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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2011, 02:22:54 PM »
This president should be tried for Treason.  The other one should be too.  Fuck it, throw em all in jail, every congressman, senator and cabinet member. 

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2011, 02:24:04 PM »
This president should be tried for Treason.  The other one should be too.  Fuck it, throw em all in jail, every congressman, senator and cabinet member. 

I already said we should have let these banksters collapse and we deal with the aftermath.   In the long run we would have been far better off.   

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2011, 02:27:46 PM »
I already said we should have let these banksters collapse and we deal with the aftermath.   In the long run we would have been far better off.   

But we didn't and now there are likely some real crimes that were committed.

It's ok though because Obama isn't manly, Bush was, Perry is, Michelle Bachmann is a fraud and a whore, Michelle Obama lobster eating muff diver and wale watcher, Perry's wife is a pilot whale, and Ron Paul is Satan.

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2011, 02:30:46 PM »
But we didn't and now there are likely some real crimes that were committed.

It's ok though because Obama isn't manly, Bush was, Perry is, Michelle Bachmann is a fraud and a whore, Michelle Obama lobster eating muff diver and wale watcher, Perry's wife is a pilot whale, and Ron Paul is Satan.

It's all good.

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2011, 03:18:59 PM »

Why Is The White House Defending The Banks From Investigations?
Megan McArdle, The Atlantic | Aug. 25, 2011, 3:00 PM | 689 | 8



Via Outside the Beltway, I see that the administration is pressing New York's attorney general to drop its investigation into dodgy foreclosure practices and settle with the banks.

Doug Mataconis, who wrote the post, says, "I'm sure the large amount of donations coming from the financial sector into the coffers of the Democratic National Committee and Obama For America have nothing to do with this pressure. I also believe the guy who tells me he has a bridge in Brooklyn to sell me."

I quite agree that the administration should not be intervening, but let me suggest a more charitable explanation, contained within today's edition of the New York Times: "U.S. May Back Refinance Plan for Mortgages". 

It looks like the administration has convened a working group to explore more aggressive options for dealing with underwater mortgages.

"One proposal would allow millions of homeowners with government-backed mortgages to refinance them at today's lower interest rates, about 4 percent, according to two people briefed on the administration's discussions who asked not to be identified because they were not allowed to talk about the information.

A wave of refinancing could be a strong stimulus to the economy, because it would lower consumers' mortgage bills right away and allow them to spend elsewhere. But such a sweeping change could face opposition from the regulator who oversees Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and from investors in government-backed mortgage bonds.

Administration officials said on Wednesday that they were weighing a range of proposals, including changes to its previous refinancing programs to increase the number of homeowners taking part. They are also working on a home rental program that would try to shore up housing prices by preventing hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes from flooding the market. That program is further along -- the administration requested ideas for execution from the private sector earlier this month."

How much these proposals will actually accomplish seems rather questionable--I doubt lowering interest rates is going to do much to fix the housing market, given how highly correlated default seems to be with a) losing your job and b) the simple fact of being underwater.  But leave those concerns aside. 

If the administration actually wants any of these programs to work, it is going to need the cooperation of the banks.

And no, I do not mean "because they can't move without the okay of their corporate paymasters".  I mean that the administration is going to need some active cooperation from the banks that hold and service all these mortgages. 

Corporate and social reformers tend to get caught up in the notion that with a combination of steely will and brutal intolerance of misbehavior, you can simply force all those twerps in a misbehaving organization to do what you want: the only reason people don't, they believe, is that they have somehow been paid off, or brainwashed, by the twerps.

This is why most corporate reorganizations, and social reforms, fail miserably. Not even Stalin or Pol Pot exercised this level of total control over the workers.  There are all sorts of way that unwilling people will subvert your efforts.

That's not to say that reforms should be all carrot, no stick.  Indeed, sometimes the way to deal with a tricky organizational problem is to fire all the workers.  But even this doesn't work as well as you might think.  I once spent some time talking to an in a turnaround situation whose solution to a deeply dysfunctional corporate culture at a firm that had been losing money for more than a decade was ultimately a mass firing that axed more than 90% of the staff.  Eighteen months later, I asked him whether the old culture had died out, or re-established itself among the new workers.

"Honestly?" he said, "The culture won."

You need some level of buy in; if you don't have it, your reforms won't work unless you can actually fire everyone.  And a  "clear the decks" approach is not an option the administration has.  They cannot fire the owners of these mortgages, nor do I think they'll have much luck forcing the owners to fire their servicers.  If they want to do anything serious in the mortgage market, they're going to have to have the active cooperation of the banking industry.

And that, in turn, means that they have to trade the industry something that they want . . . like a quick settlement in this foreclosure fraud investigation.  I don't know that this is the particular quid-pro-quo that led to the administration's pressure.  But after three years of covering their economic policymaking, I find it eminently more plausible than the idea that they're doing this because some banker made a well-timed phone call to David Axelrod.

I frequently disagree with administration policy, but however much you question their priors or analysis, it's always operated within an admirably consistent technocratic framework.  The technocratic wonks are shocked because they cannot believe that this is what technocracy actually looks like in the real world: it involves a lot of side-deals to get buy in from the affected parties.

That's not to say that I approve of making this deal.  I don't.  But this is the sort of devil's bargain we accepted when we got the government into the business of guaranteeing mortgages.  The problem is not that politicians are making the kind of distasteful backroom agreements that politicians have ever made, and ever will.  The problem is that we put the government in the position where these kinds of deals are necessary.

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2011, 08:54:59 AM »
Bump for Lurker and Mal. 


Is this the bullshit you two morons voted for? 

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2011, 08:57:03 AM »
SNORE

"Is this the BS the whole country voted for" is a much better question because this kind of collusion and corruption was going on with the previous administration also.

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2011, 09:52:08 AM »
SNORE

"Is this the BS the whole country voted for" is a much better question because this kind of collusion and corruption was going on with the previous administration also.

Shit doesnt change if we keep voting for the same candidates

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #58 on: August 30, 2011, 09:55:39 AM »
Shit doesnt change if we keep voting for the same candidates

Yep. 

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #59 on: August 30, 2011, 09:58:33 AM »
Yep. 

I am voting for R paul in the primary.  however, if Bachmann is close to take out perry or romney I will vote for her. 

In the General election - I would vote for Gadafi, Achmadenijad, Putin, Wee Man, Vandersloot, OJ, Scot Peterson, David Berkowitz, John Wayne Gacy, Steeve o, Bam margera, or Wee Man over Obama at this point.   

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2011, 10:13:17 AM »
I am voting for R paul in the primary.  however, if Bachmann is close to take out perry or romney I will vote for her.  

In the General election - I would vote for Gadafi, Achmadenijad, Putin, Wee Man, Vandersloot, OJ, Scot Peterson, David Berkowitz, John Wayne Gacy, Steeve o, Bam margera, or Wee Man over Obama at this point.    


the sad sad part about our politics these days it that it will come down to 2 candidates.  ATM I won't likely vote for either.  

Espcially if it comes down to Obama vs:  Romeny or Perry or Bachmann

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2011, 10:16:02 AM »

the sad sad part about our politics these days it that it will come down to 2 candidates.  ATM I won't likely vote for either. 

Again 33 Math works like this: 

1.  GOP is likely to hold the house and retake the Senate

2.  So long as Obama is in office - we are guaranteed more of the same.   Sure the GOP might be worse- but they might be better too.   But we know what we get with obama is horrible and disastrous.   So in my mind its worth taking the chance with someone new. 


3.  Bama gets re-elected - two more picks on SC - 2 more kagans vs. 2 more Alitos     - Case closed.   
 

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2011, 10:56:21 AM »
Sounds like you are worried about Bama getting reelected. 

either way, I am not voting for an establishment that has taken away representative government in this country.  Every time you cast a vote, one way or another you are supporting more of the same, if not just in a different flavor.

Bachmann is a fraud and a whore,  Perry is dumb hick probable puppet like bush, all Perry is going to do is excite ignorant rednecks, Romney is a flip flopping whore mount. 

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2011, 11:00:38 AM »
Sounds like you are worried about Bama getting reelected. 

either way, I am not voting for an establishment that has taken away representative government in this country.  Every time you cast a vote, one way or another you are supporting more of the same, if not just in a different flavor.

Bachmann is a fraud and a whore,  Perry is dumb hick probable puppet like bush, all Perry is going to do is excite ignorant rednecks, Romney is a flip flopping whore mount. 

Probably true - however - from Day 1 

Perry or Romney start with a 50% chance of being good or sucking 

Bama getting re-elected = 100% of shit. 

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2011, 11:25:44 AM »
Probably true - however - from Day 1 

Perry or Romney start with a 50% chance of being good or sucking 

Bama getting re-elected = 100% of shit. 
I'm sure that's how many independents looked at it in 2008.

Not a good idea as demonstrated by OB. 

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Re: Obama pressuring NYS AG to drop fraud probe against Wall Street Banks
« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2011, 02:29:58 PM »

..Why Is The White House Defending The Banks From Investigations?
Megan McArdle, The Atlantic | Aug. 25, 2011, 3:00 PM | 1,875 | 17




Via Outside the Beltway, I see that the administration is pressing New York's attorney general to drop its investigation into dodgy foreclosure practices and settle with the banks.

Doug Mataconis, who wrote the post, says, "I'm sure the large amount of donations coming from the financial sector into the coffers of the Democratic National Committee and Obama For America have nothing to do with this pressure. I also believe the guy who tells me he has a bridge in Brooklyn to sell me."

I quite agree that the administration should not be intervening, but let me suggest a more charitable explanation, contained within today's edition of the New York Times: "U.S. May Back Refinance Plan for Mortgages". 

It looks like the administration has convened a working group to explore more aggressive options for dealing with underwater mortgages.

"One proposal would allow millions of homeowners with government-backed mortgages to refinance them at today's lower interest rates, about 4 percent, according to two people briefed on the administration's discussions who asked not to be identified because they were not allowed to talk about the information.

A wave of refinancing could be a strong stimulus to the economy, because it would lower consumers' mortgage bills right away and allow them to spend elsewhere. But such a sweeping change could face opposition from the regulator who oversees Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and from investors in government-backed mortgage bonds.

Administration officials said on Wednesday that they were weighing a range of proposals, including changes to its previous refinancing programs to increase the number of homeowners taking part. They are also working on a home rental program that would try to shore up housing prices by preventing hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes from flooding the market. That program is further along -- the administration requested ideas for execution from the private sector earlier this month."

How much these proposals will actually accomplish seems rather questionable--I doubt lowering interest rates is going to do much to fix the housing market, given how highly correlated default seems to be with a) losing your job and b) the simple fact of being underwater.  But leave those concerns aside. 

If the administration actually wants any of these programs to work, it is going to need the cooperation of the banks.

And no, I do not mean "because they can't move without the okay of their corporate paymasters".  I mean that the administration is going to need some active cooperation from the banks that hold and service all these mortgages. 

Corporate and social reformers tend to get caught up in the notion that with a combination of steely will and brutal intolerance of misbehavior, you can simply force all those twerps in a misbehaving organization to do what you want: the only reason people don't, they believe, is that they have somehow been paid off, or brainwashed, by the twerps.

This is why most corporate reorganizations, and social reforms, fail miserably. Not even Stalin or Pol Pot exercised this level of total control over the workers.  There are all sorts of way that unwilling people will subvert your efforts.

That's not to say that reforms should be all carrot, no stick.  Indeed, sometimes the way to deal with a tricky organizational problem is to fire all the workers.  But even this doesn't work as well as you might think.  I once spent some time talking to an in a turnaround situation whose solution to a deeply dysfunctional corporate culture at a firm that had been losing money for more than a decade was ultimately a mass firing that axed more than 90% of the staff.  Eighteen months later, I asked him whether the old culture had died out, or re-established itself among the new workers.

"Honestly?" he said, "The culture won."

You need some level of buy in; if you don't have it, your reforms won't work unless you can actually fire everyone.  And a  "clear the decks" approach is not an option the administration has.  They cannot fire the owners of these mortgages, nor do I think they'll have much luck forcing the owners to fire their servicers.  If they want to do anything serious in the mortgage market, they're going to have to have the active cooperation of the banking industry.

And that, in turn, means that they have to trade the industry something that they want . . . like a quick settlement in this foreclosure fraud investigation.  I don't know that this is the particular quid-pro-quo that led to the administration's pressure.  But after three years of covering their economic policymaking, I find it eminently more plausible than the idea that they're doing this because some banker made a well-timed phone call to David Axelrod.

I frequently disagree with administration policy, but however much you question their priors or analysis, it's always operated within an admirably consistent technocratic framework.  The technocratic wonks are shocked because they cannot believe that this is what technocracy actually looks like in the real world: it involves a lot of side-deals to get buy in from the affected parties.

That's not to say that I approve of making this deal.  I don't.  But this is the sort of devil's bargain we accepted when we got the government into the business of guaranteeing mortgages.  The problem is not that politicians are making the kind of distasteful backroom agreements that politicians have ever made, and ever will.  The problem is that we put the government in the position where these kinds of deals are necessary.

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