Why MMA Could Get You Killed

[che]

at least not for me, my one and only kickboxing match my game plan went out the window when I got hit real hard

That's because you didn't have any experience , the same happened to me in the beginning (6-7  fights) ,the picture starts getting more clear as you gain more experience , then you are thinking the whole time .

[GraniteCityDon]

Rickson Gracie had OVER 450 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fights and NEVER EVER LOST to ANYONE ever , he is so masterful that he was thought about losing just to see what it felt like

a true Karate master would shit his gi looking across to Rickson 

I hope you are genuinely kidding with this post?

[Samourai Pizzacat]

Son, you really are a horse's ass.

Bah, you're no fun!

[apply85]

It was a regrettable experience, I was on the verge of dropping out of hs and thought maybe fighting was the way, changed my mind, it was not a hard match but I didn't like it. everone told me I had such great middle and low kicks, such good form, you can really whip that leg kid, but I couldn't really throw my body behind it. I watched him flinch and I didn't wanna hit him that hard, I got my grades back up after that, I had nightmares after that of hitting people and it not having any effect, or trying to break a door down and it not working like it does in the movies lol. That recurring dream is the only nightmare I ever had not counting a handful of other strange dreams

[NarcissisticDeity]

I hope you are genuinely kidding with this post?

Come on , what do you think?

[che]

It was a regrettable experience, I was on the verge of dropping out of hs and thought maybe fighting was the way, changed my mind, it was not a hard match but I didn't like it. everone told me I had such great middle and low kicks, such good form, you can really whip that leg kid, but I couldn't really throw my body behind it. I watched him flinch and I didn't wanna hit him that hard, I got my grades back up after that, I had nightmares after that of hitting people and it not having any effect, or trying to break a door down and it not working like it does in the movies lol. That recurring dream is the only nightmare I ever had not counting a handful of other strange dreams

Yep ,the fighting game isn't for everyone , I've trained many kids that after their first fight they never came back to the gym.

[devilsmile]

Yep ,the fighting game isn't for everyone , I've trained many kids that after their first fight they never came back to the gym.

I experienced the same fear when I was very young and did judo... the game started to be too tough and cold for a 12 year old spoiled brat like me. I had taken lessons for 3 years but then the coatches started to demand us taking fitness sessions in our spare time and their coatching started to be really aggressive and not so encouraging.

fighting is a mental thing.

[suckmymuscle]

That's a good idea Rorion

  Welcome to the year 1993!!!!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Welcome to the year 1993!!!!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 

I watched the first UFC back then , I was excited to see how things were finally go down , I honestly think I've seen every single one since.

[OneMoreRep]

There is absolutely no defense for when a man approaches you from behind and sticks his penis deep within your rectum, no defense whatsoever.

Ask any MMA master and they will tell you the same.

"1"

[suckmymuscle]

Why MMA will get you killed.
(from guest blogger Barry Gauntt)

MMA is great for the following things:
-fitness
-strength building
-confidence
-discipline and focus
-balance and reflexes

MMA is not good for the following things:
-combat
-weapons
-stealth and survival
-unarmed defense against weapons
-tactical movement

When you are in danger of loosing your life it is because of:
-armed attacker
-multiple attackers
-multiple armed attackers
-no avenue of escape

MMA teaches you to meet your “opponent head on”. That is great for sport but with weapons or with an unarmed enemy that means you deadly harm you must not move in too quickly. A real conflict requires mobility and that is hard to manage when you are grappling with someone. The next time you are rolling with your jujitsu buddies think about what would happen if they had guns or knives while they were grappling with you. The last place you want to be is all up in someone’s mix when the bullets are flying and the blades come out. That is why soldiers don’t choke people out, they use weapons and they grapple only to control an enemy. If you are trying to engage someone with empty hands then you have already failed to take the advantage form the start.

MMA teaches you to do certain things because you are not worried about attacks coming from certain angles or in certain positions. It trains you for the reality of the “cage fight” not the reality of a deadly brawl using weapons or lethal techniques. I can’t drop an elbow onto the back of your head where the spine meets the brain if I’m “on the mat” but in real life that is going to happen if some jack hole tries to get me with a double leg take down. Also I will cup my hands and force air into the inner ear as I slap at the sides of your head. Contrary to some popular beliefs it is almost impossible to fight with a ruptured ear drum and that is exactly what happens when you take a full strength open palm strike to the ear. Then there is biting, ripping, clawing and anything else that you can do to hurt the enemy. The point is training for sport makes you leave yourself open to deadly attacks that are forbidden in the “ring”. Why does this matter? If you don’t care about defense or survival then it doesn’t matter and you should focus on your sport. If you care about survival then recognize that real life and sports don’t have much in common so you must choose the system grounded in real conflict, not the arena.

If someone try’s to tackle me I’ll stab them, slash them and chop them like meat for my table. If someone tries to punch me I’ll take his fingers and maybe an ear. If they kick me I’ll puncture the inner thigh and groin severing a femoral and a bunch of tendons not to mention your junk. The problem with unarmed fighting is you are going to die- period. I will not show you mercy just because you don’t have a weapon, if you try and hurt me or my family I will crush your bones to powder as I savagely butcher your flesh. You would beg your god for deliverance before your world fades to black and I will have no sorrow for what I did because you gave me no choice but to act. That is what combat means to the non-athlete, it isn’t a spectacle of bright lights and fan fare. Combat means somebody dies- no one looks forward to that, not even those Special Forces guys who train to kill all day long. We are all people and we have feelings, it hurts to hurt others and if it didn’t the world would be a place of hellish conflict and ruthless survival. Maybe it already is.

  Of course no one is going to even use strikes in a real fight. Most likely, when it is an issue of survival at any costs, you will go straight to your opponent's eyes and balls. That is the fastest way to quickly demolish any opponent. Just watch chimpanzees fighting, and that is how a real fight to the death goes.

  And of course against weapons, even the most basic, no martial arts has any merits. Give even a baseball bat to a noob, and he will decimate 90% of black belts out there. When confronting someone armed with a firearm, the best "art" you can use is the art of persuassion. Tell him that he is about to ruin his life, that if he kills you he will not only spend the next decades in jail but will feel remorse for killing someone for the rest of his life, that his mother will be heartbroken, etc. Anything physical against someone with a firearm will almost certainly result in you dying. Stop watching movies, idiot.

  Now, MMA is much, much better for a real fight than karate. Are you kidding me? Try to do katas during a real fight to see what happens to you. In a real fight where you don't want to go to the sweet spots that allows you to disable your opponent instantly(eyes, fingers and balls), MMA is the closes thing that will work. You either use your fists in the guy's chin to KO him instantly, you kick him in the ribs or you use wrestling to take him down and then either hold him and beat him until he's unconscious, or use jiu-jitsu submissions to break his arms and disable him - you can't fight without arms just like you can't fight without eyes.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Radical Plato]

It was scientifically proven in the 90's that Karate was a gay underground cult, when the entire cast of The Karate Kid were found to be homosexual. True Story 

[Radical Plato]

 Of course no one is going to even use strikes in a real fight. Most likely, when it is an issue of survival at any costs, you will go straight to your opponent's eyes and balls. That is the fastest way to quickly demolish any opponent. Just watch chimpanzees fighting, and that is how a real fight to the death goes.

  And of course against weapons, even the most basic, no martial arts has any merits. Give even a baseball bat to a noob, and he will decimate 90% of black belts out there. When confronting someone armed with a firearm, the best "art" you can use is the art of persuassion.
 

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Years ago, I had a run in with a neighbour partying all night, I was confronted at my home by three drunken angry young men challenging me to come out and fight.  They all had glass bottles of alcohol in their hand.  Not one to ring the police, I told them if they didnt fuck off I would break one of their arms with the baseball bat I always left next to the door.  One of the men stepped forward, so I grabbed the bat, casually strolled 6 feet towards him and swung at his dominant arm, Needless to say, I broke his arm completely, he screamed like an absolute bitch and his mates ran off.  I was a little shocked at how quickly he gave in, but it often seems the smacktalkers cant back anything up.  Needless to say, I saved hurting my hands on that idiots head, I was charged and a conviction recorded and fined $500.  I couldnt believe I only had to pay $500 to break some assholes arm.  Well worth it.

[Reeves]

Rickson Gracie had OVER 450 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fights and NEVER EVER LOST to ANYONE ever , he is so masterful that he was thought about losing just to see what it felt like

a true Karate master would shit his gi looking across to Rickson 

Yup.  And never forget that Chuck Norris counted to infinity... Twice.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yup.  And never forget that Chuck Norris counted to infinity... Twice.

lmao

[RC Money]

You are aware that an "mma" guy would not play by the rules in a no rules situation... your Karate master train for their dumbass one hit and reset tournaments that are very unrealistic.. they also never really train these deadly techniques properly for obvious reasons, your an idiot if you believe these guys and their one hitter quitters that they would never land in real life against an aggressor. I'll take a straight up boxer or wrestler vs these clowns in a one on one scenario anytime. Now with weapons and multiple people just hit and run cuz your traditional karate aint gunna do too much there either.

[Emmortal]

Be the first to strike the balls, that's all you need to know in a street fight.  If you are the one who attacks first with utmost brutality without hesitation, you will win 99% of the time in a hand to hand fight.  Throw in weapons of any sort and your odds diminish tremendously of walking away uninjured or with your life.  Punching someone in the face or body is the absolute worst thing to do in a street fight, go for the balls or throat/neck and if they are still standing take the knees out, that's it.

[che]

  Punching someone in the face or body is the absolute worst thing to do in a street fight,

Hahaha,
The beauty of having good/heavy  hands is that if you  know how to punch and  you pull the trigger first  ,there is not going to be  a fight.

[Tapeworm]

Son, you really are a horse's ass.

 

[RC Money]

Hahaha,
The beauty of having good/heavy  hands is that if you  know how to punch and  you pull the trigger first  ,there is not going to be  a fight.

This.

[Bodybuilder Lex Reeves]

I can tell by the majority of responses that virtually no one here has studied real Karate with an expert for aperiod of years.

[RC Money]

I can tell by the majority of responses that virtually no one here has studied real Karate with an expert for aperiod of years.

It is easy to tell that you have wasted many years doing just that and are mad that your martial art is not widely recognized as being terribly effective... I will give you that legitimate shotokan karate or any other legit form from a legit instructor is pretty good, but people tend to associate karate modern day with the bullshit comercial dojos or bullshit tdk dojos. 

[Benny B]

 
UFC 4 - Royce Gracie vs Ron van Clief
http://rutube.ru/tracks/3701324.html?v=771a86b448cd4e3879de726026a2ade5


“You are the Black Dragon.” Those were the words imprinted on Ron Van Clief’s soul after meeting Bruce Lee years ago. Those words changed Ron Van Clief. Many martial arts film aficionados have heard of Ron Van Clief and may remember him as the star of BLACK DRAGON and BLACK DRAGON’S LAST REVENGE.
Ron Van Clief, the five-time world karate champion and 15-time all-American champion, is a native of New York City, born and raised in Brooklyn. Ron and I discussed his early training, and mentioned many martial arts “heavyweights” as early instructors. “My first sport was bodybuilding. Most of my teenage years were consumed with becoming a gymnast and martial artist. I started my martial arts training in the 1950s with Moses Powell, Tom Lapuppet, George Cofield, and in 1959 with Peter Urban in the USA Goju [Karate] system.”



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_van_Clief#Martial_arts
MARTIAL ARTS
Ron van Clief began his martial arts career competing in both full-contact and non-contact karate tournaments in New York then internationally, going on to win several national tournaments and world championships.[which?] He was nicknamed "The Black Dragon" for his competition victories.[citation needed]

Van Clief was a student of Goju-ryu masters Peter Urban, Frank Ruiz, and Moses Powell, as well as WingTsun founder Leung Ting Modern Arnis (Remy Presas) Brazilian Jiujitsu (Joe Moreira).[citation needed] In 1971, Van Clief created his own style of martial arts, called "Chinese Goju," attempting to unify Japanese style goju-ryu with its roots in Chinese martial arts.[citation needed] He currently holds the rank of 10th degree red belt (shidoshi or grandmaster), in this system.[citation needed]

On December 16, 1994, Ron Van Clief returned to the ring to fight in the 4th Ultimate Fighting Championship, as the oldest competitor to date to fight in the UFC at the age of 51.[2] Van Clief's sole fight in the tournament was against Brazilian jiu-jitsu exponent Royce Gracie. Gracie won the match by submission with a rear naked choke near the four-minute mark. Ron went on to serve as the commissioner of the UFC. Ron Van Clief retired from competition in 2002 after winning the All American Karate Championship at 60 years old. Ron competed in over 900 tournaments in over 40 years on the tournament circuit. Ron Van Clief retired as a 5 time world karate/kungfu champion and 15 time all American champion.

[Benny B]

Some old Gracie family "propaganda" video, narrated by Rorion. 

[Emmortal]

Hahaha,
The beauty of having good/heavy  hands is that if you  know how to punch and  you pull the trigger first  ,there is not going to be  a fight.

Definitely agree, but the "average" person doesn't know how to throw a punch properly, so going for the nuts or throat is the quickest way to end the fight.  Obviously for an experienced fighter, it's quite different.  Most people can't hold their center of gravity properly and throw themselves off balance when throwing a punch opening themselves up for vulnerbility.