Author Topic: For MAL, KC, TA, 240, Andre, Straw: 2 Million less jobs since Stim Bill passed.  (Read 7818 times)

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Unfortunately the same people that got us into this mess are trying to get us out of it. And that won't work because they are morons.

Chinese politicians are engineers, scientists, physicists and architects. Our politicians are lawyers. That's part of the problem. All the politicians need to resign - they are major failures on every front. The only politician worth keeping is Ron Paul.

Sadly, this won't happen, and USA is going to spiral down the toilet.

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Www.recovery.gov.     


Knock yourself out.   Biden created the site. 

That did not answer the question I asked.

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Lmao - that's the freaking website that details everything. 

What more do you want.

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I did not ask for everything.  I asked a specific question.  Obviously one you must not be able to answer.

Scroll up and you will see that question.  You will see that I asked :

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Just provide a link that shows the amount of the stim bill, the amount that each state got, the amount that each state has left.

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Stimulus Bill to Cost $75 Billion More Than Expected, CBO Says
Published January 26, 2010
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/26/stimulus-cost-billion-expected-cbo-says


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The $787 billion federal stimulus package that Congress passed last year has gotten even bigger -- now expected to cost $862 billion, over the next 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

The nonpartisan CBO report, published Tuesday, attributes the $75 billion increase to added unemployment-related costs. More Americans are receiving unemployments benefits for lost jobs that the stimulus bill was meant to save, the report says.

About $21 billion of the added costs stem from higher unemployment compensation payments, while the remainder of the increase comes from food assistance payments and interest payments from states on taxable government bonds, the Washington Times reported.

In its report on the country's dire financial straights, the CBO also cites huge budget deficits, noting that the 2010 fiscal year budget is likely to reach $1.3 trillion.

Increased government spending has been the source of contentious debate between Republicans and Democrats -- amid two wars and the worst economic slump since the Great Depression.

Obama is expected to focus his State of the Union address Wednesday on job creation and announce a freeze on some discretionary spending programs.

Click here to read more from the Washington Times. 


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Map of what states got out of this. 

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/02/compromise_map.html





That is from 02/2009.  There are not even any hard numbers on that.  On vague percentages.  And only 3 classes of the percentages of listed.

My question is still unanswered.  Either you don't know the answer, don't want to answer it anyway, or simply do not understand English enough to comprehend what I am asking.

Just to be clear, I need something that lists the States.  All 50 of them.  Next to that a SOLID number.  Like something that starts with.... oh I don't know... maybe a $ sign.  Next to that it would be really really REALLLLLLLYYYYYY nice (if you wanted to answer my question) to show exactly how much of that $$$ that is  listed, each state has left over.

As much as you whine about this, I would have thought you had it stored away on that hard drive somewhere.  But it must just be 2T of Obama pictures instead.

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The Stimulus bill took a problem that was fixable and made it 100x worse.

Trillions of dollars were wasted on essentially nothing.

Waste, fraud, corruption and the usual suspects of big government have been compounded to a point of no return.

Government jobs were saved in the short term, corrupt government forays into the private sector were kept afloat with monopoly money, unions came out on top and nobody else that was struggling received a dime. Do you all realize that many businesses that took stimulus dollars opened up factories in China and Mexico?

To argue otherwise requires mental gymnastics that only a schizophrenic could appreciate as logical.

You can't coherently justify a piece of legislation solely on the basis of making a quantum leap into "What if?" The stimulus has been an utter failure. We have less jobs than when the recession began; in fact we are in a deeper hole than when we started. Our credit rating is on the verge of being downgraded. Consumer confidence is at an all time low. Businesses are not hiring. What more evidence do you need than that?

In World history, it has been shown irrefutably, that government interventions like the Stimulus Bill have always had the opposite effect of its intent. That is to say, infusions of government money into the economy have ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS made things worse. Japan is the most recent example. This is not even a debatable point. It is a fact. For anyone using pie in the sky, what if scenarios, chew on that. Guess what? The same thing happened to America this time around.

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Unfortunately the same people that got us into this mess are trying to get us out of it. And that won't work because they are morons.

Chinese politicians are engineers, scientists, physicists and architects. Our politicians are lawyers. That's part of the problem. All the politicians need to resign - they are major failures on every front. The only politician worth keeping is Ron Paul.

Sadly, this won't happen, and USA is going to spiral down the toilet.


What I'm finding fascinating is how many people voice thier support of Paul yet he continues to get no love from the msm to this day.

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What I'm finding fascinating is how many people voice thier support of Paul yet he continues to get mo love from the msm to this day.


Here is the deal Bindare - they only like him when he was against the wars and trashing Bush.  Now he serves no purpose for them.   Get it?   

When they actually hear his economic arguments, they flip out because its completely against their leftist Keynesian voodoo.

The clips I posted of RP and Schiff in this tread are so clear, concise, grounded in sound economics, yet, we still have morons not willing to concede the failure of this mess and what it wll take to fix the economy. 

     

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Top Barack Obama donors net government job




More than two years after Obama took office vowing to banish “special interests” from his administration, nearly 200 of his biggest donors have landed plum government jobs and advisory posts, won federal contracts worth millions of dollars for their business interests or attended numerous elite White House meetings and social events, an investigation by iWatch News has found.



From Politico http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html

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Top Barack Obama donors net government job




More than two years after Obama took office vowing to banish “special interests” from his administration, nearly 200 of his biggest donors have landed plum government jobs and advisory posts, won federal contracts worth millions of dollars for their business interests or attended numerous elite White House meetings and social events, an investigation by iWatch News has found.



From Politico http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html



Did yo see my thread about Obama wooing fat cat bankers at WH Dinners now? 

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Yeah, lets instead listen to Obama who blames UE on too many ATM machines.   ::)  ::)  ::)



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Is that MSNBC idiot at the end of this video a comedian? He criticized Paul for blaming Greenspan and others for the current state but later on said that Obama was trying to move forward. Really? When did Obama stop blaming Bush and accepted the fact that he made the recession worse?

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Still unanswered.  If you don't know then just say you don't know.

I want a very simple list.  Like this :

AL - received $$$  spent $$$
AK - received $$$ spent $$$
AZ - received $$$ spent $$$

should be very simple, yet you have posted and linked to exactly the kind of thing I have said I don't care to see.

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Still unanswered.  If you don't know then just say you don't know.

I want a very simple list.  Like this :

AL - received $$$  spent $$$
AK - received $$$ spent $$$
AZ - received $$$ spent $$$

should be very simple, yet you have posted and linked to exactly the kind of thing I have said I don't care to see.


I gave you fucking linkdirectly to recovery.go breaking it down.   

Whatever they got is already gone.  They used it to meet payroll.   Its almost all done, why do yu think now, two years later all the states and localities are having to lay people off?       

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I gave you fucking linkdirectly to recovery.go breaking it down.   

Whatever they got is already gone.  They used it to meet payroll.   Its almost all done, why do yu think now, two years later all the states and localities are having to lay people off?       

No, what I asked specifically was NOT on the that site. 

As I said before, FL has reported that only 42 CENTS out of every dollar they received from the stim bill has been spent.  That means 58 cents of every dollar is still left.


I am asking you to prove your point that everything is gone.  Now either you or the state of Florida is wrong. 

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Who the hell cares where it is?   It could be hiding in Mobacca's badunkadunk for all i know. 

The Stim Bill did not have its promised inent or effect no matter how you slice it or dice it. 


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Who the hell cares where it is?   It could be hiding in Mobacca's badunkadunk for all i know. 

The Stim Bill did not have its promised inent or effect no matter how you slice it or dice it. 


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Who the hell cares where it is?   It could be hiding in Mobacca's badunkadunk for all i know. 

The Stim Bill did not have its promised inent or effect no matter how you slice it or dice it. 



Exactly.

The "president" and his administration claimed it would keep UE at or lower than 8%. It is still at 9.1% (we all know it is actually higher). Therefore, the stim bill is a failure. Period. NEXT!!!!

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The Economy Is Now Immune to Keynesian Crack
By Peter Schiff




Economic data over the past weeks, punctuated by recent dismal employment reports, confirm the diminishing impact of the stimulus efforts orchestrated by the Obama Administration and the Federal Reserve. In what must be a huge disappointment to Keynesian enthusiasts, the record doses of both monetary and fiscal narcotics did not produce the desired results.

In fact, the size and scope of the "recovery" of the past two years was weaker than would have been expected in a typical business cycle recovery without any stimulus whatsoever. Indeed our current recovery is the weakest on record, despite the biggest jolt of government stimulus ever administered.

But despite the gathering gloom Austan Goolsbee, outgoing Chairman of the President's Council of Economic Advisors, argues that the economy is on the right track and that the recent salvo of horrific economic reports were not significant. The poor numbers, he said, resulted from external factors like the Japanese earthquake and the downgrade of European sovereign debt. I don't know if he really expects anyone to buy his story, but admitting you have a problem is the first step toward recovery.

In a sign that Mr. Goolsbee may have been getting increasingly uncomfortable with his job of economic propagandist, he, as alluded to earlier, has resigned. He will be returning to academia where I'm sure he is hoping to avoid blame for the coming economic train wreck.

Although I have made these comparisons before, the parallel between drug addiction and the reliance on economic stimulus is just too strong to ignore. And as with drug addiction, an economy builds up a tolerance. Each time the government successively stimulates with printed money or deficit spending, ever larger doses are needed to achieve the same result. Lest we forget, coming into the Crash of 2008, the economy had been on the receiving end of years of overstimulus. President Bush and Alan Greenspan never fully weaned the economy off their shock treatments that followed the dot.com crash and the horrors of September 11th.

This time around, the stimulus-fueled recovery is so mild that the economy is already relapsing into recession before the Fed has even begun to tighten. This puts Bernanke in a very difficult position. He either follows through on his loudly trumpeted plans to end quantitative easing this summer, or abandons those plans in favor of more stimulus. Both choices are unappealing.

Given the current economic weakness, will any additional deterioration that will surely result from a withdrawal of stimulus be politically viable? Real estate prices are already at new lows and unemployment refuses to diminish even with the punch bowl fully spiked. What would happen if it contained only cranberry juice?

To avoid these short-term consequences, the Fed can instead admit that the recovery cannot survive unaided. Bernanke would have to reverse his previously optimistic outlook, and launch QE3 even as QE2 barely pulls into port. But why would anyone believe that the "growth" that results from QE3 will be any more durable and robust than what resulted from QE1 and QE2?

Economists like the stimulus-loving Paul Krugman will surely argue that that the stimulus has been too small (like $5,000 in annual deficit spending per American is a trifling sum). But to believe that the next dose will do the trick borders on sheer insanity. When QE3 comes and goes (which I'm sure it will), the Fed will face the same choice that it faces today, yet with even greater consequences. It's a self-perpetuating cycle that ends in disaster.

Just like a Hollywood movie, each QE sequel gets progressively more ridiculous (my apologies to Johnny Depp). The government needs to admit its mistakes and write a completely different script. This time the story line must allow for a real restructuring. Real estate prices must fall further, and many financial institutions holding bad mortgages must fail. This means investors, creditors, and depositors will lose money.

Labor and capital must be re-allocated away from services into goods production. That means jobs must be lost in government, retail sales, finance, health care, and education; and jobs must be created in technology, manufacturing, textiles, mining, energy, and agriculture. This guarantees major short-term pain. But breaking an addiction is not easy. Those who say it is are living in a fool's paradise.

This transition does not require any positive action from government. All it needs to do is simply get out of the way. That does not mean there is nothing the government can do to help the process. It can remove as many regulations and taxes as possible that inhibit market forces from working their magic. But this requires a completely different mindset among our elected officials. They will need the courage and knowledge to level with the American people, and do what is in our nation's economic interests, not simply what is in their own political interest.

Foreign governments too must get out of the way and let market forces work. Their support for the U.S. dollar must end. If they do, U.S. consumer prices and interest rates will rise, as they must.

If the Fed tries to combat the effects of a falling dollar with more QE the dollar will fall even further and consumer prices will rise even higher. The cycle will either end with the Fed as the only buyer of all U.S. dollar denominated debt (wiping out the value of the dollar), or a Fed engineered rate hike that brings the cycle to an end. Both scenarios are catastrophic, but the latter at least offers the possibility of redemption.

The same experts who did not see the 2008 financial crisis coming also fail to see the world in these stark terms. And while it gives me no pleasure to forecast the demise of the U.S. economy, I hope that at least the reputations of these "experts" will sink with it.

Peter Schiff is the CEO of Euro Pacific Capital.

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2011/06/15/the_economy_is_now_immune_to_keynesian_crack_99075.html






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Who the hell cares where it is?   It could be hiding in Mobacca's badunkadunk for all i know. 

The Stim Bill did not have its promised inent or effect no matter how you slice it or dice it. 



You claimed it was all spent.

Now you say "who the hell cares".

Thanks for proving your lack of credibility yet once more.

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You claimed it was all spent.

Now you say "who the hell cares".

Thanks for proving your lack of credibility yet once more.

It was - on payroll! 


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It was - on payroll! 



Then you should easily be able to supply a fact based link on this that disputes the report that FL only spent 42 cents of each dollar.  By that claim, they have more than half of the stim bill left.  By your claim, they have none.  One of you is wrong.