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« on: October 08, 2011, 12:42:42 PM »

There he goes with his God talk again.   Smiley

Rep. Paul: War and abortion pose threats to liberty

(CNN) - Speaking in Washington on Saturday at the Values Voter Summit, presidential hopeful Ron Paul threaded much of his speech with his familiar anti-war themes and rallying cries for liberty.

"One of the greatest threats to family is war," Paul said. "It undermines the family."

The Texas congressman has been a consistent critic of U.S. involvement in military activity overseas. To a crowd of mostly social conservatives, Paul linked the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the nation's mounting debt and sluggish economy.

And lacing his speech with biblical undertones for his largely-Christian audience, he suggested the U.S. shape its foreign policy around the "Golden Rule."

Paul also compared present-day America to the Israelites in the Old Testament when they allowed a king to govern their nation.

"We have too often relied on our own 'king' in Washington," Paul said, referring to the federal government. "And we have to change that."

Later, he added: "I prefer a different king - the original king - and the instructions that come from our creator, not from the government."

Paul was one of seven GOP presidential candidates who spoke this weekend at the social conservative conference, sponsored by the Family Research Council.

The former obstetrician, who has said in the past he's delivered more than 4,000 babies, also touched on abortion, arguing against the practice as an affront to liberty.

"You cannot be a great defender of liberty if you do not defend and understand what life is all about and where it comes from," he said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/08/rep-paul-war-and-abortion-pose-threat-to-liberty/
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2011, 01:00:11 PM »

excellent.  The anti-war movement lost a huge ally when they dumped god.  On the abortion thing, I agree too.  Not sure what he thinks about abortion in cases of rape and legit reasons like that.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 03:14:15 PM »

excellent.  The anti-war movement lost a huge ally when they dumped god.  On the abortion thing, I agree too.  Not sure what he thinks about abortion in cases of rape and legit reasons like that.

You're religious now?
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2011, 03:16:29 PM »

excellent.  The anti-war movement lost a huge ally when they dumped god.


yeah, I don't remember anything about pre-emptive strikes in the bible.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2011, 03:23:37 PM »

I disagree with his abortion stance, particularly on the issue of when life begins.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 04:09:59 PM »

I knew this guy was to good to be true
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2011, 04:13:50 PM »

I knew this guy was to good to be true

why do you say that?  He has stated that his beliefs are his and he would never impose those on others.  As far as abortion goes I think I remember him talking about in life threatening situations to the mother an abortion would be permissible.  However, just going by his past stance that decision would be one up to the states and not the federal Govt.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2011, 04:18:01 PM »

why do you say that?  He has stated that his beliefs are his and he would never impose those on others.  As far as abortion goes I think I remember him talking about in life threatening situations to the mother an abortion would be permissible.  However, just going by his past stance that decision would be one up to the states and not the federal Govt.

If he keeps it to himself no worries
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2011, 05:00:08 PM »

If he keeps it to himself no worries
He doesn`t.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 05:03:16 PM »

He doesn`t.

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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2011, 05:05:53 PM »

How do you know?
Look at his voting record and his essays.  I have posted it before but will do so again if you have forgotten.
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 07:06:19 PM »

How do you know?

Statement of Faith
By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
The Covenant News ~ July 21, 2007

We live in times of great uncertainty when men of faith must stand up for our values and our traditions lest they be washed away in a sea of fear and relativism. As you likely know, I am running for President of the United States, and I am asking for your support.

I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

I have also acted to protect the lives of Americans by my adherence to the doctrine of “just war.” This doctrine, as articulated by Augustine, suggested that war must only be waged as a last resort--- for a discernible moral and public good, with the right intentions, vetted through established legal authorities (a constitutionally required declaration of the Congress), and with a likely probability of success.

It has been and remains my firm belief that the current United Nations-mandated, no-win police action in Iraq fails to meet the high moral threshold required to wage just war. That is why I have offered moral and practical opposition to the invasion, occupation and social engineering police exercise now underway in Iraq. It is my belief, borne out by five years of abject failure and tens of thousands of lost lives, that the Iraq operation has been a dangerous diversion from the rightful and appropriate focus of our efforts to bring to justice to the jihadists that have attacked us and seek still to undermine our nation, our values, and our way of life.

I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan. I also authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage aggression against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation.

On September 17, 2001, I stated on the house floor that “…striking out at six or eight or even ten different countries could well expand this war of which we wanted no part. Without defining the enemy there is no way to know our precise goal or to know when the war is over. Inadvertently more casual acceptance of civilian deaths as part of this war I'm certain will prolong the agony and increase the chances of even more American casualties. We must guard against this if at all possible.” I’m sorry to say that history has proven this to be true.

I am running for president to restore the rule of law and to stand up for our divinely inspired Constitution. I have never voted for legislation that is not specifically authorized by the Constitution. As president, I will never sign a piece of legislation, nor use the power of the executive, in a manner inconsistent with the limitations that the founders envisioned.

Many have given up on America as an exemplar for the world, as a model of freedom, self-government, and self-control. I have not. There is hope for America. I ask you to join me, and to be a part of it.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul

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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2011, 02:39:46 AM »

You're religious now?
freaking hell no.  I just know how many people are.  When the anti-war movement had Jesus on their side, lol, they got a lot more attention.  Now they're just dirty pot smoking hippies lol...  It's a little harder to justify running around the world bombing everyone into submission with Jesus.  At least it is for some christians.  Since Jesus was taken out of the anti-war movement, many more christians today don't seem to have a problem with war and their religion.  Might as well have kept it there, you don't have to be a believer to see that.
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 02:42:59 AM »

I knew this guy was to good to be true
Ron Paul has always been like this.  This isn't anything new.  He's said this stuff for a long ass time.  Good luck finding someone who matches everything you want him to be.  It's not happening and if it does, they're full of shit and probably saying different things depending on who they talk to.  With Paul, you get honesty and the same person no matter who he is talking with.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2011, 06:14:20 PM »

Ron Paul has always been like this.  This isn't anything new.  He's said this stuff for a long ass time.  Good luck finding someone who matches everything you want him to be.  It's not happening and if it does, they're full of shit and probably saying different things depending on who they talk to.  With Paul, you get honesty and the same person no matter who he is talking with.

Exactly.  I am not on par with everything he has but the majority is what matters.  I cannot stand Flip floppers.  I just want to be told exactly what they will do in the WH and follow through with it.  I fell for it with Obama but no more.
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2011, 06:12:15 AM »

He has to appeal to the evangelical vote if he is going to have any chance of winning the Primary.  He is still the most honest, common sense candidate up there and he doesn't try to force his beliefs on individuals like that douchebag Rick Santorum. (Is he even still in the race?)
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2011, 07:22:52 AM »

Ron Paul's tha man!
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2011, 04:07:06 PM »

Ron Paul's tha man!

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