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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #150 on: May 02, 2011, 08:41:48 PM »
years of watching fox and msnbc.  they always talked about how OBL woudl never be captured or taken alive.  We've talked about it here a lot too.  God, having a good memory is a pain sometimes.


At any rate, you believe what the tv tells you.  quick body disposal, don't worry about that.  personally, i think he capped himself.  close eye shot as opposed to getting sprayed full auto.

I'd rather believe my armed forces than some made up story you just pulled out of your ass dude... sorry.\

And who cares about taking him alive... No one in America gave a fuck about that.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #151 on: May 02, 2011, 08:43:10 PM »
Also to note, having your wife shoot you in the face does not grant you martyrdom. If he was as pious a Muslim as he claimed he was then he would have died in battle at the hands of a US soldier.

Exactly... That is just some jackass getting shot.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #152 on: May 02, 2011, 08:43:34 PM »
No... I said it's possible... Which it is...You treat the crap you whip out of your head like it's some kind of fact.

I'm saying that at the end of the day, the SEAL team said they shot the #### and I'm going to believe them over some guy 1/2 a planet away who is making shit up.


I don't claim anything as fact.  My belief is that - for history, for the victory, for world perception for hundreds of years to come - OBL shooting himself in head is not a win.  Him cowering behind a woman while super USA guy kicks down door and delivers precision shot like an eddie murphy movie?  Fcuk, yes!

Just my theory tho.  I think if we kicked down that door, he gets pinkmisted by 3 guys with 30 rounds apiece.  And I think if he wanted to shoot himself, the eye is a safe bet.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #153 on: May 02, 2011, 08:43:47 PM »
I'd rather believe my armed forces than some made up story you just pulled out of your ass dude... sorry.\

And who cares about taking him alive... No one in America gave a fuck about that.

You're right about that. It was a kill mission from the get-go. They had no intention of taking him alive.


I don't claim anything as fact.  My belief is that - for history, for the victory, for world perception for hundreds of years to come - OBL shooting himself in head is not a win.  Him cowering behind a woman while super USA guy kicks down door and delivers precision shot like an eddie murphy movie?  Fcuk, yes!

Just my theory tho.  I think if we kicked down that door, he gets pinkmisted by 3 guys with 30 rounds apiece.  And I think if he wanted to shoot himself, the eye is a safe bet.


You realize they assembled 30 of the best soldiers in this country for this mission, right? You really think they aren't capable of shooting a guy in the face in a bedroom? Please. These are guys who have been fighting inside Pakistan for years....in teams that usually number 4 or less people. Their aim is as good as it gets and they can probably shoot a guy in the face at that range with their eyes closed.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #154 on: May 02, 2011, 08:47:25 PM »
Obama Finds Praise, Even From Republicans
By JEFF ZELENY and JIM RUTENBERG

WASHINGTON — President Obama drew praise from unlikely quarters on Monday for pursuing a risky and clandestine mission to kill Osama bin Laden, a successful operation that interrupted the withering Republican criticism about his foreign policy, world view and his grasp of the office.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney declared, “The administration clearly deserves credit for the success of the operation.” New York’s former mayor, Rudolph W. Giuliani, said, “I admire the courage of the president.” And Donald J. Trump declared, “I want to personally congratulate President Obama.”

As fleeting as it might prove to be, the positive tone stood in blunt contrast to the narrative Republicans have been working to build in the opening stages of the 2012 presidential campaign.

The argument that most potential Republican candidates have been making — that Mr. Obama is an indecisive leader, incapable of handling rapidly evolving events around the world — suddenly became more complicated. And the boost in stature for Mr. Obama, even if temporary, comes when a number of Republicans are deciding whether to commit themselves to the presidential race, and offered fresh evidence that he might be less vulnerable than his opponents thought.

The development came at a good time for Mr. Obama, who received the worst foreign policy rating of his presidency in a New York Times/CBS News poll last month, with 46 percent of respondents saying they disapproved of his handling of international affairs. But the implications for the president, who will visit the World Trade Center on Thursday, were impossible to predict.

The nation’s unemployment rate remains relatively high, and the economic recovery has yet to gain traction. High gasoline prices are pinching consumer budgets and eroding confidence. Seventy percent of Americans in the Times/CBS poll last month said the country was on the wrong track, and the White House is heading into what could be a bitter fight with Republicans about spending and raising the debt limit.

But at a minimum, Mr. Obama has been dealt another high-profile opportunity to try to position himself above the bitter partisan fray and offer a voice of reasoned compromise — a theme consistent with his strategy over the past six months of shedding Republican efforts to cast him as a partisan liberal out of touch with the country’s values.

“The world is safer; it is a better place because of the death of Osama bin Laden,” Mr. Obama said Monday. “Today, we are reminded that, as a nation, there’s nothing we can’t do when we put our shoulders to the wheel, when we work together, when we remember the sense of unity that defines us as Americans.”

The terrorist attacks that Bin Laden masterminded in New York and Washington a decade ago caused a significant shift in the nation’s politics. It remained to be seen to what extent his killing — dramatic as it was — would reorder the political landscape.

The developments came at a big moment in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, with new prospective candidates like Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana facing pressure to jump in. Jon M. Huntsman Jr., a former Utah governor who just returned from two years as ambassador to China to open a presidential run, found his efforts to trumpet his foreign policy experience immediately overshadowed.

“The president deserves and will receive credit for Bin Laden being killed on his watch,” said Mike DuHaime, a Republican strategist who advised Mr. Giuliani’s 2008 presidential bid. “Like Sept. 11 and its aftermath, this is a moment that transcends politics.”

Karl Rove, the Republican strategist for President George W. Bush, said that party’s crop of presidential aspirants would be wise to not be “churlish.” But he said he did not believe Bin Laden’s death would be a deciding issue in the 2012 campaign.

“This will tend to cause a lot of people to say we got our job done,” Mr. Rove said, noting a similar reaction when Saddam Hussein was captured in 2003. “This is a moment that will require him to say, ‘Here’s what needs to be done to prevail in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Yemen, in the broader war on terror.’ ”

For Mr. Obama, the killing of Bin Laden represented a significant mark in his evolution as a national political leader, a career that has developed entirely in the decade since 9/11.

He was initially warned against seeking higher office because his name looked and sounded like Bin Laden’s. His campaign assertions that he would unilaterally act against “high-value terrorist targets” in Pakistan were met with charges of naďveté from rivals — including Hillary Rodham Clinton — for telegraphing such a move. The president’s advisers declined to discuss the political ramifications of the Bin Laden killing. But they said that they were mindful of the lessons of 1992, when the approval ratings of President George Bush rocketed after the Gulf War.

Samuel K. Skinner, the White House chief of staff at the time, remembered how Mr. Bush emerged with approval ratings of around 90 percent only to lose to Bill Clinton the following year.

“Everybody was shocked at how quickly things had dropped, precipitously,” Mr. Skinner said in an interview Monday. “Because of economic issues — and people’s perspectives of where the economy was — we were basically down south of 50 percent by October and November, and we were never able to recover.”

More recently, the bump in the polls that George W. Bush received after the capture of Saddam Hussein in 2003 evaporated within months.

In his first presidential campaign, Mr. Obama reaped considerable political benefit from his anti-Iraq war candidacy. In his second, he is hoping that he reaps the same level of benefit from his established role as a commander in chief who sent more troops to Afghanistan, authorized military strikes on Libya and signed off on the mission to kill Bin Laden.

John Ullyot, a former Marine intelligence officer who served as a Republican spokesman on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the operation was “a gutsy call because so much could have gone wrong.”

“The fact that Obama approved this mission instead of the safer option of bombing the compound was the right call militarily,” Mr. Ullyot said, “but also a real roll of the dice politically because of how quickly it could have unraveled.”

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #155 on: May 02, 2011, 08:48:01 PM »
I'd rather believe

I don't trust what anyone says here.  Only the physical evidence.  Obama is a liar, and will give us the spoonfed story.  Ask Jessica Lynch about that heroic gun battle we heard about.  What really happened?  Ask Pat tillman!

In my opinion - and I'm not holding some emotional tie to some narrative like you -

The evidence says it was a clean eye shot.  To me, that looks more like close shot.  To me, a big gun battle in middle of night with multiple guys with rilfes would be a shitload of body shots.   I know, the Jessica lynch version of "She emptied two clips" is way sexier than "She never fired a shot then went thru weeks of X X X "


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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #156 on: May 02, 2011, 08:49:20 PM »
I don't trust what anyone says here.  Only the physical evidence.  Obama is a liar, and will give us the spoonfed story.  Ask Jessica Lynch about that heroic gun battle we heard about.  What really happened?  Ask Pat tillman!

In my opinion - and I'm not holding some emotional tie to some narrative like you -

The evidence says it was a clean eye shot.  To me, that looks more like close shot.  To me, a big gun battle in middle of night with multiple guys with rilfes would be a shitload of body shots.   I know, the Jessica lynch version of "She emptied two clips" is way sexier than "She never fired a shot then went thru weeks of X X X "



How do you know they had rifles? If anything, they were probably using something like an MP5 or pistols.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #157 on: May 02, 2011, 08:49:32 PM »

I don't claim anything as fact.  My belief is that - for history, for the victory, for world perception for hundreds of years to come - OBL shooting himself in head is not a win.  Him cowering behind a woman while super USA guy kicks down door and delivers precision shot like an eddie murphy movie?  Fcuk, yes!

Just my theory tho.  I think if we kicked down that door, he gets pinkmisted by 3 guys with 30 rounds apiece.  And I think if he wanted to shoot himself, the eye is a safe bet.


If you actually believe all of this stuff you just make up, then you really are lost man.

You're right about that. It was a kill mission from the get-go. They had no intention of taking him alive.

You realize they assembled 30 of the best soldiers in this country for this mission, right? You really think they aren't capable of shooting a guy in the face in a bedroom? Please. These are guys who have been fighting inside Pakistan for years....in teams that usually number 4 or less people. Their aim is as good as it gets and they can probably shoot a guy in the face at that range with their eyes closed.


We're talking about the BEST of the BEST.

CIA ground OPS , Tier 1 guys, Navy Seals... These guys are the BEST fucking fighters on the fucking planet.

Osama Bin Laden was as dead as fried chicken the second they landed.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #158 on: May 02, 2011, 08:51:16 PM »
If you actually believe all of this stuff you just make up, then you really are lost man.

We're talking about the BEST of the BEST.

CIA ground OPS , Tier 1 guys, Navy Seals... These guys are the BEST fucking fighters on the fucking planet.

Osama Bin Laden was as dead as fried chicken the second they landed.

Exactly. It was CIA paramilitary and DEVGRU. You don't get any better than that. They are THE best fighters you will find on this planet. And there were THIRTY of them. He was fucked the second those helicopters lifted off the ground in Afghanistan.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #159 on: May 02, 2011, 08:52:27 PM »
I don't trust what anyone says here.  Only the physical evidence.  Obama is a liar, and will give us the spoonfed story.  Ask Jessica Lynch about that heroic gun battle we heard about.  What really happened?  Ask Pat tillman!

In my opinion - and I'm not holding some emotional tie to some narrative like you -

The evidence says it was a clean eye shot.  To me, that looks more like close shot.  To me, a big gun battle in middle of night with multiple guys with rilfes would be a shitload of body shots.   I know, the Jessica lynch version of "She emptied two clips" is way sexier than "She never fired a shot then went thru weeks of X X X "



This is where you are out there man... You think that because I believe what the reports say that I'm some mindless drone?

I'm telling you that Osama Bin Laden's own actions in life SHOW that he's not into being a martyr and I have no doubt that a kill team who were sent to do the job, got it done.

If it wasn't done by them... it will come out... and then you can jump up and down about how right you are... but until then, I WILL believe them (you know, since they were there) over your imagination.

I'm sure you understand why.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #160 on: May 02, 2011, 08:53:45 PM »
How do you know they had rifles? If anything, they were probably using something like an MP5 or pistols.

MP5?  9mm and 40cal available, right?  ;)


pistols?  PISTOLS??????????

Jeebus, as you serious?  YOu think they went into his bedroom with pistols.  Even including that in the sentence leaves me completely baffled.

You think they walked into a fortified 3-story house filled with terrorists, and they used a caliber that can be stopped with a $400 kevlar vest?

WTF, man?

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #161 on: May 02, 2011, 08:55:02 PM »
MP5?  9mm and 40cal available, right?  ;)


pistols?  PISTOLS??????????

Jeebus, as you serious?  YOu think they went into his bedroom with pistols.  Even including that in the sentence leaves me completely baffled.

You think they walked into a fortified 3-story house filled with terrorists, and they used a caliber that can be stopped with a $400 kevlar vest?

WTF, man?

How is it any different than you thinking they cleared a house with full-length assault rifles? Houses over there aren't like they are here. You're not maneuvering a hallway with an M4.

You're really reaching here.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #162 on: May 02, 2011, 08:56:05 PM »
How is it any different than you thinking they cleared a house with full-length assault rifles?

where did I say that?  Link?

LOL... are you taking back the pistol statement yet?  I admit it's completely an unfounded theory of a suicide via eye socket.

But are you standing by your statement about using pistols to enter OBL's bedroom?  :)

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #163 on: May 02, 2011, 08:57:54 PM »
MP5?  9mm and 40cal available, right?  ;)


pistols?  PISTOLS??????????

Jeebus, as you serious?  YOu think they went into his bedroom with pistols.  Even including that in the sentence leaves me completely baffled.

You think they walked into a fortified 3-story house filled with terrorists, and they used a caliber that can be stopped with a $400 kevlar vest?

WTF, man?

Well, the CIA ground ops DO use MP5s... They are trained for the close quarters... Maybe even MP7s.

The Seals were most likely using M4s or something similar...

They actually do quite a bit of close work with Glock17, the Sig 226, and the Beretta M9

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #164 on: May 02, 2011, 08:58:26 PM »
where did I say that?  Link?

LOL... are you taking back the pistol statement yet?  I admit it's completely an unfounded theory of a suicide via eye socket.

But are you standing by your statement about using pistols to enter OBL's bedroom?  :)

I wasn't there so I can't stand by anything. Unfortunately, I'm not a member of DEVGRU or SAD. Still, my claim has just as much weight as yours.  :D

LOL @ you thinking all 30 guys were using the same weapon, though.


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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #165 on: May 02, 2011, 09:05:49 PM »
LOL @ you thinking all 30 guys were using the same weapon, though.

Link to where I said that?  Nope!

I'm saying the breach team going in his door will have rifles.  Or mayyybe shottys.  Fucking period.  They might be up against a damn army in there.  They might be up against vests or walls or anything else.  

"Grab your glock and run into that room, private!"  LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look, we only have the official story of what is the biggest military event in 10 years.  IF we had entered and found OBL dead already, it's not impossible we'd paint it as different.  Give the hero single shot soldier the credit, as OBL hides behind a woman.

Sorry, the story just sounded too perfect to me.  If he was riddled with 40 rounds, I'd believe it.  If he wasn't "Cowering behind a woman", I'd believe it.


The story is just too perfect.  Just like the Lynch or Tillman stories - and this one matter 100 times more!

So yeah, completely unfounded... but the body getting dumped so fast... makes me think exit wound size and location is something we don't want getting out...

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #166 on: May 02, 2011, 09:07:09 PM »
Link to where I said that?  Nope!

I'm saying the breach team going in his door will have rifles.  Or mayyybe shottys.  Fucking period.  They might be up against a damn army in there.  They might be up against vests or walls or anything else.  

"Grab your glock and run into that room, private!"  LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look, we only have the official story of what is the biggest military event in 10 years.  IF we had entered and found OBL dead already, it's not impossible we'd paint it as different.  Give the hero single shot soldier the credit, as OBL hides behind a woman.

Sorry, the story just sounded too perfect to me.  If he was riddled with 40 rounds, I'd believe it.  If he wasn't "Cowering behind a woman", I'd believe it.


The story is just too perfect.  Just like the Lunch or Tillman stories - and this one matter 100 times more!

So yeah, completely unfounded... but the body getting dumped so fast... makes me think exit wound size and location is something we don't want getting out...

Who the fuck said it was the breach team that killed him? Fact of the matter is that none of us know shit about how it went down and you're pulling completely unfounded theories right out of your ass. That's all there is to it.

Can you even put anyone in the bedroom with him? Because I surely can't.  ::)

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #167 on: May 02, 2011, 09:07:54 PM »
Who the fuck said it was the breach team that killed him?

breach team being the ones who "breached" his bedroom door.


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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #168 on: May 02, 2011, 09:08:37 PM »
breach team being the ones who "breached" his bedroom door.



I'm fully aware of what you meant by it. Again, can you confirm that the first people in the room were the ones who killed him? Can you even put another person in the room with him? I've yet to read anything that says there was another person in the room with him.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #169 on: May 02, 2011, 09:17:02 PM »
Again, can you confirm that the first people in the room were the ones who killed him?

???

Are you introducing the possibility that some US military entered the bedroom but didn't shoot bin laden?  Were there tea and crumpets involved in this time-out?  Or were they loading their 9 mm at the time?

LOL... we're on the same side here, glad he's history.  i don't see a CT here - but I am completely cognizant of the fact that no matter how it went down, Obama was going to paint a perfect rosy picture.   And after reading Tillman was killed shady by his own team, and Lynch never fired a round but endured brutal rape - and we were sold complete bullshit from the top leaders in our country - I'm not buying this storybook ending.

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« Reply #170 on: May 02, 2011, 09:22:00 PM »
Bin Laden used wife as human shield: US official

Source: AFP

(AFP) – 47 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — Al-Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden used one of his wives as a human shield in an apparent attempt to try to save his own life during a raid by US covert forces, a top US official said Monday.

"There was family at that compound, and there was a female who was, in fact, in the line of fire that reportedly was used as a shield to shield bin Laden from the incoming fire," counter-terrorism official John Brennan said.

Pressed on reports the woman shot dead by Navy SEALs during a firefight at a compound in Abbottabad in Pakistan was one of bin Laden's four wives, Brennan told a White House briefing: "That's my understanding."

Brennan said it was not entirely clear "whether or not bin Laden or the son or whatever put her there or she put herself there" or whether the Al-Qaeda chief himself fired rounds during the exchange.

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #171 on: May 02, 2011, 09:29:37 PM »
Wow, an autopsy was a legal requirement for such a shooting?

I guess we didn't want any notes on that exit wound, huh? 

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #172 on: May 02, 2011, 09:31:56 PM »
Wow, an autopsy was a legal requirement for such a shooting?

I guess we didn't want any notes on that exit wound, huh? 

Do you have any concept of how idiotic you sound when you say shit like that?

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Re: Still think Obama is a one term president????
« Reply #173 on: May 02, 2011, 09:34:55 PM »
Do you have any concept of how idiotic you sound when you say shit like that?

personal insult instead of addressing my point?

Why didn't they do an autopsy on him? 

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« Reply #174 on: May 02, 2011, 09:37:38 PM »
personal insult instead of addressing my point?

Why didn't they do an autopsy on him? 

No... you really just sound like an idiot when everything you say is some CT based bullshit.

Maybe they DID do an autopsy... They've had the body for almost a week they say right?

Enough to do DNA analysis... Why do you say they didn't? It seems to me that DNA analysis (as they are reporting) is usually a PART of an autopsy.