HCG use while on trt, advise needed.

[snexer]

Wow, what about living with test levels close to bottom range at 21 years old? Thats my case. So either I accept the fact that I'm naturally lazy, have low libido etc. or go on HRT. My test levels aint gonna improve with years especially that I use anabolics. I guess it's gonna fall below normal range until I'm 30. My father got issues like that as well.

So it's a choice between fertility and going through your life at 50% or having to inject test for the rest of your life, risk of infertility and living 100%.

so far from what i have heard from dutch, most of the times it is reversible.
look at pros, abusers like no others, and yet ronnie has 5 kids, arnolds just got another one which he didn't plan.
more then enough have children.

of course there are exceptions

[snexer]

Bullshit a man who take care of himself by eating healty,do not take hormone or recreational drugs,do not abuse alcool and exercise regurarly will never need TRT past 38 or 40!
I might add that an healthy man would never need TRT even in their later years!
In the past plenty of man have fathered children with younger woman after 60!
Problem would be to find a younger woman that want to have sex when you are 60!

well....i do...

[Tapeworm]

T makes your nads atrophy because they don't get LH & FSH from the pituitary.  So you take HCG or HMG.  Even if it keeps your nads happy long term, which isn't at all certain, what happens to the pituitary?  Does it atrophy?  Do concomitant pituitary issues arise or other endo dramas?

It's not a simple matter of one drug making a hole and another drug plugging it.  You're fucking with the balance of a system.  If that's your choice, fine, but at least talk to some endos and make an informed decision based on more than "Luv juice" in the Pros column and a question mark under Cons.

[deceiver]

Bullshit a man who take care of himself by eating healty,do not take hormone or recreational drugs,do not abuse alcool and exercise regurarly will never need TRT past 38 or 40!
I might add that an healthy man would never need TRT even in their later years!
In the past plenty of man have fathered children with younger woman after 60!
Problem would be to find a younger woman that want to have sex when you are 60!

rofl, I had low testosterone arleady before taking drugs. Lifestyle does help, but if you're fucked then you're fucked.

[Meso_z]

How can you figure out if your spermcount is low?

From volume, colour..thickness of it ?

serious question.

Mine always changes.

[Meso_z]

Personally I do 1500iu e3d-e4d every couple months for like 4 weeks,

[snexer]

How can you figure out if your spermcount is low?

From volume, colour..thickness of it ?

serious question.

Mine always changes.

ball size and volume of a load is simply an indicator how how much you got left. to know what your spermcount is you need to go to the doc for that

[DK II]

Bullshit a man who take care of himself by eating healty,do not take hormone or recreational drugs,do not abuse alcool and exercise regurarly will never need TRT past 38 or 40!
I might add that an healthy man would never need TRT even in their later years!
In the past plenty of man have fathered children with younger woman after 60!
Problem would be to find a younger woman that want to have sex when you are 60!

What has the one to do with the other, you can father children with close to no test if you are lucky.

But your life will be much better on higher doses of test.

[WillGrant]

Up the dose

[snexer]

What has the one to do with the other, you can father children with close to no test if you are lucky.

But your life will be much better on higher doses of test.

so basicly 99% of the time you can be on gear for ages, run some hcg to maintain ball size for cosmetic purposes, and as soon as you want to pass on your godly genes you just blast quite a lot hcg and get your wife into a 9 month bulking phase.

[DK II]

so basicly 99% of the time you can be on gear for ages, run some hcg to maintain ball size for cosmetic purposes, and as soon as you want to pass on your godly genes you just blast quite a lot hcg and get your wife into a 9 month bulking phase.

There are so many men that got their wives/gf pregnant while on, some even on higher doses.

Testosterone has been tested as a contraceptive for decades, and it always failed.

[snexer]

There are so many men that got their wives/gf pregnant while on, some even on higher doses.

Testosterone has been tested as a contraceptive for decades, and it always failed.

it is not contraceptive, but it reduces the chance ^^
however there has not been done one study on a long timeline like 10 years.

[maxkane69]

well....i do...

Listen snexer,before taking a lifetime commitment to the siringe I would find out what kind of damage you have done to your testes ,because maybe you did not damage them at all (few cycles do not compromise the health of your balls permanently)
The way to know that is the following:
1-Get off of Hormone for at least 6 month
2-Follow balanced diet with plenty of fruit and vegetables,make sure to include whole eggs daily and red meat at least 3 time a week(you need   cholesterol from that food in order to produce natural testosterone)
3-Follow a weight training program that include compound movement (squat is the best exercise you can do if you do not have lower back problem, many people think that raises natural testosterone)
4-Follow a cardio program that include running at least 3 time a week
5-Do not overtrain
6-Do not abuse alcool and do not take any recreational drugs or prescription drugs
7- try to have a stress free lifestile as much you can
After 6 month of this healthy lifestile go to your doctor and get a blood work that check your free testosterone and total testosterone and if your testosterone level is in the normal range for sameone of your age means that you did not damage your sexual organ and you do not need any TRT!
If instead your testosterone is way below the normal limit I would take in consideration TRT according to what the doctor prescribe.
Good luck!

[Game Time]

Does anyone known of dudes who were left by their wife bc they juiced for yrs on end and couldnt have kids?