J-rod 11 weeks out of team universe

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

What in the hell did that rambling diatribe have to do with natural BB?

FYI, I already know I am kinda chunky , over 50 trying to slim down.
I can look in a mirror and see that.

Thats not the problem.

The problem is that you are a delusional cu nt who's desperately holding on to the "drugs are only 5%" bullshit. Time to see the light like the rest of us and face it that BB is all drugs and full of lies.

Team gh15, fuck all this crap.

[gh15]

What in the hell did that rambling diatribe have to do with natural BB?

FYI, I already know I am kinda chunky , over 50 trying to slim down.
I can look in a mirror and see that.

how about discussing the possibility of hward to compete then for another 20 years in the 70s masters show? since you been debating it for about 3 years now why nto another few years,,just fuckin do it and stop listneing to the fucktards over on other boardings that play with your innocence,,every week i get someone pm me telling me did you see howard say this and that on other board like im your mom,,im tired of this

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[Howard]

look like zane in 6 months?! wtf?

I dont see many people walking around that look like zane

Bingo ! That is because most think it is all about body fat% and body wt.
You can take  a 100 dedicated gym rats  around 5'9" and have them train ,diet hard and use some  juice .
Have them all weigh in around 180-195 lbs at under 5%.
Very few if any will look anything like Zane in Olympia winning form.

[Schmoe Buster]

Bingo ! That is because most think it is all about body fat% and body wt.
You can take  a 100 dedicated gym rats  around 5'9" and have them train ,diet hard and use some  juice .
Have them all weigh in around 180-195 lbs at under 5%.
Very few if any will look anything like Zane in Olympia winning form.

As long as they dont look like you im sure they will be happy, you bitch

[Jack T. Cross]

I'm 5'6, and I was 160 lbs at 6% bf on stage.  I have never even seen steroids or any other performance enhancing drug in my life.  

Where are the pics?

[OptimusPrime1980]

Bingo ! That is because most think it is all about body fat% and body wt.
You can take  a 100 dedicated gym rats  around 5'9" and have them train ,diet hard and use some  juice .
Have them all weigh in around 180-195 lbs at under 5%.
Very few if any will look anything like Zane in Olympia winning form.

no offcourse not, not shape and conditioning wise....
but mass wise.. as in mass to height ratio .. it can be done..

[gh15]

I'm 5'6, and I was 160 lbs at 6% bf on stage.  I have never even seen steroids or any other performance enhancing drug in my life.  Strongest thing I ever tried once was Ephedrine when it was still legal, and never took it again because it kept me up all night.

I won my very first natural bb competition, my weight class anyway.  Passed my very first polygraph test before the show and because I won, I had to do a urinalysis test too, which I passed too.  The following year, I won my second competition.

This is why I believe JRod is natural and why I think you are mistaken in your so called limits for naturals.

ummm...from expericne myfriend

5'6 can be 5'7.... and 160 can be 156.... yes 5'6 can be 150lb on stage atound 6 % ,,,5'6 160 TRUE 6% = 5'10 188LB 6% ,,THIS IS NOT ACHIEVABLE WITH OUT HORMONES TO SOME DEGREE,,

usually the cycle that will giv eou 188lb at 5'10 6% on stage is prop and trenbolona ace... if you are in your 20s just that if over 30 you will need gh to bring bodyfat down to begin with and then get on prop and trenbolona ace inorder to end up on stage 188 lb AFTER carb up  at 5-6%


so 160lb 5'6 is not possible natrually

then again prop and fina are considered natural in today world,,those bodybuilders who do the cut stuck 3 times a week ..they all condiered natural ,,they also look the best usualy ...tight waist wide delts and ripped and thick to a good level...those ae the ones who never get asked about hormones because the stupid people around think its all hard work....

read this another 100 times then refelct in your mind...then if you got qwuestions ill respond

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[OptimusPrime1980]

Where are the pics?

lol! my buddy is a former world champ and did the masters last year in hamburg.
he is 1,60 meter in height and was 72 kilo on stage..... he placed 5th at the mr universe masters...
he was on:
hgh 2 iu's a day
test prop 100 mg eod
tren 50 mg eod
some primo
nolvadex
little igf1
you should go on a cycle , you would place well there man!
your numbers match his , and you are natural!!!!  

[saucetradomous]

ummm...from expericne myfriend

5'6 can be 5'7.... and 160 can be 156.... yes 5'6 can be 150lb on stage atound 6 % ,,,5'6 160 TRUE 6% = 5'10 188LB 6% ,,THIS IS NOT ACHIEVABLE WITH OUT HORMONES TO SOME DEGREE,,

usually the cycle that will giv eou 188lb at 5'10 6% on stage is prop and trenbolona ace... if you are in your 20s just that if over 30 you will need gh to bring bodyfat down to begin with and then get on prop and trenbolona ace inorder to end up on stage 188 lb AFTER carb up  at 5-6%


so 160lb 5'6 is not possible natrually

then again prop and fina are considered natural in today world,,those bodybuilders who do the cut stuck 3 times a week ..they all condiered natural ,,they also look the best usualy ...tight waist wide delts and ripped and thick to a good level...those ae the ones who never get asked about hormones because the stupid people around think its all hard work....

read this another 100 times then refelct in your mind...then if you got qwuestions ill respond

gh15 approved

I wouldn't take natural training advice or philosophy from someone who says they could never step into a gym without drugs

[loco]

ummm...from expericne myfriend

5'6 can be 5'7.... and 160 can be 156.... yes 5'6 can be 150lb on stage atound 6 % ,,,5'6 160 TRUE 6% = 5'10 188LB 6% ,,THIS IS NOT ACHIEVABLE WITH OUT HORMONES TO SOME DEGREE,,

usually the cycle that will giv eou 188lb at 5'10 6% on stage is prop and trenbolona ace... if you are in your 20s just that if over 30 you will need gh to bring bodyfat down to begin with and then get on prop and trenbolona ace inorder to end up on stage 188 lb AFTER carb up  at 5-6%


so 160lb 5'6 is not possible natrually

then again prop and fina are considered natural in today world,,those bodybuilders who do the cut stuck 3 times a week ..they all condiered natural ,,they also look the best usualy ...tight waist wide delts and ripped and thick to a good level...those ae the ones who never get asked about hormones because the stupid people around think its all hard work....

read this another 100 times then refelct in your mind...then if you got qwuestions ill respond

gh15 approved

From my experience, my own personal experience, 160lbs at 5'6 is very much possible.  I did it, and I didn't even know it was such a big deal until I bumped into this funny thread.  

[gh15]

i trained some indonisian fella ,,not ade ,,back in the day ,,he was 5'7 156lb offseason 147lb on stage,,he looked better than many hormonized fellas that were 190lb on stage and 240 lb offseason,,he was true natural ....

but again you see the number 5'7777777 147lb on stage 5-6%.... it took him wquite a while to get there too....he ws competing 136 before and then 142 and only later he ended up competing 147 : )

147 5'7 SHREDDED

NOW THIS ! IS natural

oh and he had small joints ,,best frame you can imagine,,wide ...tight waist...huge muscle bellies,,yep his 15.5 inch arms looked huge on his 150lb bod....his abs looked phenominal ,,he had the piano kys ,,

but! it was true natural ,,true frank zane condition only .....

all together now friend....


30-40 lb lighter...


the megic addition of steroids ..only aas,,to a physiqe is 20-30lb of muscle ,,pure lean muscle size....this is where steroid user differ from natural ,,,so.....fellas like rodri ..would be 150-155lb on stage at 5'8 truly natural which  which is very very good,,he does remind me that indonisian fella named boika..he does...looked very much the same muscle tone only rodri is much whiter skin tone,,,but very similar in muscle shape...both give bgi illusion only one is natural at 147...one is hormonized at 175....

175 - 147 =?  mmmmmmmmmmmm

20-30 lb right?

kepeesh?


good

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[gh15]

I wouldn't take natural training advice or philosophy from someone who says they could never step into a gym without drugs

noen of us will,,we will step in the gym for 2-4 weeks with out it ,,then week 5 we drop ,,everything drop ....the mood ,,we become depressed,,we become much much weaker,,we lose muscle mass in extreme rate ....all happen at the 30-40 day mark...it is very noticaqble past day 60 ...you look like shadow of yourself...so we wear huge shirts to cover it ,,,but the bodybuilder who know you and you cant tell balonie too know whats up and will tell you that to your face especialy when they see you with no shirt...

thats just how it is,,we dont train with out hormones in blood,,and if we do its when the hormone is stil in blood and wait for something else to come

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[saucetradomous]

i trained some indonisian fella ,,not ade ,,back in the day ,,he was 5'7 156lb offseason 147lb on stage,,he looked better than many hormonized fellas that were 190lb on stage and 240 lb offseason,,he was true natural ....

but again you see the number 5'7777777 147lb on stage 5-6%.... it took him wquite a while to get there too....he ws competing 136 before and then 142 and only later he ended up competing 147 : )

147 5'7 SHREDDED

NOW THIS ! IS natural

oh and he had small joints ,,best frame you can imagine,,wide ...tight waist...huge muscle bellies,,yep his 15.5 inch arms looked huge on his 150lb bod....his abs looked phenominal ,,he had the piano kys ,,

but! it was true natural ,,true frank zane condition only .....

all together now friend....


30-40 lb lighter...


the megic addition of steroids ..only aas,,to a physiqe is 20-30lb of muscle ,,pure lean muscle size....this is where steroid user differ from natural ,,,so.....fellas like rodri ..would be 150-155lb on stage at 5'8 truly natural which  which is very very good,,he does remind me that indonisian fella named boika..he does...looked very much the same muscle tone only rodri is much whiter skin tone,,,but very similar in muscle shape...both give bgi illusion only one is natural at 147...one is hormonized at 175....

175 - 147 =?  mmmmmmmmmmmm

20-30 lb right?

kepeesh?


good

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Oh, it all makes sense now.  This one fella you trained must have been in the upper echelon of genetics too.  

[gh15]

also before i need to go eat,,ill esplain you another thing...

when you sit at 6% bodyfat,,you lose muscle so easily ,,,if you dont eat in the right time,,even with hormones....you do not get optimal conditon and growth ,,,when you are 6% you are very very fragile especialy with no hormones,,but even with hormones....its easy to maintain it with hormones but still if you dont eat YOU FEEL IT ,,at 6% the body changes by the hour...try to be 6% and not eat 4 hours...you will see what it feel like and later on you will see what it look like ,,the body doenst like to be 6% ,,its not where it wants to be,,

thats why when all tell me about natural 6% at weight and sizes of 18 inch arms naturaly and 190 6% shreded...im laughin ,,because the body ,,human body doesnt want to be there and keep the muscle naturaly ,,first think it get rid off is the lean muscle,,what prevent it from doing so is the hormones....btu if not eat on time it messes with you bgi time especialy with your head,,even when on hormones!

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[loco]

i trained some indonisian fella ,,not ade ,,back in the day ,,he was 5'7 156lb offseason 147lb on stage,,he looked better than many hormonized fellas that were 190lb on stage and 240 lb offseason,,he was true natural ....

but again you see the number 5'7777777 147lb on stage 5-6%.... it took him wquite a while to get there too....he ws competing 136 before and then 142 and only later he ended up competing 147 : )

147 5'7 SHREDDED

NOW THIS ! IS natural

oh and he had small joints ,,best frame you can imagine,,wide ...tight waist...huge muscle bellies,,yep his 15.5 inch arms looked huge on his 150lb bod....his abs looked phenominal ,,he had the piano kys ,,

but! it was true natural ,,true frank zane condition only .....

all together now friend....


30-40 lb lighter...


the megic addition of steroids ..only aas,,to a physiqe is 20-30lb of muscle ,,pure lean muscle size....this is where steroid user differ from natural ,,,so.....fellas like rodri ..would be 150-155lb on stage at 5'8 truly natural which  which is very very good,,he does remind me that indonisian fella named boika..he does...looked very much the same muscle tone only rodri is much whiter skin tone,,,but very similar in muscle shape...both give bgi illusion only one is natural at 147...one is hormonized at 175....

175 - 147 =?  mmmmmmmmmmmm

20-30 lb right?

kepeesh?


good

gh15 approved

It was 18 years of lifting before I did my first contest diet and prep.  It took me 4 months to get my body fat down to 6%.

[gh15]

Oh, it all makes sense now.  This one fella you trained must have been in the upper echelon of genetics too.  

he was,,best genetics i have tackled in many years,,pull illusion of 40 lb was 156 off season and mistaken for 185-190...very very few are like that ,,,very! few!

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[gh15]

you know exactly what im talking about type of fellas,,pin head,,,tiny bones,,tiny fingers...tiny wrists ,,huge muscle bellies,,big rib cage ,,tiny 27 inch waist... not many around like this,,

so im tellin you the numbers of the most talenteed naturals,,coudnt even hit 150lb on stage at 5'7 lol

sad but true

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[Coach is Back!]

If gh15 thinks that 5'6 160 at 6% is impossible with gear obviously has know clue about training, diet or committment. I'll admit I've been trying to figure gh15 out, not about who is, I could careless about that but more about where he comes up with some of this crap. I've came to the conclusion that a lot of what he says is common knowledge, some of it is a guess and the rest is flatout bullshit. Not eveything he says is wrong, I never made that accusation. But when comes up with BS like "you can't be 5'6 at 6% is impossible without gear" is naïve at best.

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

If gh15 thinks that 5'6 160 at 6% is impossible with gear obviously has know clue about training, diet or committment. I'll admit I've been trying to figure gh15 out, not about who is, I could careless about that but more about where he comes up with some of this crap. I've came to the conclusion that a lot of what he says is common knowledge, some of it is a guess and the rest is flatout bullshit. Not eveything he says is wrong, I never made that accusation. But when comes up with BS like "you can't be 5'6 at 6% is impossible without gear" is naïve at best.

You obviously care waaaay too much. 

[saucetradomous]

noen of us will,,we will step in the gym for 2-4 weeks with out it ,,then week 5 we drop ,,everything drop ....the mood ,,we become depressed,,we become much much weaker,,we lose muscle mass in extreme rate ....all happen at the 30-40 day mark...it is very noticaqble past day 60 ...you look like shadow of yourself...so we wear huge shirts to cover it ,,,but the bodybuilder who know you and you cant tell balonie too know whats up and will tell you that to your face especialy when they see you with no shirt...

thats just how it is,,we dont train with out hormones in blood,,and if we do its when the hormone is stil in blood and wait for something else to come

gh15 approved

thanks for proving my point

[gh15]

If gh15 thinks that 5'6 160 at 6% is impossible with gear obviously has know clue about training, diet or committment. I'll admit I've been trying to figure gh15 out, not about who is, I could careless about that but more about where he comes up with some of this crap. I've came to the conclusion that a lot of what he says is common knowledge, some of it is a guess and the rest is flatout bullshit. Not eveything he says is wrong, I never made that accusation. But when comes up with BS like "you can't be 5'6 at 6% is impossible without gear" is naïve at best.

you are the best example that one can not!

you have subpar physiqe that naturaly coudnt even be 150 at 6% ,,you know it ,,i know it,,everyone else knows it!

you were very hormonized in your past,,you used exactly what arnold and rest used and it was legal and easy to get in americnaa ...no one knew right mr trainer? mexicana stuff was so easy to get ,,all legit all boom to your ass ...yet you coudnt get anywhere...

what does say about you? you tell them what does it say about you

i will tel them insted of you not that they dont know but i will,,

it says you are frastrated bodybuilder that wanted to achieve greatness and couldnt do nothing but wear the filthy posin truncks of a former champ,,you faileed in bodybuild eventhough from young age you used everything,,

ofcourse you cant be 160 6% 5'8 you can be close not not quite there....you have a clue mr trainer but the problem is you lie,,you really realy lie ,,

then again for a 50 something year old to even hav ethe time of day to respond on internet...says alot about his life,,remember i already done my money...and do it for every minute i am on internet....you just waste your life away after failing your bodybuild dream

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[Howard]

also before i need to go eat,,ill esplain you another thing...

when you sit at 6% bodyfat,,you lose muscle so easily ,,,if you dont eat in the right time,,even with hormones....you do not get optimal conditon and growth ,,,when you are 6% you are very very fragile especialy with no hormones,,but even with hormones....its easy to maintain it with hormones but still if you dont eat YOU FEEL IT ,,at 6% the body changes by the hour...try to be 6% and not eat 4 hours...you will see what it feel like and later on you will see what it look like ,,the body doenst like to be 6% ,,its not where it wants to be,,

thats why when all tell me about natural 6% at weight and sizes of 18 inch arms naturaly and 190 6% shreded...im laughin ,,because the body ,,human body doesnt want to be there and keep the muscle naturaly ,,first think it get rid off is the lean muscle,,what prevent it from doing so is the hormones....btu if not eat on time it messes with you bgi time especialy with your head,,even when on hormones!

gh15 approved

No question that a big, very  lean ,natural bodybuilder is the top few % and gifted.
BUT it is possible.
There are only a few pitchers under 6 ft ( 178 cm) that can throw close to 100 mph, BUT I have seen a few who can.

[Jack T. Cross]

I'm 5'6, and I was 160 lbs at 6% bf on stage.  I have never even seen steroids or any other performance enhancing drug in my life.

Where are the pics?

[Coach is Back!]

I was using exactly what Arnold used? More proof you're a tool. I was all of 17 when Arnold competed LAST, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to. Think before you post, you're making an ass of yourself!

[loco]

Where are the pics?

No homo?