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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2011, 11:22:15 AM »


In the beginning... not when they get older and realize what it has done to them... then they try and hide it.... and can't. Funny how that works.

Lemme see here:

Walls turn yellow.
Teeth turn yellow.
they have that delightful cough and blame it on something else besides smoking.
The house smells like shit!
It's the biggest turnoff when i see a chick smoking.  >:(
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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2011, 11:25:13 AM »
Turnoff ?

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2011, 11:26:31 AM »
Smoking actually increases cortisol which is linked to stomach fat. I know. Before i smoked I was lean in the stomach and now have a little bit of fat there, but rest of me is still very lean.

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2011, 11:27:41 AM »
Lemme see here:

Walls turn yellow.
Teeth turn yellow.
they have that delightful cough and blame it on something else besides smoking.
The house smells like shit!
It's the biggest turnoff when i see a chick smoking.  >:(

I drink tons of coffee and smoke half pack a day and always complimented on my white teeth. U need to know how to take care of yourself. I don't smoke in my house either. It's dirty and want to stop but it's very rewarding LOL

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2011, 11:33:49 AM »
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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2011, 11:45:00 AM »
one of the main reasons i quit smoking was because it seems like the only people left smoking in the world are eastern europeans and black crackheads, neither of which i want to be associated with in any way. (yes, i realize i'm eastern european, but no need to add to my shittiness)
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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2011, 11:48:19 AM »
I drink tons of coffee and smoke half pack a day and always complimented on my white teeth. U need to know how to take care of yourself. I don't smoke in my house either. It's dirty and want to stop but it's very rewarding LOL




I know some chicks down here that go through two-three packs of Marlboro Reds in a day.  :o
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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2011, 11:49:48 AM »
I dig chicks that smoke

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2011, 11:55:30 AM »
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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2011, 02:39:47 PM »
one of the main reasons i quit smoking was because it seems like the only people left smoking in the world are eastern europeans and black crackheads, neither of which i want to be associated with in any way. (yes, i realize i'm eastern european, but no need to add to my shittiness)

America is full of white trash that is keeping the tobacco companies profitable. There's also a decent percentage of closet smokers in the upper class of America.

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #60 on: July 03, 2011, 03:09:07 PM »
"my grandpa smoke 100 years and died by the stroke of lightning", try to understand this little fact: Those old geezers in your arguments has been living in this world before the nuclear waste, before the DDT, before all the pollution which you are sucking in your lungs with the tobacco.

  No, this is not the reason why this is a terrible argument. The reason why it is a terrible argument is due to the existence of something called statistical averages. Sure, there is a 100 year-old guy out there who smoked 2 packs a day for 60 years and died of something other than complications caused by tobbacco. Jean-Louis Calment, the oldest Human ever, who died at 122, smoked for 50 years. The problem is that, on average, smokers live a lot less than non-smokers(18 years less) and have much lower quality of life in their older years than non-smokers. A 20 year-old who smokes has great quality of life due to his youth and vitality. At 40 the difference in quality of life between smokers and non-smokers is still small but noticeable. But at 60, between two guys, one who is a smoker and the other a non-smoker, the non-smoker will have a much higher quality of life. The 60 year-old who smokes will get short-breathed after walking a hundred yards or climbing two flights of stairs. He will feel nausea and brutal headaches all day long because at 60, your body simply cannot clear the toxins in tobbacco as fast as it could at age 20, so they accumulate causing these problems, and because a 60 year-old has been smoking a lot longer than a 0 year-old, so there is simply too much toxins for the body to clean. The fundamental problem with tobbacco is that it shortens your life and makes the last couple decades of your life hell. It makes you difference at all at age 30. Smoking is actually very pleasurable. It is up to individuals to decide if the cost/benefit is worth it.

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2011, 03:14:08 PM »
Smoking actually increases cortisol which is linked to stomach fat. I know. Before i smoked I was lean in the stomach and now have a little bit of fat there, but rest of me is still very lean.
didn't know about this  ???

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #62 on: July 03, 2011, 03:15:50 PM »
people get into bodybuilding either to be healthy or to look better

smoking affects both in a negative way

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #63 on: July 03, 2011, 03:17:52 PM »
Turnoff ?

well of course your still gonna fuck her hard.. but the rancid smell of cigarette smoke doesn't care how pretty you are. you're still gonna stink


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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #64 on: July 03, 2011, 03:18:29 PM »
people get into bodybuilding either to be healthy or to look better

smoking affects both in a negative way

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  Yes, but nicotine dramatically increases your ability to train harder, which often results in bigger muscles. It depends on what you consider to be looking better. For a gym rat, having big muscles is much more important than having silky hair and a beautiful complexion. If nicotine might help him achieve that, it might be worth it to him in his mind.

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #65 on: July 03, 2011, 04:24:06 PM »
Nicotine is an aromatase inhibitor, which keeps estrogen levels lower. It can also increase DHT levels. I guess these side effects can possibly benefit bodybuilders.

I dare you to prove this.

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #66 on: July 03, 2011, 07:32:57 PM »
I dare you to prove this.

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Tobacco alkaloid derivatives as inhibitors of breast cancer aromatase.

Kadohama N, Shintani K, Osawa Y.

Endocrine Biochemistry Department, Medical Foundation of Buffalo Research Institute, N.Y. 14203.

The inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis by the use of aromatase inhibitors is emerging as a valuable approach to breast cancer therapy. Because smoking has a profound effect on estrogen-related processes we examined the ability of tobacco constituents to suppress estrogen production by breast cancer aromatase. N-n-octanoylnornicotine and N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl) anabasine suppressed aromatase activity in culture of two human breast cancer cell lines, MDA-MB-231 (IC50 of 310 and 20 microM, respectively) and SK-BR-3 (IC50 of 450 and approximately 2 microM, respectively). MDA-MB-231 cells induced by 250 nM dexamethasone or 1 mM (Bt)2cAMP were slightly more sensitive to both inhibitors. Kinetic analyses showed that inhibition by N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl)anabasine is competitive with respect to androstenedione as substrate, with apparent Ki values of 0.2 microM against microsomal aromatase activity derived from both (Bt)2cAMP-induced MDA-MB-231 cells and human breast tumor tissue. The corresponding apparent Ki against human placental microsomal aromatase activity was 0.4 microM. These results indicate that acyl derivatives of nornicotine and anabasine block estrogen formation in breast tumor cells and tissue and could contribute to the decreased intra-tissue estrogen levels in women who smoke.

PMID: 8313352 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Endocr Res. 1991;17(3-4):409-19.Related Articles, Links
Competitive inhibition of human placental aromatase by N-n-octanoylnornicotine and other nornicotine derivatives.

Bullion K, Ohnishi S, Osawa Y.

Endocrine Biochemistry Department, Medical Foundation of Buffalo Research Institute, NY 14203.

In a study of the effect of N-n-octanoylnornicotine and other acyl derivatives of nornicotine on the aromatization of androstenedione by human placental microsomal aromatase, we found that N-n-octanoylnornicotine, a component of cigarette smoke, exhibited competitive inhibition with an apparent Ki of 0.65 microM. This is comparable to that of aminoglutethimide, the clinically-used non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor. N-n-Decanoylnornicotine and N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl)nornicotine exhibited apparent Ki values of 0.86 microM and 0.24 microM, respectively. This study suggests that cigarette smoke components may have a direct effect on estrogen biosynthesis and that these compounds may prove to be useful parent structures for development of active site probes for further elucidation of estrogen biosynthesis and might eventually lead to the development of alternative non-steroidal anti-cancer therapy.

PMID: 1811989 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Nicotine and estrogen metabolism--possible implications of smoking for growth and outcome of treatment of hormone-dependent cancer? Discussion of experimental results.

Zeller WJ, Berger MR.

Institute of Toxicology and Chemotherapy, German Cancer Research Center, Heidelberg.

The combination treatment of hormone-dependent autochthonous mammary carcinomas in the rat with nicotine plus HECNU, a water-soluble nitrosourea, resulted in a potentiation of antitumor action. Nicotine and its metabolite cotinine are strong inhibitors of the aromatase. With regard to investigations in smoking women, suggesting a decreased endogenous estrogen production, our results indicate that smoking might influence growth and treatment results of hormone-dependent human cancer.

PMID: 2606936 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Fertil Steril. 1986 Aug;46(2):232-6.Related Articles, Links
Constituents of cigarette smoke inhibit human granulosa cell aromatase.

Barbieri RL, McShane PM, Ryan KJ.

Recent epidemiologic studies suggest that women smokers have lower endogenous estrogen levels than nonsmokers. The effects of aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke on aromatase were evaluated in cultures of human granulosa cells. Aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke inhibited the conversion of androstenedione (delta 4A) to estradiol in a dose-dependent manner. Dialysis experiments demonstrated that 90% of the inhibitory activity of aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke was in the less than 1000 mol wt fraction. Removal of the aqueous extract of cigarette smoke from the culture medium resulted in a complete reversal of the inhibition of delta 4A aromatization. Addition of supraphysiologic concentrations of delta 4A (73 microM) to the culture medium blocked the smoke-induced inhibition of aromatization. Two low-molecular-weight components of cigarette smoke, nicotine and anabasine, inhibited granulosa cell aromatase in a dose-dependent manner. These studies suggest that constituents of cigarette smoke inhibit a major steroidogenic pathway.

J Clin Invest. 1986 Jun;77(6):1727-33.Related Articles, Links IPB Image
Nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine inhibit aromatase in human trophoblast in vitro.

Barbieri RL, Gochberg J, Ryan KJ.

Epidemiologic studies suggest that women who smoke have lower endogenous estrogen than nonsmokers. To explore the possible link between cigarette smoking and decreased endogenous estrogens, we have examined the effects of constituents of tobacco on estrogen production in human choriocarcinoma cells and term placental microsomes. In choriocarcinoma cell cultures, nicotine, cotinine (a major metabolite of nicotine), and anabasine (a minor component of cigarette tobacco) all inhibited androstenedione conversion to estrogen in a dose-dependent fashion. Removal of nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine from the culture medium resulted in the complete reversal of the inhibition of aromatase. In the choriocarcinoma cell cultures, a supraphysiologic concentration of androstenedione (73 microM) in the culture medium blocked the inhibition of aromatase caused by nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine. In preparations of term placental microsomes, nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine inhibited the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. Kinetic analysis demonstrated the inhibition to be competitive with respect to the substrate. These findings suggest that some nicotinic alkaloids directly inhibit aromatase. This mechanism may explain, in part, the decreased estrogen observed in women who smoke.

PMID: 3711333 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #67 on: July 03, 2011, 08:20:37 PM »
 Yeah, I once saw a huge guy in Miami beach smoking. It has nothing to do with fat burning. Nicotine dramatically increases your ability to contract muscles due to stimulation of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. This also relaxes your muscles which makes you feel a lot less pain. The release of dopamine in the nucleus accumbens region of the brain increases motivation, and the release of norepinephrine in the locus coerelus area of the brain increases determination. Unfortunately, nicotine in gum does not have the same effect, as it reaches the bloodstream a lot more slowly than when you inhale tobacco smoke.

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #68 on: July 04, 2011, 02:47:40 AM »
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Tobacco alkaloid derivatives as inhibitors of breast cancer aromatase.

Kadohama N, Shintani K, Osawa Y.

Endocrine Biochemistry Department, Medical Foundation of Buffalo Research Institute, N.Y. 14203.

The inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis by the use of aromatase inhibitors is emerging as a valuable approach to breast cancer therapy. Because smoking has a profound effect on estrogen-related processes we examined the ability of tobacco constituents to suppress estrogen production by breast cancer aromatase. N-n-octanoylnornicotine and N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl) anabasine suppressed aromatase activity in culture of two human breast cancer cell lines, MDA-MB-231 (IC50 of 310 and 20 microM, respectively) and SK-BR-3 (IC50 of 450 and approximately 2 microM, respectively). MDA-MB-231 cells induced by 250 nM dexamethasone or 1 mM (Bt)2cAMP were slightly more sensitive to both inhibitors. Kinetic analyses showed that inhibition by N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl)anabasine is competitive with respect to androstenedione as substrate, with apparent Ki values of 0.2 microM against microsomal aromatase activity derived from both (Bt)2cAMP-induced MDA-MB-231 cells and human breast tumor tissue. The corresponding apparent Ki against human placental microsomal aromatase activity was 0.4 microM. These results indicate that acyl derivatives of nornicotine and anabasine block estrogen formation in breast tumor cells and tissue and could contribute to the decreased intra-tissue estrogen levels in women who smoke.

PMID: 8313352 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Endocr Res. 1991;17(3-4):409-19.Related Articles, Links
Competitive inhibition of human placental aromatase by N-n-octanoylnornicotine and other nornicotine derivatives.

Bullion K, Ohnishi S, Osawa Y.

Endocrine Biochemistry Department, Medical Foundation of Buffalo Research Institute, NY 14203.

In a study of the effect of N-n-octanoylnornicotine and other acyl derivatives of nornicotine on the aromatization of androstenedione by human placental microsomal aromatase, we found that N-n-octanoylnornicotine, a component of cigarette smoke, exhibited competitive inhibition with an apparent Ki of 0.65 microM. This is comparable to that of aminoglutethimide, the clinically-used non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor. N-n-Decanoylnornicotine and N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl)nornicotine exhibited apparent Ki values of 0.86 microM and 0.24 microM, respectively. This study suggests that cigarette smoke components may have a direct effect on estrogen biosynthesis and that these compounds may prove to be useful parent structures for development of active site probes for further elucidation of estrogen biosynthesis and might eventually lead to the development of alternative non-steroidal anti-cancer therapy.

PMID: 1811989 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Nicotine and estrogen metabolism--possible implications of smoking for growth and outcome of treatment of hormone-dependent cancer? Discussion of experimental results.

Zeller WJ, Berger MR.

Institute of Toxicology and Chemotherapy, German Cancer Research Center, Heidelberg.

The combination treatment of hormone-dependent autochthonous mammary carcinomas in the rat with nicotine plus HECNU, a water-soluble nitrosourea, resulted in a potentiation of antitumor action. Nicotine and its metabolite cotinine are strong inhibitors of the aromatase. With regard to investigations in smoking women, suggesting a decreased endogenous estrogen production, our results indicate that smoking might influence growth and treatment results of hormone-dependent human cancer.

PMID: 2606936 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Fertil Steril. 1986 Aug;46(2):232-6.Related Articles, Links
Constituents of cigarette smoke inhibit human granulosa cell aromatase.

Barbieri RL, McShane PM, Ryan KJ.

Recent epidemiologic studies suggest that women smokers have lower endogenous estrogen levels than nonsmokers. The effects of aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke on aromatase were evaluated in cultures of human granulosa cells. Aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke inhibited the conversion of androstenedione (delta 4A) to estradiol in a dose-dependent manner. Dialysis experiments demonstrated that 90% of the inhibitory activity of aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke was in the less than 1000 mol wt fraction. Removal of the aqueous extract of cigarette smoke from the culture medium resulted in a complete reversal of the inhibition of delta 4A aromatization. Addition of supraphysiologic concentrations of delta 4A (73 microM) to the culture medium blocked the smoke-induced inhibition of aromatization. Two low-molecular-weight components of cigarette smoke, nicotine and anabasine, inhibited granulosa cell aromatase in a dose-dependent manner. These studies suggest that constituents of cigarette smoke inhibit a major steroidogenic pathway.

J Clin Invest. 1986 Jun;77(6):1727-33.Related Articles, Links IPB Image
Nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine inhibit aromatase in human trophoblast in vitro.

Barbieri RL, Gochberg J, Ryan KJ.

Epidemiologic studies suggest that women who smoke have lower endogenous estrogen than nonsmokers. To explore the possible link between cigarette smoking and decreased endogenous estrogens, we have examined the effects of constituents of tobacco on estrogen production in human choriocarcinoma cells and term placental microsomes. In choriocarcinoma cell cultures, nicotine, cotinine (a major metabolite of nicotine), and anabasine (a minor component of cigarette tobacco) all inhibited androstenedione conversion to estrogen in a dose-dependent fashion. Removal of nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine from the culture medium resulted in the complete reversal of the inhibition of aromatase. In the choriocarcinoma cell cultures, a supraphysiologic concentration of androstenedione (73 microM) in the culture medium blocked the inhibition of aromatase caused by nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine. In preparations of term placental microsomes, nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine inhibited the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. Kinetic analysis demonstrated the inhibition to be competitive with respect to the substrate. These findings suggest that some nicotinic alkaloids directly inhibit aromatase. This mechanism may explain, in part, the decreased estrogen observed in women who smoke.

PMID: 3711333 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

OK, let's smoke, get big, then die at 50.

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2011, 06:55:31 AM »
I smoke weed everyday and I'm NPC national top amateur

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Re: Bodybuilders and Smoking.
« Reply #70 on: July 04, 2011, 11:14:18 AM »
A sargeant who shall remain unnamed because I forgot it told me at a party on Fort Hood, "The US Army is the biggest collection of physically fit smokers and alcoholics on the planet."

You're quite right, my friend.  I did too when I was in the military (ex-airborne here 1985-1993, deployments to Bosnia & Croatia), BUT was very quick to quit both when I got out... your health is your only possession. ;)