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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2011, 12:06:25 PM »
Yup..he snorted the business..... :)


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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2011, 03:53:25 PM »
Angle should easily be top 10

Rey Mysterio in at 9? REALLY?

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2011, 05:05:23 AM »
The problem with this thread is that it all really depends on who should be #1.

Based on wrestling abilty - Kurt Angle

Based on the total package (wrestling ability, timing, promo cutting, the look in terms of body, crowd reaction) - Triple H.

Based on selling / drawing, charisma, popping the crowd - Hulk Hogan.

Based on innovation and the guarantee of a good exciting match - Shawn Michaels

There are so many others. Henning, Hart, etc. Back in the sixties and seventies it was bruno and Superstar Billy Graham.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2011, 06:54:25 PM »
The problem with this thread is that it all really depends on who should be #1.

Based on wrestling abilty - Kurt Angle

Based on the total package (wrestling ability, timing, promo cutting, the look in terms of body, crowd reaction) - Triple H.

Based on selling / drawing, charisma, popping the crowd - Hulk Hogan.

Based on innovation and the guarantee of a good exciting match - Shawn Michaels

There are so many others. Henning, Hart, etc. Back in the sixties and seventies it was bruno and Superstar Billy Graham.

I wouldn't say Angle had the best wrestling ability. There were others before him that paved with way like Hart, Steiner, Benoit. They all kicked ass on the mat technically.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2011, 04:23:24 AM »
I wouldn't say Angle had the best wrestling ability. There were others before him that paved with way like Hart, Steiner, Benoit. They all kicked ass on the mat technically.
Kurt Angle is highly respected both by older retired wrestlers and current talents soley based on his ability. He is that good.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2011, 07:12:22 AM »
Kurt is a big hit with EVERYONE at the Cauliflower Alley banquets.
It seems like everybody respects him.

He impressed me by making a smooth and extremely effective transition from the world of competitive grappling to make-believe fighting.
A lot of legitimate fighters/athletes have had trouble with that over the years.
They either have a difficult time grasping the concept of the entertainment end, or - like Brock - their hearts just are not into it.

Guys like Shamrock were good, but IMO, Angle was better overall.
I think he was a more complete package.
Angle also came in at a time in which management was pushing the amateur style to lend a bit more realism to the product.

Kurt ranked up there with guys like Benoit, Severn, Bret, etc., who were receiving bigger pushes mainly due to their abilities.
Guys like Hunter praised Angle for his discipline and devotion, and credited him as being a fast learner.


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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2011, 10:24:26 AM »
Hogan is the greatest pro wrestler ever.  Angle, Bret, Shawn etc.. are obviously better workers but pro wrestling is a lot more than that. Flair is probably the closest to having the total package. A great worker that also had that presence and charisma.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2011, 03:29:07 AM »
Ultimate Warrior >> Jeff Hardy so he should have been on this list!
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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2011, 03:41:50 AM »
 Flair not on the list?   ::)

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2011, 10:41:32 AM »
He is tied with Dusty at 17... Still bullshit but he's on the list.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2011, 02:18:12 PM »
I don't know how they did this...is it just time with WWE/F? If so, Harley, Dusty, Funk etc..should be lower. They are all top 20 in any all time wrestling ranking, but didn't do too much in WWF. Stupid all around.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2011, 10:20:16 AM »
Flair not on the list?   ::)

Yeah Flair, you know, the good ole boy ass kisser himself.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2011, 02:42:45 PM »
Fucked up list, no way HBK should be no.1 and Hogan 23, LOL WTF...

23 ?!?! the guy made the company in the 80's

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2011, 10:38:22 AM »
Fucked up list, no way HBK should be no.1 and Hogan 23, LOL WTF...

23 ?!?! the guy made the company in the 80's
Hogan made wrestling what it is today....period. Then Flair in second and everyone else third. Bottom line.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2011, 12:18:18 AM »
I'd have to put Shawn #1 as well. If Flair agreed to retire after losing to to him. Come on. How much respect is that? Shawn changed the game. Hogan is immortal. He's above the whole list. Untouchable. HBK was a Rocker. Didn't have it. The guy is a worker. He made us love him. Shawn brought it for like 20 years and became the best in the buisiness.

Hahaha, I think we all know Flair is never going to retire, just like Hogan he's gonna be coming back at 68 coming down the ramp on a wheelchair and getting into the ring with a walker.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2011, 02:30:43 AM »
Hahaha, I think we all know Flair is never going to retire, just like Hogan he's gonna be coming back at 68 coming down the ramp on a wheelchair and getting into the ring with a walker.


All i can think of is Freddie Blassie lol

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2011, 06:33:14 AM »
I'd have to put Shawn #1 as well. If Flair agreed to retire after losing to to him. Come on. How much respect is that? Shawn changed the game. Hogan is immortal. He's above the whole list. Untouchable. HBK was a Rocker. Didn't have it. The guy is a worker. He made us love him. Shawn brought it for like 20 years and became the best in the buisiness.


I myself am a mark for certain wrestlers from my childhood.
But, I’m also realistic, and freely admit their faults because you must not allow any mark-like devotion to blind yourself to the facts.

Below are some facts, figures, and extremely astute observations from one of wrestling’s biggest authorities regarding Shawn's big reign.
From Dave Melzer’s Wrestling Observer newsletter:

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…Michaels did a superb job in 1996...however, let’s not rewrite history to say Shawn’s reign was Hogan-like from a business standpoint, because nothing could be further from the truth. TV ratings collapsed in June of 1996 on Shawn’s watch, not Bret’s, and reached company all time lows for the rest of the year. Not just Monday night ratings due to Nitro - ratings across the board. Syndication died. Shawn’s work in the ring can’t be denied…but the buy rates fell through his reign and it was during Shawn’s reign, for the first time in a decade that WWF in both PPV and TV ratings fell to no. 2 in the U.S....Let’s not forget that there were numerous cases of Michaels throwing unprofessional hissy fits throughout his title reign in the ring.


These are not the qualities of a #1 guy.
We can debate who was number one on many levels as far as guys like Flair, Hogan, Sammartino, etc., but while Shawn was an incredible worker, he doesn't have the total package to be ranked above the aforementioned men.
The difference is in the business they drew, and the business the promotion did on their watch.

Bottom line: WWF lost money while Shawn was in the driver's seat.

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Re: Top 50 Sperstars of All Time - WWE Special
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2011, 07:45:40 PM »
flair and hogan for #1

triple H should be top 5

HBK  ::)  surely not ahead of hogan and flair














Disco Inferno #1 actually