Nirvana, I suspect Jay got a gift for being four time Mr. Olympia and being in undeniably good shape. He is harder then Wolf. I agree with you actually and think Wolf is better, but those in the know don't agree. Listen, BB is a lot like boxing. Two judges can see the same round in boxing completely differently. Same goes with BB. However, if you look at the scorecard Jay, despite his flaws, was a pretty convincing second place finisher. BTW, the judges are usually people who have been involved in the sport for years and have knowledge. Do I always agree with them...no. But then again, I am not a judge. Deal with it.