He paid a hefty sum to Joe for the whole year he trained him. I'm sure he was counted that in there. I talked to him on a daily basis for years before I even trained him so I knew exactly what he was doing. As far as how much he used there are guys on here that have used more. I wrote out everything for him when I trained him and I am not one to change things around much as far as drugs when it comes to training people especially at that level. I never lie, no reason to so I won't quote doses but it was moderate but not at all what I would consider high. OK, so I'll go this far, GH was never more than 10 usually around 8 and that was during contest only.
Fair enough Jim.
Maybe he was talking about training fees or something. I know you are pretty close to him.