You can bash the President of the US, but not the IFBB or NPC.

[Parker]

Now, how odd is that? You can have a board in which the President can be bashed, but don't bash the heads of the IFBB, and definitely don't bash the top man of the NPC or his son...  And "we" the followers of this "sport" talk about legitimacy, accountability? Well, if the top people view themselves as untouchable--- how can thing truly be legit...
The President of the United States gets dumped on everyday, from every country, yet the people who run this sport and are responsible for the quality control cannot be questioned or criticized--- especially on bbings most read, most critical site... the irony...

[Xerxes]

come on bro, this shit is not cool, how will Ron cope without his backstage passes?

[tendonitis]

Now, how odd is that? You can have a board in which the President can be bashed, but don't bash the heads of the IFBB, and definitely don't bash the top man of the NPC or his son...
And "we" the followers of this "sport" talk about legitimacy, accountability? Well, if the top people view themselves as untouchable---how can thing truly be legit...
The Presidnet of the United States gets dumped on everyday, from every country, yet the people who run this sport and are responsible for the quality control cannot be questioned or criticized---especially on bbings most read, most critical site...the irony...

x1,000

[Chick]

What is it you would like to know?

[The Grim Lifter]

What is it you would like to know?

What is it you are willing to tell?

[Hulkotron]

Did somebody get time-outed?

[Mr. Magoo]

What is it you would like to know?

why do so many people with good quality physiques give up in the IFBB/NPC citing favoritism within the sport, where not necessary the best physique on stage wins

[Chick]

why do so many people with good quality physiques give up in the IFBB/NPC citing favoritism within the sport, where not necessary the best physique on stage wins

Lets face it...no one except the winner is satisfied with the results....and even here after a show, you cant get the majority of the people to agree on who was better.  Not to mention the majority of fans are looking at the show after the fact, through pics and video....not the same as being there.

People that lose are always looking at other reasons as to why they werent the winner....certainly couldnt be THEM, right?

[Mr. Magoo]

Lets face it...no one except the winner is satisfied with the results....and even here after a show, you cant get the majority of the people to agree on who was better.  Not to mention the majority of fans are looking at the show after the fact, through pics and video....not the same as being there.

People that lose are always looking at other reasons as to why they werent the winner....certainly couldnt be THEM, right?

so you're making the "they're all bitter" claim. I thought you might do that.

Out of all the people who compete with excellent physiques and then claim that politics have played a part in the judging, what percentage do you think have some basis to make that assertion? 60-70%?

[OneMoreRep]

Now, how odd is that? You can have a board in which the President can be bashed, but don't bash the heads of the IFBB, and definitely don't bash the top man of the NPC or his son...
And "we" the followers of this "sport" talk about legitimacy, accountability? Well, if the top people view themselves as untouchable---how can thing truly be legit...
The Presidnet of the United States gets dumped on everyday, from every country, yet the people who run this sport and are responsible for the quality control cannot be questioned or criticized---especially on bbings most read, most critical site...the irony...

Park park,

We've gone over this before.  You know Ron will suffer the consequences if the reputations of these so-called industry heads become tarnished on this site.

If these guys make it a point to go after Ron, they will work their magic in trying to blackball him from all NPC and IFBB events.  Ron enjoys this sport and the picture-taking that comes with it.

If anyone here starts to call the head of the NPC, judges or even the top guys in the IFBB by derogatory names (Be it true or not), they could very well make the appropriate calls and have Ron banned from those events.

It's a business Park park, a sad business at that..
"1"

[Chick]

so you're making the "they're all bitter" claim. I thought you might do that.

Out of all the people who compete with excellent physiques and then claim that politics have played a part in the judging, what percentage do you think have some basis to make that assertion? 60-70%?

They're not ALL bitter...but some are.  And it's tough for athletes that have put so much time, effort and money into a show, to believe that perhaps...they just werent good enough.  Even tougher for the significant others to deal with reality most times....they're emotionally invested...judges arent.

The percentage of competitors that THINK they got "screwed, etc" might me 60-70%....In reality, it's a rarity.

[Parker]

If you look at that Greek guy, Mike K, and Branch, you see in their outlines, the same type of physique---T-Rex... But, that is where the resemblance ends. Mike is heads and shoulders better than Branch, yet Branch wins the Arnold, and with zero back detail, he looks like a fried T-Rex...but that is another deal

we cannot outrightly criticize the head of the NPC and how he has allowed the quality to dwindle in the ranks, yet his son can make comicbooks and use fitness competitors for them...who funds such projects? And can these funds be rerouted to towards other projects... We can't criticize the powers that be on here, or Ron will be punished...

You know, when car rags where ragging on Mercedes Benz lack of quality, did Mercedes say, "we are not going to listen to you, no more test cars for you"? No, they step up their quality, offered more cars to be tested...well, the NPC/IFBB needs to step up and understand that they too can be questioned, criticized, etc.
That air of untouchability of, you can only bash or critique the competitors needs to go.

We can sit here and say Phil Heath looks bloofy but we can't say that _____ looks like Chaz Bono. We can't criticize policies or Ron gets punished---booolshit...

[Coach is Back!]

Now, how odd is that? You can have a board in which the President can be bashed, but don't bash the heads of the IFBB, and definitely don't bash the top man of the NPC or his son...
And "we" the followers of this "sport" talk about legitimacy, accountability? Well, if the top people view themselves as untouchable---how can thing truly be legit...
The Presidnet of the United States gets dumped on everyday, from every country, yet the people who run this sport and are responsible for the quality control cannot be questioned or criticized---especially on bbings most read, most critical site...the irony...

The you need to my posts a little closer....I bash both because they equally suck.

[OTHstrong]

This is rons house, you dont like the rules dont come in

[Chick]

If you look at that Greek guy, Mike K, and Branch, you see in their outlines, the same type of physique---T-Rex... But, that is where the resemblance ends. Mike is heads and shoulders better than Branch, yet Branch wins the Arnold, and with zero back detail, he looks like a fried T-Rex...but that is another deal

we cannot outrightly criticize the head of the NPC and how he has allowed the quality to dwindle in the ranks, yet his son can make comicbooks and use fitness competitors for them...who funds such projects? And can these funds be rerouted to towards other projects...
We can't criticize the powers that be on here, or Ron will be punished...

You know, when car rags where ragging on Mercedes Benz lack of quality, did Mercedes say, "we are not going to listen to you, no more test cars for you"? No, they step up their quality, offered more cars to be tested...well, the NPC/IFBB needs to step up and understand that they too can be questioned, criticized, etc.
That air of untouchability of, you can only bash or critique the competitors needs to go.

We can sit here and say Phil Heath looks bloofy but we can't say that _____ looks like Chaz Bono. We can't criticize policies or Ron gets punished---booolshit...

So, if Mike K was in the ASC this year, you would have had him as the winner?

To show you how easy it is to prove my point...I'll ask you to post YOUR top 5 at the Arnold this year:

[Parker]

So, if Mike K was in the ASC this year, you would have had him as the winner?

To show you how easy it is to prove my point...I'll ask you to post YOUR top 5 at the Arnold this year:

Ill put it to you like this, if it was a two horse race---Mike K would be in the winner's circle...Branch would made into dogfood---or glue.

To be quite honest, I was very disappointed by the 5 top at this year's Arnold...but, this not really about the contests---it's about the blatant corruption---it reads like it's right out of blaxploitation movie (you know the crooked sheriff, politician, etc), and it's done in way as to flaunt that they are all powerful...

[Chick]

Ill put it to you like this, if it was a two horse race---Mike K would be in the winner's circle...Branch would mDe into dogfood---or glue.

To be quite honest, I was very disappointed by the top at this year's Arnold...but, this not really about the contests---it's about the blatant corruption---it reads like it's right out of blaxploitation movie (you know the crooked sheriff, politician, etc), and it's done in way as to flaunt that they are all powerful...

Still waiting for YOUR top 5 from the Arnold...

[Mr. Magoo]

Still waiting for YOUR top 5 from the Arnold...

give him a few minutes to find out who competed at the Arnold

I can't remember anybody besides Branch

[Parker]

Still waiting for YOUR top 5 from the Arnold...

As much as I hate ro say it

1. Wolf
2. Dex
3. Vic
4. Rockel
5. Evan
6. Roelly or JOJ

I gave you 6 instead of 5

but, as I said this is not about Branch, The Arnold,

But about what I stated above, nor will this thread be hijacked to talk about them...it's already been beaten like the dead horse Branch is, no need to talk about it.

I want to talk about, why is it that we can have numerous threads on the Politics board discussing or criticizing the Pres, which we have a first admendment right to do so, but as soon as someone criticizes the NPC or the IFBB the threads get yanked or deleted?

[Nails]

Hi Lee Priest

[Hulkotron]

As much as I hate ro say it
1. Wolf
2. Dex
3. Vic
4. Rockel
5. Evan
6. Roelly or JOJ

I gave you 6 instead of 5

but, as I said this is not about Branch, The Arnold,

But about what I stated above, nor will this thread be hijacked to talk about them...it's already been beaten like the dead horse Branch is, no need to talk about it.

I want to talk about, why is it that we can have numerous threads on the Politics board discussing or criticizing the Pres, which we have a first admendment right to do so, but as soon as someone criticizes the NPC or the IFBB the threads get yanked or deleted?

I agree that it sucks but what would you have Ron do about it?  He doesn't make the rules.  Well he makes the rules here I guess but you know what I mean.  The rules here are the effect rather than the cause.

[nzmusclemonster]

Are you saying that Rusty Jeffers didn't spend enough time at the ice machine

[chaos]

Are you saying that Rusty Jeffers didn't spend enough time at the ice machine

I heard he spent too much time at the ice machine and missed his opportunity in room 7 right next to it.

[roccoginge]

They are wannabe gangsters, like most of the people involved in the sport.  It is deeply rooted in underground dealings.

[Mr Nobody]

Are you saying that Rusty Jeffers didn't spend enough time at the ice machine

This guy is still waiting.