Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006

[Soul Crusher]

Here is the best part for me.    She talks about this in connection w her family to where she had 5 kids 23 foster kids etc.   Would you guys have felt better if she said god told her to run for office to tax the shit out of everyone and fundamentally transform America or enact so crazy freak show leftist agenda?  

[James]

"President Barack Obama told an audience Thursday at the National Prayer Breakfast that he is a devout Christian[/color] whose faith has been an anchor in turbulent times and helps him persevere despite those who doubt his beliefs."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48824.html#ixzz1SHtcTuOM




So he is either a "devout Christian" or he is a liar, which is it?

[Soul Crusher]

Conversations with god.  ( refer to the last question I asked)


On side note 333333, does chess style debate get a little tiresome a times?

Considering many f you think I am a moron, thanks for the compliment that you think I am even capable of chess.    

[Soul Crusher]

President Barack Obama told an audience Thursday at the National Prayer Breakfast that he is a devout Christian whose faith has been an anchor in turbulent times and helps him persevere despite those who doubt his beliefs.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48824.html#ixzz1SHtcTuOM

So he is either a "devout Christian" or he is a liar, which is it?

No to mention he says he prays for guidance from god daily. 

[OzmO]

Here is the best part for me.    She talks about this in connection w her family to where she had 5 kids 23 foster kids etc.   Would you guys have felt better if she said god told her to run for office to tax the shit out of everyone and fundamentally transform America or enact so crazy freak show leftist agenda?  

Look, I am not bachmann or Palin stalker nut.  I respect and like some of the things I read about her.  But I wouldn't vote for someone who has conversations with god. Praying to god and having conversations with god are 2 entirely different things.  

[Soul Crusher]

Look, I am not bachmann or Palin stalker nut.  I respect and like some of the things I read about her.  But I wouldn't vote for someone who has conversations with god. Praying to god and having conversations with god are 2 entirely different things.  

How?   

[OzmO]

Considering many f you think I am a moron, thanks for the compliment that you think I am even capable of chess.    

You shouldn't lump me in with many of your detractors.  you are a good guy who isn't afraid to speak his mind and has strong convictions.  I enjoy debating with you and occasionally harassing you.  I respect you and your views evn though I don't always agree.  I do not think you are unintelligent, are a moron, etc. I think you go overboard and are in uber debate mode sometimes,but we all are sometimes.  Also I learn much from your posts.  

[James]

Look, I am not bachmann or Palin stalker nut.  I respect and like some of the things I read about her.  But I wouldn't vote for someone who has conversations with god. Praying to god and having conversations with god are 2 entirely different things.  

What is Prayer, if it is not a conversation with God?

[OzmO]

How?   

When you pray you are asking for something.  When. You have a conversation there is sustained exchange.  Like for example what we are doing right now.  Would you categorize this exchange we are having as praying or are we having a conversation?

[James]

When you pray you are asking for something.  When. You have a conversation there is sustained exchange.  Like for example what we are doing right now.  Would you categorize this exchange we are having as praying or are we having a conversation?

So when Obama says he prays to God for guidance? how does Obama expect to receive it?

[OzmO]

What is Prayer, if it is not a conversation with God?

So by this answer are we now praying to each other?

Look up the definitions.

[Soul Crusher]

When you pray you are asking for something.  When. You have a conversation there is sustained exchange.  Like for example what we are doing right now.  Would you categorize this exchange we are having as praying or are we having a conversation?

Conversation.  


But let's say you pray for guidance fom god over a dilemma.  One day you wake up convinced he told you to choose option 1.    What's that?

[tonymctones]

When you pray you are asking for something.  When. You have a conversation there is sustained exchange.  Like for example what we are doing right now.  Would you categorize this exchange we are having as praying or are we having a conversation?

praying is often referred to as talking with God Oz

[Soul Crusher]

So when Obama says he prays to God for guidance? how does Obama expect to receive it?

Your paycheck. 

[OzmO]

So when Obama says he prays to God for guidance? how does Obama expect to receive it?

You would have to ask OB.  when i pray to god he may answer it in many different ways, but that wouldn't constitute a conversation that same way Michelle Talked about.  

[OzmO]

Conversation.  


But let's say you pray for guidance fom god over a dilemma.  One day you wake up convinced he told you to choose option 1.    What's that?

Someone who is convinced God answered one of their players. 

[James]

There are many complicated definitions of exactly what prayer is, but the most simple understanding is that prayer is a conversation with God.

[OzmO]

I can see that it may commonly be thought of as a conversation, but not according to the definition of the words. 

[James]

You would have to ask OB.  when i pray to god he may answer it in many different ways, but that wouldn't constitute a conversation that same way Michelle Talked about.  

Tells us of these "many different ways"?

[tonymctones]

There are many complicated definitions of exactly what prayer is, but the most simple understanding is that prayer is a conversation with God.

havent watched the clip and dont intend to, she isnt a viable candidate and msnbc, cnn, abc et al will swing themselves out on her proving that they are again in the bag for obama...this will backfire on them come election time.

but if she simply said that she talks with God then there isnt anything to discuss...

as you have admitted Oz many ppl refer to praying as talking with God...

[James]

So tell us Ozmo, which ways are acceptable, and which ways are not acceptable for prayers to be answered ?

[OzmO]

So tell us Ozmo, which ways are acceptable, and which ways are not acceptable for your prayers to be answered ?

Thats up each person what they find acceptable.  As far whether or not I would vote for her...  Based on that clip, she would certainly not get my vote.  I would not want her commonly deciding whats right or wrong based on her alleged conversations with god. 

[James]

Thats up each person what they find acceptable.  As far whether or not I would vote for her...  Based on that clip, she would certainly not get my vote.  I would not want her commonly deciding whats right or wrong based on her alleged conversations with god.  

But it is Ok for Obama to say he is a devout Christian, and say that he prays to God for guidance?

[OzmO]

havent watched the clip and dont intend to, she isnt a viable candidate and msnbc, cnn, abc et al will swing themselves out on her proving that they are again in the bag for obama...this will backfire on them come election time.

but if she simply said that she talks with God then there isnt anything to discuss...

as you have admitted Oz many ppl refer to praying as talking with God...

I understand the point being made here.  But based on that clip, no way I would vote for her.  And whether it's commonly regarded that way or not, the definitions  still stand.  

[OzmO]

But it is Ok for Obama to say he is a devout Christian, and pray for guidance?

Do you really think OB is having the same thing go on?

And what difference does it make if he says he's a devout Christian or not?  OB didn't get my vote for an entirely different reason.

It always cracks me up, how polarization leads to over assumption.