Gorilla Protein: Reason Why Gorillas Are So Huge Despite Eating Little Protein.

[suckmymuscle]

  Because the bodyybuilding media has lied about protein needs. Even growing babies, which are building not merely new muscle tissue but also organ tissue and connective tissue, all of which require protein, do that on mother's milk which is about only 1% of protein per weight! Sure, very high quality protein, but it still composes only about 1% to 4% of their total caloric intake. Most of the scientific papers I've read suggest that Humans need only 0.25 to 0.3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for nitrogen retention. And these studies were done with severe burn victims who need more protein than average people. The argument that bodybuilders need more because they are building muscle is ridiculous because the amount of muscle build on a daily basis is very small. It's not like you're gaining several pounds of new tissue per week like a baby, and babies do that with a diet of only 1-4% protein! This website is right on the money....

 http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA

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[Matt C]

I'm beginning to think that genetics is the biggest component.  Pros can handle the gear necessary to grow as much as they do.  And response to gear is genetic.  Response to gear, structure, muscle attachment sites, etc, are all genetic.  

Is Ronnie really out there doing anything fancy to maintain his size?  My guess is that he just eats more or less like a normal person with an extra shake or two thrown in and trains for fun.

I think we all have a friend or two who maintains pretty good size and seemingly follows no special diet at all but know other friends who follow bodybuilding rules to the letter with exactly X grams of protein per day [based on body weight] and yet don't have much size.  I think if you follow the big picture by training hard and eating right you will grow as your genetics allow.  Following the exact details to the letter I'm not sure make much of a difference unless you are literally weeks or days out from a show when little details start to matter a lot more.

[The Grim Lifter]

While i have eaten as well as i could for many years, i think training hard and letting the body recover and overcompensate from that training are more important. Eating better can help speed that up and also dictate how lean you will stay.

[asbrus]

 Because the bodyybuilding media has lied about protein needs. Even growing babies, which are building not merely new muscle tissue but also organ tissue and connective tissue, all of which require protein, do that on mother's milk which is about only 1% of protein per weight! Sure, very high quality protein, but it still composes only about 1% to 4% of their total caloric intake. Most of the scientific papers I've read suggest that Humans need only 0.25 to 0.3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for nitrogen retention. And these studies were done with severe burn victims who need more protein than average people. The argument that bodybuilders need more because they are building muscle is ridiculous because the amount of muscle build on a daily basis is very small. It's not like you're gaining several pounds of new tissue per week like a baby, and babies do that with a diet of only 1-4% protein! This website is right on the money....

 http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA

SUCKMYMUSCLE

UMM BABIES WEIGH LIKE 1-2 LBS AFTER A C0UPLE M0NTHS.  A CUP 0F MILK HAS AB0UT 10 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

In high school, I was good friends with this poor black dude with insane genetics (Kenny).  I worked out with my older brother, who was an NPC competitor who eventually competed at Nationals as a light heavy.
My friend asked my brother if he would help train him, as my friend had no clue what to do (he was similar to those ghetto dudes you see on Youtube doing dips and pullups).  My brother started my friend out by having him actually train legs, lol.  Kenny started to blow up, and this is without roids.  My brother kept telling Kenny to get more protein in his diet, and Kenny said he couldn't afford protein powder, and his parents wouldn't by him any. 
Kenny devised his own plan and started eating pasta with natural peanut butter mixed in, and would eat about 1/2 pound per sitting.  He grew like a weed, but got a little fat.  He started substituting cans of tuna and whole eggs for some of his meals and he leaned out. 
Unfortunately, with his size, he got recruited to bounce at an inner city club, where he made money, and he bought steroids.  He nearly dropped out of high school, because he started using recs almost as soon as he started with juice.  It all went to his head.
But I know when he started using, and that dude grew like a weed on pasta and natural peanut butter.  His mother made him eat sweet potatoes and collards, as she thought he didn't get enough vegetables.
Looking back, that was a pretty damned good diet to grow/flourish on. 

Pasta with peanut butter ? That's a new one for me ! LOL ! Don't knock it till ya try it, I guess ! LOL !

[JP_RC]

I think you're right that little protein is needed specifically for muscle building/repairing and nitrogen retention. On another hand, I think I read somewhere that the amount needed to stimulate protein synthesis is more than the small amounts recommended by those scientific papers you read. The thing is those studies only take nitrogen retention in consideration, but they don't protein synthesis. And I think that protein synthesis is also important in muscle growth... or maybe is another made up term by the bb media to promote higher protein intakes....who knows. Some people also claim they've made more progress by upping their protein, but maybe it had nothing to do with the protein itself..just the increase in calories. Overall, who knows what the truth is...the only thing I can say is guys on gear need a lot more than naturals.
I personally hate eating too much protein, so my intake isn't that high, but its still more than the 0.25-0.3 gr/lb recommendation.

[dj181]

While i have eaten as well as i could for many years, i think training hard and letting the body recover and overcompensate from that training are more important. Eating better can help speed that up and also dictate how lean you will stay.

Great post

[OneMoreRep]

Pasta with peanut butter ? That's a new one for me ! LOL ! Don't knock it till ya try it, I guess ! LOL !

Many inner-city black youths eat that.  They also eat noodles with mayonnaise, rice with ketchup and chicken noodle soup with a coke on the side.

Growing up in the inner city exposed me to many hidden recipes for GOOD food.

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[mass243]

UMM BABIES WEIGH LIKE 1-2 LBS AFTER A C0UPLE M0NTHS.  A CUP 0F MILK HAS AB0UT 10 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN.

Haha, WTF?

1-2 pounds? Haha, babies definitely are small but they must weigh more than 1-2 lbs...  



BTW, I remember from somewhere that babies gain 20-30 grams of bodyweight per day and many centimeters in height  per month 
If only we could keep gaining like babies 

[Hulkotron]

Haha, WTF?

1-2 pounds? Haha, babies definitely are small but they must weigh more than 1-2 lbs...  



BTW, I remember from somewhere that babies gain 20-30 grams of bodyweight per day and many centimeters in height  per month 
If only we could keep gaining like babies 

I don't know how much newborn gorillas weigh but I would guess 3-4 lbs.

[Natural Man]

I think you're right that little protein is needed specifically for muscle building/repairing and nitrogen retention. On another hand, I think I read somewhere that the amount needed to stimulate protein synthesis is more than the small amounts recommended by those scientific papers you read. The thing is those studies only take nitrogen retention in consideration, but they don't protein synthesis. And I think that protein synthesis is also important in muscle growth... or maybe is another made up term by the bb media to promote higher protein intakes....who knows. Some people also claim they've made more progress by upping their protein, but maybe it had nothing to do with the protein itself..just the increase in calories. Overall, who knows what the truth is...the only thing I can say is guys on gear need a lot more than naturals.
I personally hate eating too much protein, so my intake isn't that high, but its still more than the 0.25-0.3 gr/lb recommendation.

you re saying that basically you and your brother ruined the life of someone else lol. Interesting to see how people evolve depending of various conditionnings tho, great read.

[whataname]

growing up from a baby to an andult is natural and is stimulated by natural hormones. On the other hand building extra muscle is AGAINST the will of the body, so you need training and extra protein for that. As I heard...

[funk51]

i heard if you eat gorilla balls it'll make ya more manly.

[suckmymuscle]

I think you're right that little protein is needed specifically for muscle building/repairing and nitrogen retention. On another hand, I think I read somewhere that the amount needed to stimulate protein synthesis is more than the small amounts recommended by those scientific papers you read. The thing is those studies only take nitrogen retention in consideration, but they don't protein synthesis. And I think that protein synthesis is also important in muscle growth... or maybe is another made up term by the bb media to promote higher protein intakes....who knows. Some people also claim they've made more progress by upping their protein, but maybe it had nothing to do with the protein itself..just the increase in calories. Overall, who knows what the truth is...the only thing I can say is guys on gear need a lot more than naturals.
I personally hate eating too much protein, so my intake isn't that high, but its still more than the 0.25-0.3 gr/lb recommendation.

  A growing baby adds new muscle, organ and connective tissue by synthesizing more protein. This dismisses outright your claim that the protein intake I recommend is only good enough for nitrogen retention but not for muscle growth.

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[JP_RC]

 A growing baby adds new muscle, organ and connective tissue by synthesizing more protein. This dismisses outright your claim that the protein intake I recommend is only good enough for nitrogen retention but not for muscle growth.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

What about the stimulation of protein synthesis? That's important so I've heard.

[suckmymuscle]

What about the stimulation of protein synthesis? That's important so I've heard.

  Rate of protein synthesis is regulated by genes. Testosterone and other steroids increase the synthesis of new muscle tissue by activating gene pathways involved in muscle growth. Unless you can provide evidence that eating more protein will tell your genes to order your muscles to make more muscle tissue, then there is no logic in a greater protein consumption increasing protein synthesis.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[JP_RC]

 Rate of protein synthesis is regulated by genes. Testosterone and other steroids increase the synthesis of new muscle tissue by activating gene pathways involved in muscle growth. Unless you can provide evidence that eating more protein will tell your genes to order your muscles to make more muscle tissue, then there is no logic in a greater protein consumption increasing protein synthesis.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

What you're saying makes sense here, but I've read that leucine helps stimulate protein synthesis. Also, that a certain amount of this amino acid must be consumed to optimally stimulate protein synthesis and obviously that comes from eating a certain amount of protein.

For example:

http://www.efdeportes.com/efd131/leucine-stimulates-mtor-and-muscle-protein-synthesis.htm

Obviously it may all be a bunch of crap info..I mean, the rate of protein synthesis stimulation from leucine may not be significant enough to aid in muscle growth..at least not in the degree of AAS and other drugs. I'm just putting it out there to provide another point of view.

[Palpatine Q]

I'm beginning to think that genetics is the biggest component.  Pros can handle the gear necessary to grow as much as they do.  And response to gear is genetic.  Response to gear, structure, muscle attachment sites, etc, are all genetic.  

Is Ronnie really out there doing anything fancy to maintain his size?  My guess is that he just eats more or less like a normal person with an extra shake or two thrown in and trains for fun.

I think we all have a friend or two who maintains pretty good size and seemingly follows no special diet at all but know other friends who follow bodybuilding rules to the letter with exactly X grams of protein per day [based on body weight] and yet don't have much size.  I think if you follow the big picture by training hard and eating right you will grow as your genetics allow.  Following the exact details to the letter I'm not sure make much of a difference unless you are literally weeks or days out from a show when little details start to matter a lot more.

I'm a walking example of this...I'm 250 at 12% and eating Oreos as i type this.....Superior is superior

[asbrus]

  Rate of protein synthesis is regulated by genes. Testosterone and other steroids increase the synthesis of new muscle tissue by activating gene pathways involved in muscle growth. Unless you can provide evidence that eating more protein will tell your genes to order your muscles to make more muscle tissue, then there is no logic in a greater protein consumption increasing protein synthesis.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Y0U CAN'T BUILD MUSCLE WITH0UT EATING EN0UGH PR0TEIN.

[Griffith]

In my own experience high calories of relatively healthy food has worked best.
Doesn't really matter how much protein is in it.

But I think when dieting, high protein is needed to maintain the muscle. Though to build, it's just good calories.

[suckmymuscle]

Y0U CAN'T BUILD MUSCLE WITH0UT EATING EN0UGH PR0TEIN.

  I never claimed you can. What I am claiming is that much less protein is needed for muscle growth than what the muscle magazines claim, evident by the fact that Human babies and gorillas build a lot of muscle(and also organs and connective tissue) on a diet that is only 1 to 4% protein.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[mass243]

  I never claimed you can. What I am claiming is that much less protein is needed for muscle growth than what the muscle magazines claim, evident by the fact that Human babies and gorillas build a lot of muscle(and also organs and connective tissue) on a diet that is only 1 to 4% protein.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yea, as long as you get enough calories from carbs and fats...

[asbrus]

 I never claimed you can. What I am claiming is that much less protein is needed for muscle growth than what the muscle magazines claim, evident by the fact that Human babies and gorillas build a lot of muscle(and also organs and connective tissue) on a diet that is only 1 to 4% protein.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

1. FIRST 0F ALL WE ARE N0T G0RILLAS. G0RILLAS HAVE ENZYMES THAT HUMANS D0 N0T. G0RILLAS ARE VEGETERIANS AND CAN EAT RAW PLANTS AND DIGEST THEM. HUMANS CANN0T AND A BABY'S NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN AN ADULTS. G0RILLAS ARE NATURALLY STR0NGER THAN HUMANS.ALS0 WHERE D0 Y0U GET THIS N0TI0N THAT BABIES GR0W 0N LITTLE PR0TEIN. 0BVI0USLY A BABY GET LESS PR0TEIN THAN AN ADULT BECAUSE THEY WEIGH LESS S0 THEY NEED LESS PR0TEIN IN PR0P0RTI0N T0 THEIR B0DY WEIGHT.

2. THE STUDY HAS ALREADY BEEN D0NE BY PETER LEM0N THE W0RLD'S LEADING RESEARCHER 0N PR0TEIN AND THE M0ST THE B0DY CAN SYNTHESIZE IS 0NE GRAM PER LB 0F LEAN MUSCLE MASS. ALS0 AMIN0 ACIDS D0 INCREASE PR0TEIN SYNTHESIS.

[asbrus]

Yea, as long as you get enough calories from carbs and fats...

N0 Y0U WILL L0SE MUSCLE MASS IF Y0U GET 1 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN 0UT 0F Y0UR T0TAL CAL0RIES.

F0R S0ME0NE THAT WEIGHS 150 LBS AND GES 2,000 CAL0RIES THIS W0ULD MEAN HE CAN MAINTAIN HIS MUSCLE AT 20 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN A DAY L0L. N0 HE CAN'T.

[mass243]

N0 Y0U WILL L0SE MUSCLE MASS IF Y0U GET 1 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN 0UT 0F Y0UR T0TAL CAL0RIES.

F0R S0ME0NE THAT WEIGHS 150 LBS AND GES 2,000 CAL0RIES THIS W0ULD MEAN HE CAN MAINTAIN HIS MUSCLE AT 20 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN A DAY L0L. N0 HE CAN'T.

LOL, No.    I was talking about consuming less protein than is suggested in bb-mags etc, not getting only 20 grams