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« Reply #250 on: July 25, 2011, 07:35:44 AM »
obiously bulked up before the attack!


were'nt you supposed to leave?  ;D

I am already back - there were some slimy communists in my back yard which I killed instead.

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« Reply #251 on: July 25, 2011, 07:36:08 AM »
thats why he killed the kids, they will grow up and be part of the "problem" since they're at that camp. I would assume

So in all 1500 pages he never clearly laid out his goal and why he believed this action would accomplish it?  You'd think that would be right at the top of page 1.

Maybe he just really wanted to blow shit up and go kill a lot of people.  This political ideology story doesn't sound very convincing.

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« Reply #252 on: July 25, 2011, 07:37:36 AM »
So in all 1500 pages he never clearly laid out his goal and why he believed this action would accomplish it?  You'd think that would be right at the top of page 1.

Maybe he just really wanted to blow shit up and go kill a lot of people.  This political ideology story doesn't sound very convincing.

At what stage are they going to blame the computer games for that?

And do you really think somebody writes a 1500 pages political manifesto for the fuck of it?

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« Reply #253 on: July 25, 2011, 07:39:14 AM »
So in all 1500 pages he never clearly laid out his goal and why he believed this action would accomplish it?  You'd think that would be right at the top of page 1.

Maybe he just really wanted to blow shit up and go kill a lot of people.  This political ideology story doesn't sound very convincing.

I think he didnt mention certian stuff incase he would get caught etc..  Hard to explain your way out of "im going to killa s many kids and I possible can" he didnt say where he was putting the truck either etc
He did mention why I think, To bring attention to the problem...

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« Reply #254 on: July 25, 2011, 07:41:45 AM »
So in all 1500 pages he never clearly laid out his goal and why he believed this action would accomplish it?  You'd think that would be right at the top of page 1.

Maybe he just really wanted to blow shit up and go kill a lot of people.  This political ideology story doesn't sound very convincing.
Exactly. Lay your thesis out in the intro and then hammer it home in the conclusion. English 101.

Dude apparently plagiarized chunks of his tract from the Unibomber manifesto, so minus marks for being unoriginal in his nuttiness. 

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« Reply #255 on: July 25, 2011, 07:46:52 AM »
At what stage are they going to blame the computer games for that?

And do you really think somebody writes a 1500 pages political manifesto for the fuck of it?

It's not a manifesto.  From what I've seen, all he did was record the 'how.'  Hollowed out seats for guns, got tubs of shit delivered, etc.  Seems to me he got his jollies recording it all.  So no, it wasn't for the fuck of it.  He obviously enjoyed it greatly.

Haven't seen any mention of the 'why.'  Why his actions would achieve particular goals.  

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« Reply #256 on: July 25, 2011, 07:49:39 AM »
It's not a manifesto.  From what I've seen, all he did was record the 'how.'  Hollowed out seats for guns, got tubs of shit delivered, etc.  

The fuck are you talking about? Most of it was a manifesto expect the small diary section of it all..

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« Reply #257 on: July 25, 2011, 07:52:48 AM »
It's not a manifesto.  From what I've seen, all he did was record the 'how.'  Hollowed out seats for guns, got tubs of shit delivered, etc.  Seems to me he got his jollies recording it all.  So no, it wasn't for the fuck of it.  He obviously enjoyed it greatly.

Haven't seen any mention of the 'why.'  Why his actions would achieve particular goals.  

???

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« Reply #258 on: July 25, 2011, 07:53:40 AM »
what was the camp about?
anyone???

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« Reply #260 on: July 25, 2011, 07:55:00 AM »
Exactly. Lay your thesis out in the intro and then hammer it home in the conclusion. English 101.

Dude apparently plagiarized chunks of his tract from the Unibomber manifesto, so minus marks for being unoriginal in his nuttiness. 

Ballsy!  I always make a point of footnoting for people who blow shit up.

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« Reply #261 on: July 25, 2011, 07:56:05 AM »
60 out if 1500 pages was plagarized they say.

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« Reply #262 on: July 25, 2011, 07:56:33 AM »
???

I haven't read it.  That why I'm asking: Did he discuss why he chose to do these things?  Or was it just a history of how he went about it?

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« Reply #263 on: July 25, 2011, 07:57:22 AM »
60 out if 1500 pages was plagarized they say.
Una bomber wrote it. Anders made some minor changes....the little rascal !!!

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« Reply #264 on: July 25, 2011, 07:59:33 AM »
I haven't read it.  That why I'm asking: Did he discuss why he chose to do these things?  Or was it just a history of how he went about it?

It's not a manifesto.

you, you did ask  ::)

just download the entire thing, its in one of the threads, too lazy to look, but I have posted the link before I posted the diary link

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« Reply #265 on: July 25, 2011, 08:01:48 AM »
you, you did ask  ::)

I did, sir.

So in all 1500 pages he never clearly laid out his goal and why he believed this action would accomplish it?  You'd think that would be right at the top of page 1.

Maybe he just really wanted to blow shit up and go kill a lot of people.  This political ideology story doesn't sound very convincing.

I'm just curious what his strategy was in chosing the camp.  Doesn't seem like a very inspired choice given the amount of time and effort he put into it all.

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« Reply #266 on: July 25, 2011, 08:05:42 AM »
I did, sir.

I'm just curious what his strategy was in chosing the camp.  Doesn't seem like a very inspired choice given the amount of time and effort he put into it all.

Killing the ones that will grow up and be part of the problem Im guessing

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« Reply #267 on: July 25, 2011, 08:17:10 AM »
Killing the ones that will grow up and be part of the problem Im guessing

Even if we accept that those at the camp are part of a problem, they'd be such a miniscule percentage of problem people that his actions would have no effect.  Did he think the rest of the problem people would be scared into changing their policies?  Did he hope to inspire more killings of problem people?  Simply removing those 80 or so from the future political landscape is useless, so I figure that alone can't be his end strategy.

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« Reply #268 on: July 25, 2011, 08:18:44 AM »
Did he hope to inspire more killings of problem people?
Yes

which is why he wrote Exactly how to make the same bomb he did..

Hopefully the jihads doesnt read it though  :-\

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« Reply #269 on: July 25, 2011, 08:21:12 AM »
Yes

And have you bought a straw hat and a tractor yet?  ;D

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« Reply #270 on: July 25, 2011, 08:25:39 AM »
And have you bought a straw hat and a tractor yet?  ;D

I got tired just Reading about what he had to do  ;D

If I ever get cancer though, shit is going down

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He used "dum dum" bullets also. Which makes the injuries That much worse

sick sob he is, imagine being one of these parents that lost their kid, id kidnap that guy when hes out after 21 years (wtf????) and torture him for days till death followed.

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« Reply #272 on: July 25, 2011, 09:57:47 AM »
Possible Israeli Connection to Oslo Attacks - by Stephen Lendman

On July 24, investigative journalist Wayne Madsen suggested a Mossad link, saying "ample evidence" of its involvement exists.

Anders Breivik, the alleged bomber/gunman, calls himself a Christian conservative interested in hunting, body building and freemasonry. He's also expressed strong pro-Israeli views, hostile to Palestinians and Muslims.

Government business records name him the Breivik Geofarm director. Norway's media call it a farming sole proprietorship, cultivating vegetables, melons, roots and tubers.

The Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang quoted a friend saying he became a wing-wing extremist in his late 20s. He's now age 32. The paper also said he participated in online forums expressing strong nationalistic, anti-multicultural views.

On July 24, the UK Daily Mail said:

"According to witness accounts from Norwegian media, people have described shooting incidents in two different areas on the island, one with a handgun and the other with a 'sniper rifle.' However, there is uncertainty whether the guns belonged to one gunman or there was a second involved."

In the confusion, no one was sure, but the possibility is real, given the implausibility that one person killed over 90 people singlehanded. Perhaps there were multiple undetected gunmen. Police said they don't exclude the possibility.

Madsen connected Breivik to Pam Geller and Richard Pipes, "ciphers for Israeli intelligence and propaganda elements....provid(ing) a clear link between Breivik and Mossad, which is under orders to stage false flag attacks to garner support for Israel against Palestine, Cyprus and Norway being the two most recent examples of Mossad-staged attacks."

On July 19, Voice of Russia broadcasting headlined, "Norway to support Palestinians - Norwegian FM," saying:

"Norway will support Palestinians who are set to press for recognition of the independence of their state by the United Nations, says the Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store."

In January, Store said:

"Norway will be among the first (European) states (to) recognize (an independent) Palestin(e) when there is an act as an international team" to do it.

He also said:

"We are working to develop the economy of Palestine," and believe the political process toward peace can be successful."

Heading a committee in charge of raising international aid for Palestine, he added that Norway is committed to rallying donor help to build Palestinian institutions.

His July comment followed talks with Palestinian National Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas, adding he believes independence is no hindrance to Middle East peace.

Earlier in July, Norway's Dagbladet newspaper quoted Labour Party-affiliated Workers Youth League (AUF) leader Eskil Pedersen saying:

The "time has come for more drastic measures against Israel, and (he) wants the Foreign Minister to impose an economic boycott against the country," adding:

"The peace process goes nowhere, and though the whole world expects Israel to comply, they do not. We in the Labour Youth will have a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side."

Dagbladet said:

"The AUF has long been a supporter of an international boycott of Israel, (and) the decision at the last congress demands that Norway impose a unilateral economic embargo....and it must be stricter than before."

Last August 24, Reuters and Haaretz writer Shuki Sadeh headlined, "Norway government-run pension fund drops Africa Israel group shares," saying:

"Norway's 450 billion euro oil-riches fund has excluded two Israeli firms involved in developing settlements, as well as a Malaysian forestry firm, on ethical grounds, Norway's finance ministry said on Monday."

Excluded are Africa Israel Investments and its engineering subsidiary Danya Cebus. Both are controlled by Lev Leviev, billionaire Israeli businessman, involved among other interests in constructing Israeli settlements.

Norway's central bank-managed fund follows ethical guidelines, excluding investments in companies producing nuclear weapons, cluster munitions, environmentally harmful products, building illegal settlements, or abusing their workers.

The fund specifically said Leviev's Danya Cebus subsidiary engages in settlement construction in East Jerusalem's Har Homa neighborhood, as well as West Bank Ma'ale Adumim and Modi'in Illit settlements.

The fund said its "Council of Ethics emphasizes that construction of settlements in occupied areas is a violation of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War."

Finance Minister Sigbjoern Johnsen added:

"Several United Nations Security Council resolutions and an International Court of Justice advisory opinion have concluded that the construction of Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territory is prohibited under this Convention."

Africa Israel replied, saying neither it or its subsidiaries engaged in West Bank settlement construction for some time, whether or not true. At the same time, it left unmentioned its East Jerusalem projects, where Israel steals Palestinian land for settlement development.

In 2009, Norway's pension fund divested in Elbit Systems, an Israeli defense electronics firm, because of its involvement in building Israel's illegal Separation Wall.

On March 29, 2011, EuropeNews headlined, "Norway: Socialist Left Party to Vote on Motion Calling for Bombing Israel if it Acts against Hamas in Gaza," saying:

Former Finance Minister, now Education Minister Kristin Halvorsen's Socialist Left Party (SV), (part of Norway's three party ruling coalition with the Centre Party and the Labour Party) supports a measure supporting military action against Israel if it attacks Hamas. Part of its statement said:

"The credibility of the world community in its confrontation with (Gaddafi) is undermined when there is no reaction against other states in the region (that) commit injustices against (their) civil population. The greater world community must therefore also react against Israeli air attacks on the Gaza strip."

The proposal didn't get majority support but shows Norwegian concern for Palestinian rights. It suggests why Breivik targeted Labour Party children on Utoeya island. The previous day, they held a pro-Palestinian rally. Foreign Minister Store met with them, and while there, children told him Norway must recognize Palestine. In response, he said:

"The Palestinians must have their own state. The occupation must end. The wall must be demolished, and it must happen now."

Breivik expressed strong hatred for Muslims and others with left of center views. His recently opened Twitter account posted a single July 17 comment, quoting John Stuart Mill saying:

"One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests."

However, at issue isn't him or his views. It's who planned the attack, perhaps used him (among likely others) to commit it, and why.

Derailing Palestinian independence and de jure UN membership, as well as retaliating against Norway's backing both, its divestment of Israeli assets, and its criticism of Israeli policies combines a trio of reasons perhaps behind the Oslo attacks.

Increasingly, it looks like Mossad's fingerprints are all over them, perhaps cooperatively with CIA and/or MI6. Massive car bombs are one of their specialties. They're experts at these type operations, using convenient stooges for plausible deniability, usually without their knowledge.

Spread the word, and keep the pressure on Israel and its Washington paymaster/partner, masters of mass murder crimes.

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen [at] sbcglobal.net.

Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.

http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-progressive-news-hour/.
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com

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Possible Israeli Connection to Oslo Attacks - by Stephen Lendman

On July 24, investigative journalist Wayne Madsen suggested a Mossad link, saying "ample evidence" of its involvement exists.

Anders Breivik, the alleged bomber/gunman, calls himself a Christian conservative interested in hunting, body building and freemasonry. He's also expressed strong pro-Israeli views, hostile to Palestinians and Muslims.

Government business records name him the Breivik Geofarm director. Norway's media call it a farming sole proprietorship, cultivating vegetables, melons, roots and tubers.

The Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang quoted a friend saying he became a wing-wing extremist in his late 20s. He's now age 32. The paper also said he participated in online forums expressing strong nationalistic, anti-multicultural views.

On July 24, the UK Daily Mail said:

"According to witness accounts from Norwegian media, people have described shooting incidents in two different areas on the island, one with a handgun and the other with a 'sniper rifle.' However, there is uncertainty whether the guns belonged to one gunman or there was a second involved."

In the confusion, no one was sure, but the possibility is real, given the implausibility that one person killed over 90 people singlehanded. Perhaps there were multiple undetected gunmen. Police said they don't exclude the possibility.

Madsen connected Breivik to Pam Geller and Richard Pipes, "ciphers for Israeli intelligence and propaganda elements....provid(ing) a clear link between Breivik and Mossad, which is under orders to stage false flag attacks to garner support for Israel against Palestine, Cyprus and Norway being the two most recent examples of Mossad-staged attacks."

On July 19, Voice of Russia broadcasting headlined, "Norway to support Palestinians - Norwegian FM," saying:

"Norway will support Palestinians who are set to press for recognition of the independence of their state by the United Nations, says the Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store."

In January, Store said:

"Norway will be among the first (European) states (to) recognize (an independent) Palestin(e) when there is an act as an international team" to do it.

He also said:

"We are working to develop the economy of Palestine," and believe the political process toward peace can be successful."

Heading a committee in charge of raising international aid for Palestine, he added that Norway is committed to rallying donor help to build Palestinian institutions.

His July comment followed talks with Palestinian National Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas, adding he believes independence is no hindrance to Middle East peace.

Earlier in July, Norway's Dagbladet newspaper quoted Labour Party-affiliated Workers Youth League (AUF) leader Eskil Pedersen saying:

The "time has come for more drastic measures against Israel, and (he) wants the Foreign Minister to impose an economic boycott against the country," adding:

"The peace process goes nowhere, and though the whole world expects Israel to comply, they do not. We in the Labour Youth will have a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side."

Dagbladet said:

"The AUF has long been a supporter of an international boycott of Israel, (and) the decision at the last congress demands that Norway impose a unilateral economic embargo....and it must be stricter than before."

Last August 24, Reuters and Haaretz writer Shuki Sadeh headlined, "Norway government-run pension fund drops Africa Israel group shares," saying:

"Norway's 450 billion euro oil-riches fund has excluded two Israeli firms involved in developing settlements, as well as a Malaysian forestry firm, on ethical grounds, Norway's finance ministry said on Monday."

Excluded are Africa Israel Investments and its engineering subsidiary Danya Cebus. Both are controlled by Lev Leviev, billionaire Israeli businessman, involved among other interests in constructing Israeli settlements.

Norway's central bank-managed fund follows ethical guidelines, excluding investments in companies producing nuclear weapons, cluster munitions, environmentally harmful products, building illegal settlements, or abusing their workers.

The fund specifically said Leviev's Danya Cebus subsidiary engages in settlement construction in East Jerusalem's Har Homa neighborhood, as well as West Bank Ma'ale Adumim and Modi'in Illit settlements.

The fund said its "Council of Ethics emphasizes that construction of settlements in occupied areas is a violation of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War."

Finance Minister Sigbjoern Johnsen added:

"Several United Nations Security Council resolutions and an International Court of Justice advisory opinion have concluded that the construction of Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territory is prohibited under this Convention."

Africa Israel replied, saying neither it or its subsidiaries engaged in West Bank settlement construction for some time, whether or not true. At the same time, it left unmentioned its East Jerusalem projects, where Israel steals Palestinian land for settlement development.

In 2009, Norway's pension fund divested in Elbit Systems, an Israeli defense electronics firm, because of its involvement in building Israel's illegal Separation Wall.

On March 29, 2011, EuropeNews headlined, "Norway: Socialist Left Party to Vote on Motion Calling for Bombing Israel if it Acts against Hamas in Gaza," saying:

Former Finance Minister, now Education Minister Kristin Halvorsen's Socialist Left Party (SV), (part of Norway's three party ruling coalition with the Centre Party and the Labour Party) supports a measure supporting military action against Israel if it attacks Hamas. Part of its statement said:

"The credibility of the world community in its confrontation with (Gaddafi) is undermined when there is no reaction against other states in the region (that) commit injustices against (their) civil population. The greater world community must therefore also react against Israeli air attacks on the Gaza strip."

The proposal didn't get majority support but shows Norwegian concern for Palestinian rights. It suggests why Breivik targeted Labour Party children on Utoeya island. The previous day, they held a pro-Palestinian rally. Foreign Minister Store met with them, and while there, children told him Norway must recognize Palestine. In response, he said:

"The Palestinians must have their own state. The occupation must end. The wall must be demolished, and it must happen now."

Breivik expressed strong hatred for Muslims and others with left of center views. His recently opened Twitter account posted a single July 17 comment, quoting John Stuart Mill saying:

"One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests."

However, at issue isn't him or his views. It's who planned the attack, perhaps used him (among likely others) to commit it, and why.

Derailing Palestinian independence and de jure UN membership, as well as retaliating against Norway's backing both, its divestment of Israeli assets, and its criticism of Israeli policies combines a trio of reasons perhaps behind the Oslo attacks.

Increasingly, it looks like Mossad's fingerprints are all over them, perhaps cooperatively with CIA and/or MI6. Massive car bombs are one of their specialties. They're experts at these type operations, using convenient stooges for plausible deniability, usually without their knowledge.

Spread the word, and keep the pressure on Israel and its Washington paymaster/partner, masters of mass murder crimes.

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen [at] sbcglobal.net.

Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.

http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-progressive-news-hour/.
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com

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« Reply #274 on: July 25, 2011, 10:10:59 AM »

Increasingly, it looks like Mossad's fingerprints are all over them, perhaps cooperatively with CIA and/or MI6. Massive car bombs are one of their specialties. They're experts at these type operations, using convenient stooges for plausible deniability, usually without their knowledge.

Spread the word, and keep the pressure on Israel and its Washington paymaster/partner, masters of mass murder crimes.


Dude.  Seriously?