Do bodybuilders on juice look down on natural bodybuilders?

[Man of Steel]

Why do you guys assume saa users would finally end up abusing them? I never gonnna use more than 500mg of test and 500mg of deca/bold. I don't use anadrol, dbal, winstrol anymore, can't afford anavar. I would never look good natural, that's obvious to me since I don't have best genetics and low natural testosterone. With this approach you can lift till the end of your life and don't get sick and I know plenty of guys doing same thing for years and still looking good in their 40ties.

Yes, I've seen the plight of many a juicebox time and again.  They start natty, train hard, start networking with the gearheads casually, start their first cycle, start a more aggresive cycle, start a really aggresive cycle, blow up on the sauce, look great, compete once and place well, compete twice and win a show, compete a third time at a bigger show and take 18th, train harder than ever before, compete a fourth time in another big show and take 17th, realize their pro bb dreams are a pipedream, revert back to personal training for awhile, moonlight as a bouncer, moonlight as a stripper, fall into a downward spiraling party scene, run outta cash, run outta gear, run outta size, quit training altogether (cause what's the point without the chemicals) and then dissappear from the face of the earth......seen a good 8 or 9 examples of some form of this situation.  Do all users end up like this?  Of course not.  Most casually use so they look good in a skintight glitter shirt at clubs.  Pick up a few super fine girls they never could've before and that's about it.  Regardless of rec drug use, bb drug use, etc....all can lead to some form of addiction.  Some folks are way stronger and more controlled than others and avoid the addiction, but the path is a slippery slope and many don't last.

[purenaturalstrength]

Without a doubt.  We look good in the gym, Walmart, Sears, family reunions, etc....., but in a truly competitive bb environment?  LOL!  We're just fat puds.

i only look like i lift when i have no sleeves and a pump



fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[Benny B]

I have lifted a lot more than that naturally and I don't look like a bb and never will cause I won't use.  See me at the local grocery store and many will think, "he's a big guy," but put me next to a juicebox with bb lines, density and low bodyfat and there's no comparison LOL!!

And as long as you're at peace with that, you're good. If you feel like you are a loser unless everyone everywhere you go must stare at you admiringly for your massive muscular development...well then, you are going to be a miserable natty.

Trust me, most women can tell that you work out if you are a natty who takes his training seriously and you have halfway decent genetics. If you have any game whatsoever, you don't need to juice. Keep your bodyfat below, I don't know...12percent?...and the girls will think you have a hot body when you are getting naked and about to start fuckin', natty or not. 

[Man of Steel]

And as long as you're at peace with that, you're good. If you feel like you are a loser unless everyone everywhere you go must stare at you admiringly for your massive muscular development...well then, you are going to be a miserable natty.

Trust me, most women can tell that you work out if you are a natty who takes his training seriously and you have halfway decent genetics. If you have any game whatsoever, you don't need to juice. Keep your bodyfat below, I don't know...12percent?...and the girls will think you have a hot body when you are getting naked and about to start fuckin', natty or not.  

I agree with you and I am at peace with being a natty.  Have I considered drug use in the past?  Absolutely, but I chose not to do it.  Am I critical of others that use?  Most often no, but sometimes the incessant glorification of drug use on this board wears me out and I have to comment.  I don't want to pass judgement on others (and I often regret doing so), but my frustration gets the best of me.  Am I an expert?  Certainly not, but I have enough experience and general knowledge to understand the game.  Now, although the morality issue is often glossed over in regards to bb drug use it's the primary reason I choose not to use.  It stands in opposition of what I belief and those closest to me in my life (wife, daughter, parents, siblings, friends, coworkers) wouldn't approve of me choosing to use either.  That's the primary driver for me that prevents my own use, but I am at peace with remaining natural even if I never will attain that bb look.

[BiGHer]

I love how natural/juice physique threads always revert back to the ability to get women lol.  We as men are funny creatures.  Anything to get your dick in something and if it's nto happening as much as you want, you need to know why and how to change it lol.

[Man of Steel]

I love how natural/juice physique threads always revert back to the ability to get women lol.  We as men are funny creatures.  Anything to get your dick in something and if it's nto happening as much as you want, you need to know why and how to change it lol.

AHHAAHAHAH!!!  So true.  We're men.....well.....some of us LOL!!  We can discuss how bb/lifting/using made us feel confident, how it helped us overcome a childhood bullying incident, how it improved our health, how it helped us garner respect, etc.....the crux of the matter for natties and users (in the majority of cases) is very simple......we do it for girls.  Should change this site to Getgirls.

[Benny B]

I love how natural/juice physique threads always revert back to the ability to get women lol.  We as men are funny creatures.  Anything to get your dick in something and if it's nto happening as much as you want, you need to know why and how to change it lol.

It's why men want to be strong, drive expensive cars, be the life the party, etc. Ultimately, it's all about the pussy.

Of course a topic as ultimately irrelevant to the meaning of life and true happiness as the look of your "physique" is going to revert back to attracting women.

[Palpatine Q]

I love how natural/juice physique threads always revert back to the ability to get women lol.  We as men are funny creatures.  Anything to get your dick in something and if it's nto happening as much as you want, you need to know why and how to change it lol.

The truth is the really dedicated guys don't give a fuck about getting women, they do it cuz they love it.

I've been lifting for almost 30 years....I remember a LONG ass time ago a friend of mine said..."dude,  ...you have a hot GF, why do you still do this shit??"

And i looked at him like he has three heads, and said "i don't do this to get chicks..i do it for me, I'll NEVER stop"

[Man of Steel]

The truth is the really dedicated guys don't give a fuck about getting women, they do it cuz they love it.

I've been lifting for almost 30 years....I remember a LONG ass time ago a friend of mine said..."dude,  ...you have a hot GF, why do you still do this shit??"

And i looked at him like he has three heads, and said "i don't do this to get chicks..i do it for me, I'll NEVER stop"

Be it natty or juicer, I respect this attitude because I share it.  I also get the "why are you still training at the gym?" thing too.  I used to hate cardio, but I'm enjoying it more and more today; regardless, I love to lift.....win or lose it's all me and I'll never quit.

[CalvinH]

The truth is the really dedicated guys don't give a fuck about getting women, they do it cuz they love it.

I've been lifting for almost 30 years....I remember a LONG ass time ago a friend of mine said..."dude,  ...you have a hot GF, why do you still do this shit??"

And i looked at him like he has three heads, and said "i don't do this to get chicks..i do it for me, I'll NEVER stop"

Accept for the 30yrs part...true dat!

....once in awhile I'll try to take a break and I can never go more then a week and a half and then I'm back in the gym.

[MikMaq]

I donno for me this shit is a joke, I never considered myself a weightlifter, won't admit it to my friends. I'd rather be a cardio fiend if I had to choose. For me training is all about training. If I wanted to get laid more I'd play more guitar/singing. Don't get me wrong I cared about this shit when I was a virgin, but once anyone gets there first girlfrined, they should realize it's a pointless game.

[Palpatine Q]

Yup, the "guido" types aren't true gym rats....they won't even go near the gym unless they are on....and it's only to "look ripped at spring break". ...then they shrink back down until the next big event. and don't even talk to them about training legs...LOLOL

I'm using now, because..well...I'm old and the truth is i was curious. i have a lifetime of natural training under my belt, and I have "FOUNDATION"  

[Man of Steel]

Yup, the "guido" types aren't true gym rats....they won't even go near the gym unless they are on....and it's only to "look ripped at spring break". ...then they shrink back down until the next big event. and don't even talk to them about training legs...LOLOL

I'm using now, because..well...I'm old and the truth is i was curious. i have a lifetime of natural training under my belt, and I have "FOUNDATION" 

I have to admit, seeing a man like you that's trained without drugs for as long as you have and then in your mid-40s decided to use a bit and then to recognize the results you did......well.....it peaked my curiousity too.  LOL old habits die hard I suppose.

[Palpatine Q]

I have to admit, seeing a man like you that's trained without drugs for as long as you have and then in your mid-40s decided to use a bit and then to recognize the results you did......well.....it peaked my curiousity too.  LOL old habits die hard I suppose.

Up to you my man....for me i'll never go crazy with dosages and run a million compounds...I keep it safe and sane....I have no illusions of thong grandeur 

[MikMaq]

Up to you my man....for me i'll never go crazy with dosages and run a million compounds...I keep it safe and sane....I have no illusions of thong grandeur 

I'm pretty sure what your doing is pretty much the wave of the future, as far of anti aging. Do you find it makes you feel younger or just bigger?

[Man of Steel]

Up to you my man....for me i'll never go crazy with dosages and run a million compounds...I keep it safe and sane....I have no illusions of thong grandeur 

Believe me.....BELIEVE ME......I've considered using in the past.  Today those days are behind me.  Especially after the accident I had in 2010 my perspective really changed.  Still you look tremendous....better than most guys half your age.  All I want for myself is to just keep going, keep training, stay healthy and be able to play with my kids.  Hey the wife still likes me so I got that goin for me!

[Palpatine Q]

I'm pretty sure what your doing is pretty much the wave of the future, as far of anti aging. Do you find it makes you feel younger or just bigger?

Younger and better, not bigger...I dropped a shitload of water and fat.  TRT is nothing new, I just added a little tren because i didn't want to be soft.

But i feel really good physically, I'm light on my feet again, the older guys will know what i mean by that

[Palpatine Q]

Believe me.....BELIEVE ME......I've considered using in the past.  Today those days are behind me.  Especially after the accident I had in 2010 my perspective really changed.  Still you look tremendous....better than most guys half your age.  All I want for myself is to just keep going, keep training, stay healthy and be able to play with my kids.  Hey the wife still likes me so I got that goin for me!

LOLOL.....   THX MOS

[BiGHer]

The truth is the really dedicated guys don't give a fuck about getting women, they do it cuz they love it.

I've been lifting for almost 30 years....I remember a LONG ass time ago a friend of mine said..."dude,  ...you have a hot GF, why do you still do this shit??"

And i looked at him like he has three heads, and said "i don't do this to get chicks..i do it for me, I'll NEVER stop"

I hear you Groink.  Not on the 30 years bit cuz you've been lifting longer than I have been on Earth lol.  However, I never juiced or trained for women.  I always played sports and trained from when I was a little kid.  I just love it.  I zone out in the gym.  Headphones on, etc... Even if I don't get the best workout, I just feel better being there cuz I love it.

[dyslexic]

Good thread - MOS with some quality posts and home truths.

Ditto...

[Steelrabbitt]

Why do you guys assume saa users would finally end up abusing them? I never gonnna use more than 500mg of test and 500mg of deca/bold. I don't use anadrol, dbal, winstrol anymore, can't afford anavar. I would never look good natural, that's obvious to me since I don't have best genetics and low natural testosterone. With this approach you can lift till the end of your life and don't get sick and I know plenty of guys doing same thing for years and still looking good in their 40ties.

I'm in the same boat. Moderate dose for extended periods. Tried higher when I was younger but felt like shit and didn't notice any difference in my look. Never was concerned one bit about being able to lift a lot, just wanted to look like I could. I've also found that more people respect me more when I'm bigger. Figure if I don't go crazy I'll be fine until being big is no longer a concern for me and I will just ride my bike and hit the weights a few times a month. Then it will be fishing and hunting full time.

[Benny B]

I've also found that more people respect me more when I'm bigger.

Do you honestly believe this? 
Do you have any academic and/or career accomplishments? Would you consider yourself to be typically well dressed and nicely groomed when out in public?

I find it rather sad that part of the reason someone would resort to a decades-long habit of using anabolics would be in order to "feel more respected" by people. I am not trying to be an ass towards you...just expressing my sincere thought upon reading your words.

[Palpatine Q]

Do you honestly believe this?  
Do you have any academic and/or career accomplishments? Would you consider yourself to be typically well dressed and nicely groomed when out in public?

I find it rather sad that part of the reason someone would resort to a decades-long habit of using anabolics would be in order to "feel more respected" by people. I am not trying to be an ass towards you...just expressing my sincere thought upon reading your words.

you see, you are falling into the typical Getbig either/or paradigm.

if you're big that must mean you have nothing else going for you.  

I'm in the gym a grand total of 5 hours a week......lots of time left over for other things

And as far has how the public perceives me....as shocking as it may seem, no, I don't give a shit that you are "getting back into it soon"....and yes, I DO mind and I'm not going to "write you up a program real quick." 

[Steelrabbitt]

Do you honestly believe this? 
Do you have any academic and/or career accomplishments? Would you consider yourself to be typically well dressed and nicely groomed when out in public?

I find it rather sad that part of the reason someone would resort to a decades-long habit of using anabolics would be in order to "feel more respected" by people. I am not trying to be an ass towards you...just expressing my sincere thought upon reading your words.

I don't feel like it is a habit. I don't have an addictive personality by any means. I just like feeling big and powerful. And when I'm on I feel like a million dollars. My bad knee no longer hurts whatsoever. Sleeping amazing every night. An I'm not even on absurd doses. I never sought out aas to get respect, I notice it as a result of having more muscle.

I feel pretty accomplished for my age? I run a successful construction business and am happily married. I also own a really nice pair of burgundy loafers...

[flinstones1]

The truth is the really dedicated guys don't give a fuck about getting women, they do it cuz they love it.

I've been lifting for almost 30 years....I remember a LONG ass time ago a friend of mine said..."dude,  ...you have a hot GF, why do you still do this shit??"

And i looked at him like he has three heads, and said "i don't do this to get chicks..i do it for me, I'll NEVER stop"

you can't hate on that though.  I dont love training,lifting weights is "ok"" and I would rather spend my spare time doing other things .  I mean I wish I did enjoy training, and was one of those guys who lived for the next workout, I would probably look alot better by now But I dont lie to myself and try to be some gym "warrior" ..  I think it's  just one of those things you can't teach or "get",  you either have that fire inside you  or you dont..   Nothing worse than a guy who comes in the gym twice a week, and has his buddies pat him on the back for screaming under a set of preacher curls like he just won the O for fuck sake  , if you lift weights for women NO SHAME in that, just don't lie to yourself. When I'm in the gym and I see guys who have battle scars from the iron, whether it be powerlifter bodbuilder or typical gym rat just someone who you can tell knows what they are doing and has been around the block,  I always know my place. Doesn't mean I kiss their ass but I always go out of the way to show them that little extra courtesy. And if I was in their place 10 years down the road from now I would expect the same.