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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2011, 03:41:41 AM »
Ummm... they could watch and cry when death approaches them?



  Or maybe just shoot it down like they did to the othher chopper? The armor of the chopper makes no difference. You try to fly a chopper after it has been hit by an anti-air artillary shell. Even if the armor holds, the damage to the chopper's systems will almost certainly make it crash.

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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2011, 03:50:05 AM »
 Or maybe just shoot it down like they did to the othher chopper? The armor of the chopper makes no difference. You try to fly a chopper after it has been hit by an anti-air artillary shell. Even if the armor holds, the damage to the chopper's systems will almost certainly make it crash.

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Oh shit,,, I have to call to the world's second largest military might and suggest them cancel their order of 1000 of the choppers because they have no use as some Brazilian criminals can down them  :D   LOL

Too bad they already got so excited about it  :'(


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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2011, 03:50:27 AM »
good movie

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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2011, 04:25:20 AM »
haha, yes, no one beats Ruskis when it comes to special units - be it police or military units.

Let Russians in Brazil for little time and they would clean out the whole shithole... no dealers left. Everyone would be shot in head or choked to death in little time.

 Two words... Russian Mafia.

 Clean that first. ;)
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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2011, 07:12:36 AM »


Send in an army with dual AA-12 fully auto shottys

I LOVE that shotgun

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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2011, 08:48:03 AM »
All this makes me glad I live in a place where I don't have to concern myself with 'urban warfare' and which bunch of armed guys is more elite than another bunch of armed guys.

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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2011, 08:55:52 AM »
  Bandits shoot down the police helicopter using anti-aircraft shell. Seriously, the Brazilian government should hire the Unites States Marine Corps to fight these drug dealers. Obviously, they are too heavily armed even for the SWATS that fight them.



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Word on the street is that your brother from another mother, benchmstr, is tackling the problem as you whine on here.

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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2011, 09:48:54 AM »
sucknymuscle: you seriously think some ghetto brazillians with uzi's and 9mm's are going to take down a Ka-50 !?!?!

are you on fucking crack??!, they may have a few rpg's  but NOTHING that will touch a Ka-50 or F22

here are it's armaments, it can engage targets at out to 8km :)

"The aircraft carries a substantial load of weapons in four external hardpoints under the stub wings plus two on the wingtips, a total of some 2,000 kg depending on the mix.[19]

The main armament are the twelve laser-guided Vikhr anti-tank missiles with a maximum range of some 8 km. The laser guidance is reported to be virtually jam-proof and the system features automatic guidance to target, enabling evasive action immediately after missile launch. The fire control system automatically shares all target information among the four Black Sharks of a typical flight in real time, allowing one helicopter to engage a target spotted by another, and the system can also input target information from ground-based forward scouts with personnel-carried target designation gear.[citation needed] The Ka-50 can also carry several Rocket pods, which include the S-13 and the S-8 rockets. The rockets, rocket pods, and along with the Ka-50 can be upgraded to the Ugroza Precision-guided munition system.[20] The integrated 30 mm cannon is semi-rigidly fixed on the helicopter's side, movable only slightly in elevation and azimuth. The semi-rigid mounting improves the cannon's accuracy"

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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2011, 10:13:29 AM »
sucknymuscle: you seriously think some ghetto brazillians with uzi's and 9mm's are going to take down a Ka-50 !?!?!

are you on fucking crack??!, they may have a few rpg's  but NOTHING that will touch a Ka-50 or F22

here are it's armaments, it can engage targets at out to 8km :)

"The aircraft carries a substantial load of weapons in four external hardpoints under the stub wings plus two on the wingtips, a total of some 2,000 kg depending on the mix.[19]

The main armament are the twelve laser-guided Vikhr anti-tank missiles with a maximum range of some 8 km. The laser guidance is reported to be virtually jam-proof and the system features automatic guidance to target, enabling evasive action immediately after missile launch. The fire control system automatically shares all target information among the four Black Sharks of a typical flight in real time, allowing one helicopter to engage a target spotted by another, and the system can also input target information from ground-based forward scouts with personnel-carried target designation gear.[citation needed] The Ka-50 can also carry several Rocket pods, which include the S-13 and the S-8 rockets. The rockets, rocket pods, and along with the Ka-50 can be upgraded to the Ugroza Precision-guided munition system.[20] The integrated 30 mm cannon is semi-rigidly fixed on the helicopter's side, movable only slightly in elevation and azimuth. The semi-rigid mounting improves the cannon's accuracy"

  A hand bazooka can down any helicopter. Why? Even if the armor can resist frickin' missiles, the amount of damage caused by the bazooka to the internal engines and guiding systems will make the chopper go down. In Vietnam, helicopters were put down with AK-47s when the bullets hit critical spots on the helicopter. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest links, and a helicopter, any, has many weak links. that's what happens when you fly, dude. A tank, conversely, has very few weak links and is very hard to take out. That is why the Brazilian goverment used tanks and not helicopters to take the Complexo do Alemão, Rio's most dangerous favela.
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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2011, 10:15:32 AM »
  And if you think that all that the Brazilian drug lords have are 9mm and Uzis, you are seriously mistaken. That chopper was brought down with anti-air artillary shells, dude. This is not the kind of stuff that the Crips and Bloods have.

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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2011, 10:47:52 AM »
sucknymuscle: you seriously think some ghetto brazillians with uzi's and 9mm's are going to take down a Ka-50 !?!?!

are you on fucking crack??!, they may have a few rpg's  but NOTHING that will touch a Ka-50 or F22

here are it's armaments, it can engage targets at out to 8km :)

"The aircraft carries a substantial load of weapons in four external hardpoints under the stub wings plus two on the wingtips, a total of some 2,000 kg depending on the mix.[19]

The main armament are the twelve laser-guided Vikhr anti-tank missiles with a maximum range of some 8 km. The laser guidance is reported to be virtually jam-proof and the system features automatic guidance to target, enabling evasive action immediately after missile launch. The fire control system automatically shares all target information among the four Black Sharks of a typical flight in real time, allowing one helicopter to engage a target spotted by another, and the system can also input target information from ground-based forward scouts with personnel-carried target designation gear.[citation needed] The Ka-50 can also carry several Rocket pods, which include the S-13 and the S-8 rockets. The rockets, rocket pods, and along with the Ka-50 can be upgraded to the Ugroza Precision-guided munition system.[20] The integrated 30 mm cannon is semi-rigidly fixed on the helicopter's side, movable only slightly in elevation and azimuth. The semi-rigid mounting improves the cannon's accuracy"

I talked about ka-52 but it doesn't matter - end coming is:

No one messes around with these big boys  8)



And also, no one mess around with Ruski  ;D



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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2011, 09:46:08 PM »
  A hand bazooka can down any helicopter. Why? Even if the armor can resist frickin' missiles, the amount of damage caused by the bazooka to the internal engines and guiding systems will make the chopper go down. In Vietnam, helicopters were put down with AK-47s when the bullets hit critical spots on the helicopter. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest links, and a helicopter, any, has many weak links. that's what happens when you fly, dude. A tank, conversely, has very few weak links and is very hard to take out. That is why the Brazilian goverment used tanks and not helicopters to take the Complexo do Alemão, Rio's most dangerous favela.
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Just an FYI: you're talking about huey's in the 60's, I'm talking about stealth attack helicopters that can pull 3.5g's

sure those slow ass huey's were getting shot down by fire from AK's because the tail rotor's and engine bay's were relatively unprotected, also in regards to your 'hand bazooka' claim, here are the ballistics for the RPG-7 (most commonly use bazooka around the world)

Weight    7 kg (15 lb)
Length    950 mm (37.4 in)
Caliber    85mm
Muzzle velocity    115 m/s
Effective range    200m
Maximum range    ~ 920 m (1000 yd) (self detonates)

Like I said in the previous post, the Ka-50/Ka-52 can engage multiple targets at ~8KM

you do the math :)

and I'm sure the reason the Brazilians went in with tanks instead of attack helicopters is because they most likely
wanted to scare the criminals and not just fly in and annihilate them all.

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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2011, 10:32:48 PM »
Captain E, where are you from?
You seem to know a little about these things... great to see someone other also knows   :)

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Re: Black Hawk Down.
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2011, 10:44:29 PM »
Captain E, where are you from?
You seem to know a little about these things... great to see someone other also knows   :)

Eastern Europe :)

likewise, nice to see someone with a good knowledge of the best things in life!