obsessed and wrecklessly dive into it head first though.

THE WAY I SEE IT IS Y0U CAN HAVE L0TS 0F MUSCLES NATURALLY AND SEEM BIG T0 THE AVERAGE PERS0N.

Firemuscle · « **Reply #72 on:** April 19, 2011, 11:49:48 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on April 19, 2011, 11:47:20 PM

THE WAY I SEE IT IS Y0U CAN HAVE L0TS 0F MUSCLES NATURALLY AND SEEM BIG T0 THE AVERAGE PERS0N.

That's how I see it too.

There's nothing wrong with using some gear and eating a healthy high-protien diet. But the force feeding and the megadosing is some fucked up shit.

Michael Phelps eat 10,000 calories per day, but he's burning up those cals. These bodybuilders just eat like that and sit around getting bloated.

rccs · « **Reply #73 on:** April 20, 2011, 01:34:04 AM »

Quote from: OneMoreRep on April 19, 2011, 07:54:34 PM

What's funny is that this same debate between asbrus and I is typical of the type of debates that I have had before with Palumbo and Collete in person.

They would always jump into the entire talk about Ketosis and it's role in diets.

I say this again and for the last time, the same theories and views that I expressed here are the views that every single doctor holds true to based on what they are taught in med school.

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Youa are a spoiled phag aren't you? You do not master reason, the only thing you master is somebody's cock!

SweetMuscles · « **Reply #74 on:** April 20, 2011, 04:45:17 AM »

One more - the studies you posted were conducted on people with ailing kidneys and lab rats. Also, notice that their conclusions contain the words "may" and "could" cause... There is no definitive proof it causes kidney failure.

I do agree though that it is most certainly not necessary to eat that much protein, especially if not a major drug abuser.