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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #225 on: October 06, 2011, 06:40:22 PM »
(The Washington Times) — President Obama’s shock troops are marching in the streets. Occupy Wall Street — a movement composed of communists, anarchists, socialists and anti-globalization student radicals — is spreading. Protests have swelled in cities including New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago, Denver and Philadelphia. The protesters are gaining influence and numbers. A ragtag group of hippie students has turned into a potent political force.

Occupy Wall Street seeks to demonize big banks, large corporations and capitalism. Its goal is to overturn America’s economic structure. The protesters are calling for wealth redistribution, fees on bank profits and massive tax increases on the rich. Many are demanding a socialist revolution — the confiscation of private property and nationalization of the economy. They are the heirs of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and Vladimir Lenin. Their aim is to impose the hammer and sickle upon America.

Leftist radicals, such as Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky, have endorsed the anti-capitalist movement. Both men have glorified authoritarian communist regimes — Fidel Castro’s Cuba, Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela and the old Soviet Union. Their hatred for America has found expression in the rabble on the streets of New York and Washington. Actress Roseanne Barr even has called for the return of the “guillotine.” She wants bankers to be sent to “re-education camps,” and if they still refuse to hand over their profits, they should be beheaded, she says. This is the language of revolutionary terror and Marxist violence.

Mr. Obama has said he “sympathizes” with the protesters — especially their anger at Wall Street and “fat-cat” bankers. For years, he has demonized billionaires and millionaires, jet owners and corporate America. His divisive, irresponsible rhetoric has laid the groundwork for Occupy Wall Street.

The White House connection is even deeper. The protest’s main players all have ties to the Obama administration. Its primary organizer is former Obama “green-jobs czar” Van Jones. Mr. Jones is a self-avowed communist and follower of Saul Alinsky, the radical community organizer who also was Mr. Obama’s intellectual mentor. Mr. Jones said October is the month of the long-awaited “progressive offensive” — the watershed moment when students, labor unions, socialists and civil rights activists coalesce into an anti-Tea Party to blunt Middle America’s growing opposition to Mr. Obama.

Occupy Wall Street also is being supported by MoveOn.org. The group was one of the first to back Mr. Obama’s presidential candidacy when he was still an obscure senator from Illinois. The protests are being funded by socialist billionaire George Soros — a key Obama ally. And the protesters are being joined by big labor, the administration’s most powerful constituency.

Hence, Occupy Wall Street is not a spontaneous uprising of disenchanted citizens frustrated with corporate plutocracy and capitalist excess. Rather, it is a planned, manufactured attempt to prop up Mr. Obama’s failed presidency. It is a page taken straight from the Alinsky playbook: Demonize bankers and businessmen in order to divert attention from the real source of our economic woes, Mr. Obama’s policies.

The president inherited a recession, and he has deepened it. His out-of-control spending and trillion-dollar deficits have brought us to the brink of bankruptcy. America’s debt credit rating has been downgraded. Growth has slowed to less than 1 percent. Unemployment has risen above 9 percent. Inflation is rising as consumer confidence declines. Obamacare is strangling job creation and business investment. Mr. Obama has waged war upon the private sector. If those students are truly angry about joblessness and a bleak future, they should direct their fury at the president.

Instead, they mouth leftist pieties. They are a spoiled, dependent and illiterate generation that believes it is entitled to government handouts, state coddling and permanent prosperity. They don’t wish to be self-reliant and make their own way; rather, they want others — successful, productive members of society — to transfer their hard-earned money to subsidize their indolence. They are the kind of deadbeats the welfare state eventually produces — lazy, whining and shameless.

Alinsky argued that an economic crisis inevitably fosters a political crisis. The key for the hard left was to take advantage of our misery to seize power and impose a socialist regime. By sowing street mayhem, Occupy Wall Street is hoping to demoralize and distract Middle America into believing big business is the evil culprit for the financial collapse. The very opposite, however, is true. Meddlesome government intervention caused the housing bubble, the subprime mortgage debacle and the reckless bank lending practices that triggered the Great Recession. The way out is not more statism; it is less. Only a vibrant free market can restore economic recovery and stimulate job growth.

The protesters are not interested in real solutions. They are political activists masquerading as concerned citizens. Progressives are desperate to keep Mr. Obama in office. This is why the president is deliberately encouraging Occupy Wall Street. He hopes to create enough bedlam and then target Republicans, the Tea Party and the rich. He is pursuing the Alinsky strategy of divide and conquer, pitting interest groups and different classes against each other.

Mr. Obama has unleashed class hatred and racial hostility in the pursuit of state socialism. It is clear that his 2008 campaign slogan of “hope and change” was really a thinly veiled rallying cry, not to save the nation, but to precipitate the downfall of American capitalism.

Jeffrey T. Kuhner is a columnist at The Washington Times and president of the Edmund Burke Institute.



He's right. This is an attempt by the far-left to save Obama's presidency. They're giving everything they got and trying to beat the incoming financial implosion that will guarantee he doesn't get reelected.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #226 on: October 06, 2011, 08:56:30 PM »
Wall Street Responsible For One-Third Of Obama's Campaign Funds (July 22, 2011)
Business Insider ^ | Jul. 22, 2011 | Ricky Kreitner
Posted on October 6, 2011 3:34:59 PM EDT by Qbert

One-third of the Obama re-election campaign's record-breaking second-quarter fundraising came from sources associated with the financial sector, the Washington Post reports.

That percentage is up from the 20% of donations that came from Wall Street donors in 2008, and contradicts reports that a growing Wall Street animosity towards the Obama administration may jeopardize his re-election bid.

Obama's $86 million haul set a record for incumbent fundraising at this point in an election campaign. While the campaign has downplayed the larger donations by emphasizing that the average donation was $69, it also released a list of contributions by "bundlers;" those who can "bundle" more than $50,000 in contributions from friends, relatives and business associates.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #227 on: October 06, 2011, 09:01:23 PM »
(The Washington Times) — President Obama’s shock troops are marching in the streets. Occupy Wall Street — a movement composed of communists, anarchists, socialists and anti-globalization student radicals — is spreading. Protests have swelled in cities including New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago, Denver and Philadelphia. The protesters are gaining influence and numbers. A ragtag group of hippie students has turned into a potent political force.

Occupy Wall Street seeks to demonize big banks, large corporations and capitalism. Its goal is to overturn America’s economic structure. The protesters are calling for wealth redistribution, fees on bank profits and massive tax increases on the rich. Many are demanding a socialist revolution — the confiscation of private property and nationalization of the economy. They are the heirs of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and Vladimir Lenin. Their aim is to impose the hammer and sickle upon America.

Leftist radicals, such as Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky, have endorsed the anti-capitalist movement. Both men have glorified authoritarian communist regimes — Fidel Castro’s Cuba, Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela and the old Soviet Union. Their hatred for America has found expression in the rabble on the streets of New York and Washington. Actress Roseanne Barr even has called for the return of the “guillotine.” She wants bankers to be sent to “re-education camps,” and if they still refuse to hand over their profits, they should be beheaded, she says. This is the language of revolutionary terror and Marxist violence.

Mr. Obama has said he “sympathizes” with the protesters — especially their anger at Wall Street and “fat-cat” bankers. For years, he has demonized billionaires and millionaires, jet owners and corporate America. His divisive, irresponsible rhetoric has laid the groundwork for Occupy Wall Street.

The White House connection is even deeper. The protest’s main players all have ties to the Obama administration. Its primary organizer is former Obama “green-jobs czar” Van Jones. Mr. Jones is a self-avowed communist and follower of Saul Alinsky, the radical community organizer who also was Mr. Obama’s intellectual mentor. Mr. Jones said October is the month of the long-awaited “progressive offensive” — the watershed moment when students, labor unions, socialists and civil rights activists coalesce into an anti-Tea Party to blunt Middle America’s growing opposition to Mr. Obama.

Occupy Wall Street also is being supported by MoveOn.org. The group was one of the first to back Mr. Obama’s presidential candidacy when he was still an obscure senator from Illinois. The protests are being funded by socialist billionaire George Soros — a key Obama ally. And the protesters are being joined by big labor, the administration’s most powerful constituency.

Hence, Occupy Wall Street is not a spontaneous uprising of disenchanted citizens frustrated with corporate plutocracy and capitalist excess. Rather, it is a planned, manufactured attempt to prop up Mr. Obama’s failed presidency. It is a page taken straight from the Alinsky playbook: Demonize bankers and businessmen in order to divert attention from the real source of our economic woes, Mr. Obama’s policies.

The president inherited a recession, and he has deepened it. His out-of-control spending and trillion-dollar deficits have brought us to the brink of bankruptcy. America’s debt credit rating has been downgraded. Growth has slowed to less than 1 percent. Unemployment has risen above 9 percent. Inflation is rising as consumer confidence declines. Obamacare is strangling job creation and business investment. Mr. Obama has waged war upon the private sector. If those students are truly angry about joblessness and a bleak future, they should direct their fury at the president.

Instead, they mouth leftist pieties. They are a spoiled, dependent and illiterate generation that believes it is entitled to government handouts, state coddling and permanent prosperity. They don’t wish to be self-reliant and make their own way; rather, they want others — successful, productive members of society — to transfer their hard-earned money to subsidize their indolence. They are the kind of deadbeats the welfare state eventually produces — lazy, whining and shameless.

Alinsky argued that an economic crisis inevitably fosters a political crisis. The key for the hard left was to take advantage of our misery to seize power and impose a socialist regime. By sowing street mayhem, Occupy Wall Street is hoping to demoralize and distract Middle America into believing big business is the evil culprit for the financial collapse. The very opposite, however, is true. Meddlesome government intervention caused the housing bubble, the subprime mortgage debacle and the reckless bank lending practices that triggered the Great Recession. The way out is not more statism; it is less. Only a vibrant free market can restore economic recovery and stimulate job growth.

The protesters are not interested in real solutions. They are political activists masquerading as concerned citizens. Progressives are desperate to keep Mr. Obama in office. This is why the president is deliberately encouraging Occupy Wall Street. He hopes to create enough bedlam and then target Republicans, the Tea Party and the rich. He is pursuing the Alinsky strategy of divide and conquer, pitting interest groups and different classes against each other.

Mr. Obama has unleashed class hatred and racial hostility in the pursuit of state socialism. It is clear that his 2008 campaign slogan of “hope and change” was really a thinly veiled rallying cry, not to save the nation, but to precipitate the downfall of American capitalism.

Jeffrey T. Kuhner is a columnist at The Washington Times and president of the Edmund Burke Institute.



He's right. This is an attempt by the far-left to save Obama's presidency. They're giving everything they got and trying to beat the incoming financial implosion that will guarantee he doesn't get reelected.


I don't know, I wish I was there. I'm seeing and hearing many different things.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #228 on: October 06, 2011, 10:10:50 PM »
Wall Street Responsible For One-Third Of Obama's Campaign Funds (July 22, 2011)
Business Insider ^ | Jul. 22, 2011 | Ricky Kreitner
Posted on October 6, 2011 3:34:59 PM EDT by Qbert

One-third of the Obama re-election campaign's record-breaking second-quarter fundraising came from sources associated with the financial sector, the Washington Post reports.

That percentage is up from the 20% of donations that came from Wall Street donors in 2008, and contradicts reports that a growing Wall Street animosity towards the Obama administration may jeopardize his re-election bid.

Obama's $86 million haul set a record for incumbent fundraising at this point in an election campaign. While the campaign has downplayed the larger donations by emphasizing that the average donation was $69, it also released a list of contributions by "bundlers;" those who can "bundle" more than $50,000 in contributions from friends, relatives and business associates.

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I`ve tried to explain to you that Obama thinks these Wall Street Protesting Kooks are largely morons.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #229 on: October 06, 2011, 10:16:18 PM »
Here is a another and what I think more accurate view of whats happening there.


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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #230 on: October 07, 2011, 03:29:23 AM »
I am also hearing there are a lot of young people mixed in there that are libertarian/conservatives.  They are trying to shift the focus from Wall Street/Capitalism to the Federal Reserve System.  Soros and Obama are just co-opting the movement just like the neo cons co-opted the Tea Party.   
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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #231 on: October 07, 2011, 05:36:30 AM »
Occupy Wall Street Could be Disaster for Democrats
Commentary Magazine ^ | 10-4-11 | Abe Greenwald




You know real change is upon us because the celebrity left has come together. Susan Sarandon, Russell Simmons​, Michael Moore, Roseanne Barr, Mark Ruffalo, Yoko Ono, and Alec Baldwin are speaking out. And when this many famous millionaires get preachy at the same time it can only mean one thing: they’ve had it up to here with the rich.

Just as when hundreds of protestors claim police brutality their next logical step is to demand a larger and more powerful state, of course.

If you’re having problems grasping the nuances of the Occupy Wall Street movement, you haven’t been paying attention to the present-day left. And good for you.

The self-demonizing millionaires and state-worshipping police haters barely scratch the surface of the ideological dyslexia at work. One Occupy Wall Street member’s proposed “list of demands” calls first for nativist “trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market,” and then for one-worldist “open borders migration,” so that “anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.” The document, like the motivation behind it, is a hodgepodge of paranoia, entitlement, self-pity, self-righteousness, class warfare, and economic illiteracy. If this spotty protest moment becomes broad-based and loud the thorough airing of modern-day leftism will prove to be a conservative’s election-year dream come true.

On Monday, with Occupy Wall Street spawning copycat demonstrations in Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and elsewhere, the Washington Post’s E.J. Dionne asked hopefully, “Can the left stage a Tea Party?” I don’t know if it can but if I were a GOP strategist I’d be praying that it does.

The true leftist agenda is so surreal Republicans couldn’t satirize it if they tried. (“Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.”) These leftists are so reckless that an extended, high profile “occupation” movement of national reach would bury liberalism months before November 2012. It would, in short, function for Democrats exactly as Democrats had hoped (in vain) that the Tea Party would function for Republicans in 2010. In unhinged “Occupiers,” conservatives would find an easy and clean target to run against and destroy. What’s more, this would force Barack Obama either to publicly walk back all the class-warfare rhetoric that the protesters have taken to heart or to sink as one of their number. He has long nurtured dual personae, vacillating in political style between inflammatory community-organizer and conciliatory high-office holder. A large national Occupier movement would require him to end that game once and for all.

Tea Partiers didn’t dash conservative hopes in 2010 because they were on the right side of history. While they demanded smaller government and less spending we watched Europe nearly collapse under the weight of regulation and entitlements. Their message made sense to Americans. But watching Russell Simmons—the anti-capitalist zillionaire—meditate with nose-pierced 20-somethings on the hope that more stimulus will fall like rain is unlikely to sway independent voters. In the age of Solyndra, the Occupiers’ call for “a fast track process” to bring “the alternative energy economy up to energy demand,” (Demand Five) isn’t going to resonate. Protestors’ appeal for the U.S. to stop supporting Israel is a non-starter in an America where Christian conservatives and Jewish liberals have been holding Obama’s feet to the fire on his hostility to the Jewish state.

With all these ill-suited messages and hypocritical messengers it’s easy to overlook the one timely half-truth among the Occupiers’ gripes: government and big business have grown entirely too close. I say half-truth because the protestors fail to understand that the road to change runs through Washington and not Wall Street. As long as government tries to pick private-sector winners, green or otherwise, corporatism endures. And as long as regulatory regimes prohibit large-scale investment by all but the most seasoned lobbyists, the market will remain less open than it should be. Those have never been easy points for conservatives to make, but with the incoherent Occupy Wall Street taking the opposite position the American public might first be more open to a little counterintuitive analysis.



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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #232 on: October 07, 2011, 06:21:06 AM »
I want nothing to do with this mess. 




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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #233 on: October 07, 2011, 06:26:36 AM »
THE WALL STREET PROTEST
boblonsberry.com ^ | 10/07/11 | bob Lonsberry




Every dog has fleas.


Blood-sucking fleas that crawl on it and mooch off it.


Just like society.


Dogs have fleas and society has Democrats.


Or socialists or anarchists or unionists or environmentalists or whatever you want to call the dregs of humanity having free love on the sidewalks of Wall Street.


It’s been going on for three weeks now and has in recent days built to a fever pitch.


At least among the network reporters.


Who honestly seem sexually aroused by the whole thing.


Each newscast features some vapid, breathless idiot yammering into a camera about corporate greed and the unemployment rate and bank bailouts and how the common people are finally being heard.


The Arab spring comes to America.


And the coffee-klatch communists couldn’t be happier. The leftists who hate this country have convinced themselves they can bring it down. And in this and copy-cat demonstrations across big-city America, they’ve all but burned the flag.

In short, the Obama campaign has begun.


First the banks, then capitalism, then a communist paradise. A world in which unemployed 24-year-old idiots talk about how the rich have robbed them.


Somewhere in hell, Karl Marx is high-fiving everyone he sees.


So let’s shine some light on this.


First of all, there is nothing in the size of this or the message of this that is either new or unusual. This is the Democrat attempt at a tea party, the same collection of rabble that protests the war most weeks in front of the federal building. These are the folks who are sure that if you only go vegan, eliminate your carbon footprint, legalize marijuana, join a union, donate to Obama and curse Sarah Palin that everything will be alright.


These are the same folks who protest economic summits and Republican debates.


Don’t you recognize the body odor?


These are folks who are more apt to have an EBT card than a clue.


They are society’s fleas.


And while most of America laughs at them, the media lionizes them and holds them up as an enlightened and idealistic generation rising to liberate America from commerce and profit. Our stupidest people are depicted on the evening news as being our most astute.


Somehow, people who’ve never produced a damn thing in their lives are empowered to criticize and attack those who have.


It is society biting the hand that feeds it.


Because this much is certain: It is America’s banking and business sectors, operating in a free society and economy, which have made this country great and provided it with its astounding level of prosperity.


Of course, it is that level of prosperity that most disgusts these people. They seem to be fighting for a society of equally debased welfare recipients. A world in which merit is mocked and dependence is encouraged.


Neither banks nor corporations are perfect, but these imperfect tools have lifted America higher than any other nation on earth.


For most working Americans, the boss is a corporation. For most retiring Americans, it is stocks in corporations that provide the growth in a 401k. These corporations which are being cursed and condemned are the bread and butter of American prosperity.


Yes, small businesses comprise 90 percent of America’s businesses. But they employ just 20 percent of America’s workers. In the private sector, it is the corporation that creates the most jobs and employs the most people.


An attack on corporations is an attack on us all. They employ us, they enrich us, they pay taxes. And they produce products and services that are useful and desirable.


And without the capital and lending of banks, we would be subsistence farmers. It is the concentrated power of capital which has allowed for everything from the Erie Canal to the iPhone. Without banks you don’t have a job, you don’t have a house, you don’t have stores to shop in.


Without banks and corporations, you have a Third World economy and periodic famine.


Of course, with most liberal policies – if you implemented the various causes of these demonstrators – you would have a Third World economy and periodic famine.


So let’s call a spade a spade.


These demonstrations are about galvanizing the Democratic base. Poor leaders always strengthen themselves through hate. Hitler had Jews, Jim Crow had blacks, Democrats have corporations, banks and “the rich.” Different degrees, same principle – unite your followers by fomenting and harnessing their hate.


Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress have failed, to either lead the country or effectively implement their followers principles. Recognizing that without the base they have no chance of retaining power, the Democrat rabble rousers have burned the proverbial Reichstag.


Hate the banks, hate the rich, hate the Republicans.


And vote for Barack.


That’s what these demonstrations are about.



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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #234 on: October 07, 2011, 07:10:33 AM »
Video Exposing Occupy Wall Street Organized From Day One by SEIU ACORN Front (Obama)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/video-exposing-occupy-wall-street-was-organized-from-day-one-by-seiu-acorn-front-the-working-family-party-and-how-they-all-tie-to-the-obama-administration-dnc-democratic-socialists-of-america

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Breakdown of the Connections Between The Working Family Party, SEIU, ACORN, The New Party, The DNC, Democratic Socialists of America, Tides, George Soros and The Obama Administration

Patrick Gaspard, the current executive director of the DNC, former director of Obama’s Office of Political Affairs, was an organizer for the New Party, the executive vice president of the SEIU Local 1199, political director for Bertha Lewis the former president of ACORN and a co-chair of the Working Families Party.

The New Party’s influential Chicago chapter began to formed in January 1995. Its members consisted mainly of individuals from ACORN, SEIU and the Democratic Socialists of America. Obama attend a New Party function and received their endorsement in 1995.


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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #235 on: October 07, 2011, 09:06:15 AM »
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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #236 on: October 07, 2011, 10:03:12 AM »
Sounds to me like a lot of people are afraid of this movement. 

BTW adbusters from Vancouver, Canada proposed the whole idea not SEIU or whatever is proposed here.  Sure unions and other groups get in on it, they all want to politicize it. 

Whether or not you agree with them this is a valid democratic movement.

Perhaps this will lead to Socialist Democracy!
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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #237 on: October 07, 2011, 10:04:20 AM »
No quite fool.   These dopers, druggies, degenerates, and dirtbags need to STFU and get a job.   

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« Reply #238 on: October 07, 2011, 10:08:20 AM »
No quite fool.   These dopers, druggies, degenerates, and dirtbags need to STFU and get a job.   

I'm sure some of them are bums and dregs looking for something to do.  For a lot of them however, this is a valid democratic outcry against what they perceive to be an injustice in our country.  Good for them. 
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« Reply #239 on: October 07, 2011, 10:09:21 AM »
I'm sure some of them are bums and dregs looking for something to do.  For a lot of them however, this is a valid democratic outcry against what they perceive to be an injustice in our country.  Good for them. 

Where were they when the priginal tea party sprung up against the Fed? 

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #240 on: October 07, 2011, 10:13:34 AM »
For Jon Stewart: 10 Major Ways OWS Is NOT Like the Tea Party
Vocal Minority ^ | 10/7/11 | EricTheRed




Ya know, sometimes the Daily Show’s Jon Stewart gets it right. In fact, I’ve even commended him on this blog when he does.

 This, however, is not one of these times. Wednesday night he wondered out loud why conservatives were criticizing the Occupy Wall Street protests now going on nationwide, arguing:

I don’t get it! Here’s a group of Americans, disenchanted, railing against big government bailouts, angry because they played by the rules, worked hard, now they’re in debt from student loans and they’re unemployed… I mean, look, if this thing turns into throwing trash cans into Starbucks windows, nobody’s going to be down with that. We all love Starbucks.

But these protesters, how are they not like the Tea Party? Alright, some of them, you know, smoke and have pants made out of pot. So call them the THC Party. Aren’t these folks real citizens with real problems? Aren’t they also speaking for America?

I guess an adequate proficiency in criticial thinking skills was not a requirement for Stewart’s position at Comedy Central.

OK, Jon, really? You actually need it explained to you how OWS is not like the Tea Party? Other than at the former they’re smoking lots of weed. Fine …

Of course, I’m not the first one to note the obiously stark contrasts between OWS and TP. Wednesday morning, even before Stewart’s broadcast, my girl Ann (Coulter) wrote:

I am not the first to note the vast differences between the Wall Street protesters and the tea partiers. To name three: The tea partiers have jobs, showers and a point.

No one knows what the Wall Street protesters want—as is typical of mobs. They say they want Obama re-elected, but claim to hate “Wall Street.” You know, the same Wall Street that gave its largest campaign donation in history to Obama, who, in turn, bailed out the banks and made Goldman Sachs the fourth branch of government.

This would be like opposing fattening, processed foods, but cheering Michael Moore—which the protesters also did this week.

But to me, the most striking difference between the tea partiers and the “Occupy Wall Street” crowd—besides the smell of patchouli—is how liberal protesters must claim their every gathering is historic and heroic. …

The modern tea partiers never went around narcissistically comparing themselves to Gen. George Washington. And yet they are the ones who have engaged in the kind of political activity Washington fought for.

The Tea Party name is meant in fun, inspired by an amusing rant from CNBC’s Rick Santelli in February 2009, when he called for another Tea Party in response to Obama’s plan to bail-out irresponsible mortgagers.

The tea partiers didn’t arrogantly claim to be drafting a new Declaration of Independence. They’re perfectly happy with the original.

Tea partiers didn’t block traffic, sleep on sidewalks, wear ski masks, fight with the police or urinate in public. They read the Constitution, made serious policy arguments, and petitioned the government against Obama’s unconstitutional big government policies, especially the stimulus bill and Obamacare.

Then they picked up their own trash and quietly went home. Apparently, a lot of them had to be at work in the morning.

In the two years following the movement’s inception, the Tea Party played a major role in turning Teddy Kennedy’s seat over to a Republican, making the sainted Chris Christie governor of New Jersey, and winning a gargantuan, historic Republican landslide in the 2010 elections. They are probably going to succeed in throwing out a president in next year’s election. …

So, if I may humbly pick up where Coulter left off, here are just a few way that OWS is completely different from the TP:

1. The Tea Party’s key demand is to restore the size and reach of government to that enshrined by the Framers in the Constitution. The Tea Party wants lower taxes, less regulation, less federal spending, and less intervention by the federal government into citizen’s private lives and businesses. To reiterate, the Tea Party’s rule book is the U.S. Constitution; they want to restore America to what it was supposed to be, as prescribed by the Framers. Thus, the Tea Party’s goals are spec ifically and uniquely American.

By stark contrast, the demands of OWS are for more taxes, more regulation, more federal spending (on them, of course), and more government intervention in people’s private lives and businesses (not theirs of course, just those of the eeeeevil rich).

Have you even seen a reference to the Founding Documents at an OWS? Of course not. Then there would be no room to display to Marx and Lenin literature. If you listen to any of the myriad demands of OWS attendees, it is clear they seek a revolution (their words, not mine) and start from scratch based on a Marxist-socialist model. Thus, OWS’s goals are spec ifically and uniquely un-American. They are not, as Jon Stewart ridiculous suggested “speaking for America.”

2. The Tea Party consists predominantly of the nation’s producers, those who own businesses and employ people, older citizens who have worked their entire lives to secure a home and retirement but who are seeing the value of their investments plummet and the financial security of their offspring diminish. They are, as Obama likes to say, “working Americans.” They value success and don’t want to see it punished—by the government or anyone.

On the other hand, The so-called occupants of Wall Street are primarily aging hippies, avowed Marxists and socialists, professional protesters like MoveOn.org and Code Pink, and tattooed, multiple-earringed, rainbow-haired twentysomethings who in all their years of college apparently never learned one single damn thing about how the economy works. They resent success and exist precisely to see it punished.

3. One can safely guess Tea Partiers are mostly members of the 53% who pay some sort of the share of the nation’s income tax burden. From them you’ll hear messages of personal responsibility, hard work, and absolute moral standards that are essential for a prosperous civil society.

On the other hand, despite their martyr-like “99%” moniker, it would be safe to say that OWS participants are part of the 47% of Americans who receive rather than contribute to the income tax burden of the U.S. They are members of your quintessential entitlement generation, having been reared in a liberal-dominated educational system rooted in self-esteem, multiculturalism, and a “whatever feels right is right” code of morality. Their sense of personal responsibility is as developed as the horns growing out of my Jewish head.

4. Whereas the Tea Party was falsely accused of being corporate-funded conservative-media-backed “astroturf,” when it is a legitimely grassroots movement, there’s evidence that OWJ has big-powered and big-moneyed support, including unions and Hollywood useful idiots like Michael Moore and Susan Sarandon.

5. As documented by Brent Bozell and the folks at NewsBusters, the peaceful assemblies known as the Tea Party have been fallaciously depicted by the mainstream media as violent, angry, dangerous, and extremist mobs.

By stark contrast, the actually violent, angry, dangerous, and extremist mobs called OWS have been championed by the MSM as the nation’s most beautiful display of democracy in action. The blatantly biased culprits include the NY Times, CNN, NBC, the NY Times again, NBC again, ABC and the NY Times yet again.

6. The Tea Party was (and still is) relentlessly smeared by the highest officials in the federal government. A prime example is Nancy Pelosi. Keeping his own hands clean, Obama gleefully allowed then-House Majority Speaker to swing mercilessly at them. First, she accused them of being “astroturf” being funded by big-moneyed people. Then, she likened them to Nazis and spun public tales about seeing swastikaaaaahs. She mocked them in March, 2010, as she emerged from the Capitol building upon the passage of the Obama(S)care bill, wielding that huge gavel and cackling like the Wicked Witch of the West as she walked through an understandably angry crowd. She also said the Tea Party’s supposedly violent rhetoric reminded her of the social unrest that occurred in San Francisco in 1978, the year gay mayor Harvey Milk was murdered.

The actually violent, physically threatening OWS? Politico reports:

“God bless them for their spontaneity,” Pelosi told reporters. “It’s young, it’s spontaneous, it’s focused and it’s going to be effective.” Queen Nancy also said, “The focus is on Wall Street and justifiably so,” Pelosi said. “The message of the American people is that no longer … will the recklessness of some on Wall Street cause massive joblessness on Main Street.”

Actually, the focus on Wall Street is not justified, San Fran Nan. Rather, the correct message is that the recklessness of you and your fellow Democrats in Congress and the White House is what has caused massive joblessness on Main Street.” That was the message of the Tea Party, of course, and you have spent the past two years smearing and libeling them.

Veep Joe Biden has also recently smeared the Tea Party as “barbarians at the gate” in the presence of none other than the Community-Organizer-in-Chief himself. That was at the same event where Union thugster Jimmy Hoffa, Jr., said they needed to “take the sons of bitches out” and that those present were Obama’s army that were ‘ready to march,” also to Obama’s approval. So much for that New Civility Obama preached about this January in Tucson.

What about the malcontents at OWS? Yesterday Obama incredibly legitimized them by declaring that they “expresses the frustrations that the American people feel.”

No, that would be the Tea Party, you a-hole. (Oooooo, someone better let AttaaaaackWaaaaatch know I just called the president an a-hole!)

7. As far as I know, no one at a Tea Party has called for the targets being beheaded (compliments of Hollywood actress and “comedienne” Rosanne Barr) or eaten. I don’t believe a Tea Partier has suggested people kill their parents either, as did this clearly frustrated gay guy at OWS. While the Tea Party is accused of violent, hateful rhetoric despite no substantive evidence, the violent rhetoric of OWS is boldly on display.



Hell, even their name contains “occupy,” which is a military term meaning to overtake by means of physical force!

8. As far as I know, no throng of Tea Partiers has blocked traffic or overtaken bridges, nor have they started brawls with police and gotten pepper-sprayed and arrested on masse. This, of course, has been happening nationwide at OWS protests.

9. As far as I know, no Tea Partiers have blamed the Jews for our economic mess or hurled antisemitic slurs at people, such as at least four which have occurred at OWS rallies.


10. As far as I know, none of the lovely ladies of the Tea Party movement have gone topless or in bras to make their points. If, however, you’d like to see young ladies publicly brandishing their bras or bearing their breasts for their cause, please head to your nearest OWS protest [h/t Mike Haltman at the Political Commentator].


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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #241 on: October 07, 2011, 10:18:18 AM »
Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests
Fox News ^ | October 07, 2011 | Perry Chiaramonte




Owners of New York City's Zuccotti Park may be starting to get fed up with it being occupied.

Brookfield Office properties, the firm that owns the central location for the Occupy Wall Street protests, has released a statement claiming that they have not been able to properly maintain the park and that sanitation has become a growing concern.

"Because many of the protestors refuse to cooperate by adhering to the [park] rules, the park has not been cleaned since Friday, September 16th, and as a result, sanitary conditions have reached unacceptable levels," said in a written statement by the property management firm.

Brookfield normally cleans and inspects the condition of the park every night which includes a power washing, landscaping, and trash removal. They haven't been able to do so since the protestors have sent up a tent city as part of the protests.

"Basic rules intended to keep the park safe, open, clean, and welcoming to all visitors are clearly posted," the statement from Brookfield reads. "These rules includes bans on the erection of tents or other structures, as well as the placement of tarps, sleeping bags, or other coverings on the property.

"Unfortunately, many of the individuals currently occupying the grounds are ignoring these basic yet necessary requirements, which interferes with the use of the park by others."


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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #242 on: October 07, 2011, 10:21:23 AM »
Daily Caller Uncovers ‘Occupy DC’ Organizer Admitting To Paying Protestors (AstroTurf)
Mediatie ^ | 10-7-11 | James Crugnale




While the Occupy Wall Street movement has captured the imagination of genuine activists nationwide, intrepid libertarian reporter Michelle Fields for The Daily Caller uncovered that some protestors were being paid off to attend one of the rallies in Washington DC. “Some of them are volunteers. Some of them aren’t. I can’t identify them. I’m not going to get into an identification game,” admitted an organizer from DC Tenants Advocacy Coalition, a group that advocates for affordable housing.

Fields attended an Occupy DC rally Thursday and spoke to small group of Hispanic protestors who just happened to march right by her. Fields, who is Honduran and a native Spanish speaker, questioned the protesters why they were there, and “some Hispanic protesters holding up English protest signs could not articulate what their signs said.”

“I spoke to them in Spanish because some of them couldn’t speak English,” Fields told Mediaite. “Others felt more comfortable speaking in Spanish.”

It appears that Field’s questioning in Spanish may have spooked the organizer into divulging his actions for the camera.

Now the video has gone viral in the conservative blogosphere and opponents of the Occupy Wall Street movement can point to this as signs of astroturfing among the rabble rousers.

Fields will be on Your World with Neil Cavuto to discuss the video later this afternoon.


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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke
« Reply #243 on: October 07, 2011, 10:28:50 AM »
Company that owns Zuccotti "Protester" Park Just got 168 Million Loan Guarantee from Obama DOE!!!!...Thick as Thieves!!!!



Ok Sorry I let the cat out of the bag in the title...but this is huge news that I have seen nowhere else!...

I don't think this has been connected yet....read and enjoy!


Sooo...I ask myself a simple question...how can these protesters be all camped up in this Zuccotti Park right in the middle of downtown Manhattan and nobody is even telling them "Move along"...now the park is in a nice area..hell it's right in the financial district...a very nice area. They are trashing the place, that's coming from the people down there, not my assessment. Now there are usual park rules there...no sleeping on benches...no overnight sleep outs...the typical and mundane rules etc etc. This park also routinely gets cleaned every night, now it hasn't been cleaned since sept 16th...and it's becoming a "sanitary problem"...I'm sure that's no exaggeration with people pissing and god knows what else all night long in the park...so it's no stretch to imagine how cruddy it is by now.

You can read one of the many articles here about that...

[link to gothamist.com]

So apparently since the park is private property and owned by a big multi faceted and multi asset international corporation....oooohhh.. .remember when they were they EVIL!!!! Bad multinational conglomerate!...what are we protesting again Mindy Moonunit?...I forgot...errrp...so anyway...the owner of this property among many others is "Brookfield Office properties"...they are part of Brookfield Asset Management Inc...bigass company worth around 150 billion or more...

So Mayor Bloomberg says there's nothing really he can do until BPO decides the protesters ought to be evicted and they were nice enough to issue this public statement saying they weren't going to do that....awww...see how nice?...Well I would guess that if Mr Liberal Mike Bloomberg felt like asking them he probably could....

BECAUSE HIS LONG TIME LIVE-IN GIRLFRIEND IS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS!!!..

Yes that's correct...NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg's long time lady Diana L. Taylor is on the board of directors for Brookfeild Properties...

Here she is here:

[link to www.brookfieldofficeprop erties.com]


and here..

[link to topics.nytimes.com]

Now this seems to be fairly common knowledge to some in NYC, but it certainly is NOT being reported in the news at all...So the Mayor who claims his hands are tied?...maybe not so tied since his woman is on the board of the property owners...

So what else is this Brookfield outfit up to?....

Well we got the namesake...John E. Zuccotti he's on the board of BPO...so who is he?...well Mr Zuccotti was on the Board of directors of WELL POINT HEALTH NETWORK...for years...remember them?...they were THE most Evil health insurance company just yanking the po sheeples benefits away that only Obamacare could save us! from...in fact Obama went for the throat in rhetoric on them...I find that highly ironic that the protestanistas are camped out in a park named after a board member of one of the most demonized and the largest and most evil health insurer in the country...lol...what we potestin again Mandy?....lol.....dumfuks...

You can read about him here:

[link to people.forbes.com]

Ok so more ironic than sinister...so what else is Brookfield up to...

Well BPO...that's just the property division who might they donate money too?...they are a multi billion division...so they probably give some good bucks out...well not so much, not publicly anyway...they did however hire a lobbyist firm for a couple years several years back, paid them a couple hundred grand over 2 years...in fact was there largest client in their first year.

Little start up lobbyist outfit named....

Oldaker, Biden & Belair

Nahhhh...ya think?....oh yes you thought right...that is the Biden name of VP Joe Biden fame and that Biden is his son..Robert Hunter Biden...

Can check that below and I won't even bother getting into how Hunter was on the board of Amtrak while Joe "Mr Amtrak" Biden was pouring money into that sucking vortex of money waste.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.opensecrets.org]

[link to www.opensecrets.org]


So....so far we got the Mayors defacto wife on the board of directors and some old payments to the Vice Presidents son's lobbying firm...there must be more..this huge corporation is just coming off as far too nice....even with the Mayors wife on the Board...the Bloombergs are only luke warm with the Obama's anyway...and I'm sure they don't like the protesters stinkin up some one the nicest areas downtown...so there has to be more pull somewhere...

Well there probably is....and it's a bit higher up the food chain...

One of the big divisions of Brookfield Asset Management inc is...
Brookfield renewable power...and guess who's govt has an ASSLOAD of Green energy money...stimulus money...federal loan guarantees and all that money moving right to the very same property owning multinational conglomerate that owns that dinky little park....OUR FUCKING GOVT...

Here's just a few and I'm sure we could find a TON more if we wanted to look a little deeper.

Peanut mil or 3 grant to make a turbine that will harm less fish for hydro electric plants being tested at Brookfield Renewable Power School Street Project in Cohoes, New York

[link to www.lloydgcarter.com]

Local49 is happy about this stimulus funded hydro-electro plant in Minnesota..price tag to the stimuloss package unknown.

[link to www.local49.org]

Brookfield Renewable Power

This company traces its history back to a Brazilian electric utility incorporated in 1899; today, it's headquartered in West Virginia and manages renewable energy projects in the U.S., Brazil and Canada, including 167 hydroelectric stations and two wind farms. A publicly traded company, Brookfield maintains stable revenues thanks to long-term power contracts, and uses this advantage to help pioneer next-generation projects in wind and thermal energy. Besides specializing in renewable energy, the company has also donated nearly $4 million to local sustainability projects. Brookfield also voluntarily meets the low-impact standards put forward by the Ecologo Program and the Low Impact Hydropower Institute.

Brookfield is currently working on a wind energy project in Coos County, New Hampshire, financed in part with the Department of Energy’s partial guarantee of $135.8 million in loans. The Department of Energy says the project will result in 198 construction jobs and and save some 12,000 tons of carbon pollution once it is up and running.

Wow 198 temporary jobs?...that's less than a million a pop, pretty good by govt standards!..

[link to www.good.is]


Hmmmm...this is odd....they have almost half of their 168 power generating stations in.....New York....

[link to www.brookfield.com]

Massive move being made here....huge bet on "Green Energy"

Brookfield to merge hydro power assets into global renewable energy powerhouse September 13, 2011

Brookfield Asset Management is looking to merge its hydroelectric and wind power assets into the world's second-largest public renewable power company in a move designed to cash in on the growing demand for cleaner power.

The conglomerate said Tuesday it plans to combine Brookfield Renewable Power Fund's (TSX:BRC.UN) hydroelectric stations and wind farms with those of its wholly owned subsidiary Brookfield Renewable Power Inc.

The merger would create Brookfield Renewable Energy Partners LP — or BREP — a global, publicly traded partnership focused on renewable power, primarily hydroelectric, in Canada, the United States and Brazil with assets of about US$13 billion.

[link to www.canadianbusiness.com]

whoops...price of poker went up another 30 million...

A NH Solyndra? Wind farm gets fed loan


In the name of “green energy,” the Obama administration is using taxpayer money to subsidize a New Hampshire wind farm that is a subsidiary of a hugely profitable company.

New Hampshire’s largest wind farm, the Granite Reliable Power project under construction in Coos County, is jointly owned by BAIF Granite Holdings, LLC and Freshnet Wind Energy, LLC. BAIF owns 75 percent of Granite Reliable. BAIF Granite Holdings was created earlier this year by Brookfield Renewable Power, which is a subsidiary of Brookfield Asset Management of New York.

That company, which runs clean energy operations around the world, has deep pockets. It reported net income of $454 million in 2009 and $3.2 billion in 2010. Brookfield Renewable Power financed the creation of BAIF Granite Holdings from its Brookfield Americas Infrastructure fund, which was reported in February to have $2.7 billion in assets. With that kind of backing, it is curious that the U.S. Department of Energy announced it would guarantee up to 80 percent of a $168.9 million loan for the Granite Reliable wind farm project last week.

[link to www.unionleader.com]


Department of Energy Finalizes Loan Guarantee of Nearly $170 Million to Granite Reliable Power

September 23, 2011 - 3:31pm

Washington, D.C. – U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu announced today the Department of Energy finalized a partial guarantee for $168.9 million loan to Granite Reliable Power, LLC. The loan guarantee will support a 99 megawatt (MW) wind generation project that will be New Hampshire’s largest wind farm.

[link to energy.gov]


Well now...454 Million net income in the 2009 and 3.2 billion in 2010....that's quite a rise in profits...

Now.....why would a huge and very rich company that had 3.2 Billion dollars in profits in 2010 need or be able to get a Loan guarantee for 168 million...which the Dept Of Energy announced finalizing on....Sept 23rd 2011....not long after the OWS protests started really getting going...a 168 million dollar loan guarantee with no visible reason why behind it....to the very same corporation that owns the very same Zuccotti park the protesters are camped out in....

Maybe they ought to form a circular protesting squad....

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke - Obama False Flag OP and Commie Astroturf
« Reply #244 on: October 07, 2011, 10:38:12 AM »
BUMP - I freaking knew it from day one! ! ! ! 


Fuck you to those fools who doubt me.   

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke - Obama False Flag OP and Commie Astroturf
« Reply #245 on: October 07, 2011, 10:45:42 AM »
Good work by this guy.   

Can't wait for the dupes to explain this.   

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke - Obama False Flag OP and Commie Astroturf
« Reply #246 on: October 07, 2011, 01:14:24 PM »
'some' people now makes it astroturf? hahaha this started as a legit democratic movement.  If some interest groups have jumped on the bandwagon it is no different than what happened to the tea party and it's billionaire koch sponsors. 

It does not distort the strong message they are sending.  That message is clear - the current system does not work.

Bring on the socialist democracy!
Abandon every hope...

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke - Obama False Flag OP and Commie Astroturf
« Reply #247 on: October 07, 2011, 06:30:10 PM »
Stinking up Wall Street one demonstrator defecating on a POLICE CAR (gross pictures)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-protesters-accused-turning-New-York-public-toilet-shocking-pictures-demonstrator-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html ^ | 10/07/2011
Posted on October 7, 2011 8:43:55 PM EDT by Beckett08

This are the shocking scenes that have led some people to accuse the Occupy Wall Street protesters living rough in New York's financial district of creating unsanitary and filthy conditions.

Exclusive pictures obtained by Mail Online show one demonstrator relieving himself on a police car.

Elsewhere we found piles of stinking refuse clogging Zucotti Park, despite the best efforts of many of the protestors to keep the area clean.

The shocking images demonstrate the extent to which conditions have deteriorated as demonstrations in downtown Manhattan enter their fourth week.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street = Joke - Obama False Flag OP and Commie Astroturf
« Reply #248 on: October 07, 2011, 06:33:29 PM »
This is Democracy in action!

This is wonderful!

Everyone should join!

The Tea Party racists are the extremists!

Don't you remember all of those well behaved, employed, adults defecating on cop cars?  ::)