Bodybuilding for the Poor - Phase 3 & Re Phase 4

[notsureifsrs]

Interesting. Although I would not count on Chromium to protect the human body against powerful pharmaceuticals. I do think uses low, key word low, doses of insulin are healthier than taking large amounts of  gh without insulin. Key word large doses of gh, I think from a health perspective low doses of gh without slin are most beneficial.  By using gh without exogenous insulin your stressing your pancreas into a diabetic like state. I had dificulty gaining weight when I was on high doses of growth, I looked fantastic but was flat as shit. Moment I added slin my weight took off. I also gained more muscle in those 3 months after stopping the gh than I did in the past year on steroids. Definitely think there is a window for growth that no one and gh15 have talked about after stopping gh.

That might happen when you don't eat enough...
How much gh did you use?

[WillGrant]

METFORMIN

R-ALPHA LIPOIC ACID

CHROMIUM PICOLINATE

VANADYL SULFATE

Instead of fighting GH induced insulin resistance by using insulin (which will cause more insulin resistance), you should take precautions to INCREASE insulin sensitivity by means of drugs and supplements.

Other than Metformin which is a drug the rest are rubbish HTH

[abijahmaniaco]

METFORMIN

R-ALPHA LIPOIC ACID

CHROMIUM PICOLINATE

VANADYL SULFATE

Instead of fighting GH induced insulin resistance by using insulin (which will cause more insulin resistance), you should take precautions to INCREASE insulin sensitivity by means of drugs and supplements.

never heard of any of this. will check into it.

[howardroark]

Other than Metformin which is a drug the rest are rubbish HTH

I agree that if funds are limited, then metformin is the way to go. Metformin blows the legal supplements I listed out of the water. However, the legal supplements I listed DO, in fact, increase insulin sensitivity. For example, alpha lipoic acid: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15913551

I think these legal supplements can have their place, since they increase insulin sensitivity in skeletal muscle, while metformin increases insulin sensitivity in muscle AND fat cells.

[dustin]

Other than Metformin which is a drug the rest are rubbish HTH

Yeah, Metformin is the only glucose disposal agent I'd use. But still, I'd only use it if it were free. Otherwise it's not worth the money.

[andreisdaman]

Other than Metformin which is a drug the rest are rubbish HTH

agreed

[pellius]

I agree that if funds are limited, then metformin is the way to go. Metformin blows the legal supplements I listed out of the water. However, the legal supplements I listed DO, in fact, increase insulin sensitivity. For example, alpha lipoic acid: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15913551

I think these legal supplements can have their place, since they increase insulin sensitivity in skeletal muscle, while metformin increases insulin sensitivity in muscle AND fat cells.

It doesn't specify how much ALA? I know that Chromium in high doeses, 500mcg+ can be harmful. Seems you have to watch all your micro minerals as they get toxic real quick.

[pellius]

Interesting. Although I would not count on Chromium to protect the human body against powerful pharmaceuticals. I do think uses low, key word low, doses of insulin are healthier than taking large amounts of  gh without insulin. Key word large doses of gh, I think from a health perspective low doses of gh without slin are most beneficial.  By using gh without exogenous insulin your stressing your pancreas into a diabetic like state. I had dificulty gaining weight when I was on high doses of growth, I looked fantastic but was flat as shit. Moment I added slin my weight took off. I also gained more muscle in those 3 months after stopping the gh than I did in the past year on steroids. Definitely think there is a window for growth that no one and gh15 have talked about after stopping gh.

I believe you were using 10ius of the NDs right? When you say you couldn't gain weight were you getting more shredded? Also, what insulin protocol were you using.

Maybe you were eating enough Brewers Reeses ice cream.

[whitewidow]

Gh15(Nasser) is poor he owes people thousands and never payed them back

[leninja]

Interesting. Although I would not count on Chromium to protect the human body against powerful pharmaceuticals. I do think uses low, key word low, doses of insulin are healthier than taking large amounts of  gh without insulin. Key word large doses of gh, I think from a health perspective low doses of gh without slin are most beneficial.  By using gh without exogenous insulin your stressing your pancreas into a diabetic like state. I had dificulty gaining weight when I was on high doses of growth, I looked fantastic but was flat as shit. Moment I added slin my weight took off. I also gained more muscle in those 3 months after stopping the gh than I did in the past year on steroids. Definitely think there is a window for growth that no one and gh15 have talked about after stopping gh.

how high and how low doses of GH are you taliking about?

would 4~5iu a day long term be ok without insulin?

[howardroark]

It doesn't specify how much ALA? I know that Chromium in high doeses, 500mcg+ can be harmful. Seems you have to watch all your micro minerals as they get toxic real quick.

IDK how much to do with GH as I've never done GH. My guess is that R-ALA wouldn't be strong enough on its own to deal with GH induced hyperglycemia. But for regular usage, 100mg r-ALA per 50g of carbs up to four times daily. Of course, I only take it with quickly digesting carbs.

Note: take biotin with it, as r-ALA may cause biotin deficiency.

[maskman]

Phase 4 pleassssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssss

[abijahmaniaco]

apparently the fructose present in fruits increases insulin sensitivity. (from the frutarian posting)

[pellius]

apparently the fructose present in fruits increases insulin sensitivity. (from the frutarian posting)

Well, I can see how that would make sense. Though fructose is a sugar it has a low glycemic index. I remember reading that it's sugar molecule is a lot bigger and takes longer to break down giving a more sustain energy release.

[Trainhardcore]

I don 't agree. Fructose is the stealth bomb of carbs. It goes first to replenish liver glycogen, through a specific enzyme. This one unfortunately runs out fast, and when it's over, the rest of fructose will be converted in tryglycerides. Only prolly 20/25 grams of fructose a day can be used safely.... My 2 cents

Metformin is the best glucose disposal agent out there. I used since 1996 to carb up or to go in ketosis faster with the old bodyopus diet. I used bidiabe another gucose disposal agent but not with the same results. One thing that happens when starting glucophage while dieting is a drop of weight quite immediatly...

[Spidey]

Ok. Bringing this up!
Don't know if it has been answered yet but here goes:
Why do we have to change from Test Prop to Enan? Can't we just up the Prop dosage? Or does Enanthate have some properties that we can't get from the Prop?

[abijahmaniaco]

Ok. Bringing this up!
Don't know if it has been answered yet but here goes:
Why do we have to change from Test Prop to Enan? Can't we just up the Prop dosage? Or does Enanthate have some properties that we can't get from the Prop?

scientifically speaking, test is test. the only variance is the half life the ester provides.

[flinstones1]

Ok. Bringing this up!
Don't know if it has been answered yet but here goes:
Why do we have to change from Test Prop to Enan? Can't we just up the Prop dosage? Or does Enanthate have some properties that we can't get from the Prop?

Most guys will tell you test is test, but there actually has been some literature showing otherwise. I dont feel like looking for it atm...but in a nutshell I remember two interesting things off the top of my head...

-long esters are superior for bulking
- short esters will provide a higher peak concentration of the hormone...so not only do they work faster but they will actually result in a higher level of hormone in the blood. intersting stuff.

 if anyone gives a fuck I'll look for it and post it in the morning, I'm tired.

[flinstones1]

scientifically speaking, test is test. the only variance is the half life the ester provides.

on paper.

[Spidey]

Most guys will tell you test is test, but there actually has been some literature showing otherwise. I dont feel like looking for it atm...but in a nutshell I remember two interesting things off the top of my head...

-long esters are superior for bulking
- short esters will provide a higher peak concentration of the hormone...so not only do they work faster but they will actually result in a higher level of hormone in the blood. intersting stuff.

 if anyone gives a fuck I'll look for it and post it in the morning, I'm tired.

About the higher level of hormones i've read it because the enanthate ester is heavier thus making 250mg a little less than the prop esther wich is lighter and allows for a closer 250mg of test.
I'm just asking because i get really bloated with Enanthate but it gets more expensive with the prop so i'll have to figure it out!
Tkx for the replies

[BOW]

About the higher level of hormones i've read it because the enanthate ester is heavier thus making 250mg a little less than the prop esther wich is lighter and allows for a closer 250mg of test.
I'm just asking because i get really bloated with Enanthate but it gets more expensive with the prop so i'll have to figure it out!
Tkx for the replies

there is 180mg of actual testosterone per 250mg of test enanthate.

[Spidey]

there is 180mg of actual testosterone per 250mg of test enanthate.

Thank you. Will probably use Prop@900mg instead of Enan@1g

[Bonobo]

I'm bumping this because i think we all are still waiting for fase 4 G15!!
I know you are busy bringing down WW... ... but maye you have some spare time at hand soon to complete the fase 4 that you promissed us all?

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

I'm bumping this because i think we all are still waiting for fase 4 G15!!
I know you are busy bringing down WW... ... but maye you have some spare time at hand soon to complete the fase 4 that you promissed us all?

real busy right now,,,,I have elections coming up,,victor martinez among other things I will help more in march with website,,,

gh15 approved

[Bonobo]

real busy right now,,,,I have elections coming up,,victor martinez among other things I will help more in march with website,,,

gh15 approved

Somehow i was expecting a reply like this...