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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2011, 08:09:33 AM »
Yes, more anti-Obama video will surely help to mask Rubio's intentional lies.

Rubio is in obama's class now.  They lie about their family's acomplishments to try to deliver some sort of credibility.  

Rubio = Obama.  

You have officially lost it.   My God bro - what the fuck happened to you and what is wrong you? 


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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2011, 08:10:01 AM »
This is not about Rubio.


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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2011, 08:13:09 AM »
You are a very intelligent man, 120.

But you are an emotional liberal. That is why liberalism is the death nail for this country.

You are more than eager to attack the GOP, FIRST.

You will then claim that DNC=GOP when told that you posted nothing about a Dem doing the same thing months or even years prior.

Let me save you some agita.  Obama is done in 2012.

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2011, 08:14:28 AM »

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Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show

I am referring to my comments. And Rubio did not embellish and documents don't show in which speech or speeches he "embellished".  So you have nothing.

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2011, 08:17:42 AM »
Yes, more anti-Obama video will surely help to mask Rubio's intentional lies.

Rubio is in obama's class now.  They lie about their family's acomplishments to try to deliver some sort of credibility.  

Rubio = Obama.  

240, you missed the point entirely.

The point is that I never see you start threads on here showing your outrage over democrats doing it.



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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2011, 08:18:03 AM »
Did the Washington Post embellish Marco Rubio's 'embellishments'?




The Washington Post just released this interesting story headlined "Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show." The paper flagged a clear inaccuracy in his official Senate biography that states the Senator's parents "came to America following Fidel Castro’s takeover.”

That's false. Rubio's parents came to the US before then, in 1956. They remained in the US after Castro took over in 1959. They returned to Cuba for brief stints early on, before the country devolved into Soviet-style totalitarianism.

But the top of the story suggests Rubio himself has given this "dramatic account:" that "he was the son of exiles, he told audiences, Cuban Americans forced off their beloved island after 'a thug,' Fidel Castro, took power." (Update note: The story struck the word "dramatic").

However, the story doesn't cite one speech where Rubio actually said that.

To back up the lead, the Washington Post excerpts from a 2006 address in the Florida House where Rubio said “in January of 1959 a thug named Fidel Castro took power in Cuba and countless Cubans were forced to flee... Today your children and grandchildren are the secretary of commerce of the United States and multiple members of Congress...and soon, even speaker of the Florida House.”

The catch: If you listen to the speech, Rubio isn't just talking about those who specifically fled Cuba after Castro took power. He doesn't say that his parents fled Cuba. Instead, he was talking about "a community of exiles." That is: He was talking about all the Cubans who live in Miami.

Regardless of when his parents left Cuba, they were exiles because they stayed in the US, specifically Miami, in a community where they soon felt they couldn't go back to their homeland. Though the story said his parents left for economic reasons, it's silent about the fact that the dictator before Castro, Batista, was so brutal that it made Castro look like a good alternative at first. (Insert debate over the fairness of the post-Castro Cuban Adjustment Act here).

The Post also says "the supposed flight of Rubio’s parents has been at the core of the young senator’s political identity." That's a stretch. The actual story of the "flight" is far less emphasized than the fact that Rubio's an Hispanic Republican, and the child of immigrants and exiles (Update note: I mistakenly called him an immigrant and exile in original post).

So to suggest Rubio serially embellished the "dramatic" story of his parents fleeing Cuba could be a little too dramatic itself. And it might be an embellishment as well -- absent more information clearly showing Rubio has repeatedly said his parents fled Castro's Cuba.

Rubio's office has told both the Washinton Post, the St. Petersburg Times and The Miami Herald that his parents came to the United States prior to Castro taking power. And he has said it more than once. In the article we wrote last month about his pending autobiography, Rubio clearly told us his parents came here before Castro took power. He struggled to recall the year (this isn't in the story, it's in my notes) and said it was in "57 or 58 or 59."

When asked pointedly: Was it before the revolution? Rubio said it was before the revolution.

The Washington Post found two examples in FOX interviews where Rubio gave different accounts of the date his parents left the island.

In one interview, he said "my parents and grandparents came here from Cuba in '58, '59." In another interview, he said his parents came over in 1959. He wasn't asked if it was before or after the revolution. Fox Business host David Asman just presumed "they were exiles from Fidel Castro's Cuba after he took over."

Rubio didn't correct him.

So, to a degree, Rubio could be guilty of failing to correct something in the news media that inured to his gain (he and his people are quick to to criticize inaccuracies they don't like almost the second they hit the internet).

Rubio's inability to remember these specific dates isn't much of a surprise. Rubio is sometimes sloppy. When he was in the Florida House, he failed to disclose a loan at one point and fill out his financial disclosures properly. He rung up a host of personal and questionable expenses on a Republican Party of Florida credit card and couldn't show how they furthered party business.

Indeed, the Washington Post story notes that "details have changed in his accounts" of his grandmother's death -- whether it happened when his father was 6 or 9. That's not embellishment. That's evidence of sloppiness.

The controversy over his parents was first printed in the St. Petersburg Times and The Miami Herald because the documents in question were first released by a birther. He says Rubio, though born in Miami, wasn't a "natural-born citizen" because his parents weren't citizens. (What's the guy think about C-sections?) That story is here.

While writing this, Rubio's office just sent out this angry response:

Washington, DC – U.S. Senator Marco Rubio issued the following statement regarding false allegations that he embellished his family’s history:
 
“To suggest my family’s story is embellished for political gain is outrageous.  The dates I have given regarding my family’s history have always been based on my parents’ recollections of events that occurred over 55 years ago and which were relayed to me by them more than two decades after they happened.  I was not made aware of the exact dates until very recently.
 
“What’s important is that the essential facts of my family’s story are completely accurate.  My parents are from Cuba. After arriving in the United States, they had always hoped to one day return to Cuba if things improved and traveled there several times.  In 1961, my mother and older siblings did in fact return to Cuba while my father stayed behind wrapping up the family’s matters in the U.S.  After just a few weeks living there, she fully realized the true nature of the direction Castro was taking Cuba and returned to the United States one month later, never to return.
 
“They were exiled from the home country they tried to return to because they did not want to live under communism. That is an undisputed fact and to suggest otherwise is outrageous.”




Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2011/10/did-the-washington-post-embellish-marco-rubios-embellishments.html#ixzz1bWYQgwlh


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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2011, 08:20:24 AM »
Rubio = Obama.  

So that means you support Rubio now?

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2011, 08:21:49 AM »
So that means you support Rubio now?

anyone saying Rubio = Obama is a fucking moron.   And yes 180 - if you feel that way, knowing what we know about Obama - you are a fucking moron.   

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2011, 08:38:34 AM »
You are a very intelligent man, 120.

But you are an emotional liberal. That is why liberalism is the death nail for this country.

You are more than eager to attack the GOP, FIRST.

You will then claim that DNC=GOP when told that you posted nothing about a Dem doing the same thing months or even years prior.

Let me save you some agita.  Obama is done in 2012.


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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2011, 08:42:44 AM »
Team Obama: ‘Must … Stop … Rubio!’
Pajamas Media ^ | October 21, 2011 | Henry Gomez

Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:14:59 AM by Kaslin

The possibililty of Marco Rubio entering the fray has Obama 2012 scrambling for dirt.

Recent articles published in the Washington Post and the St. Petersburg Times delve into the family story of Marco Rubio, Florida’s junior senator, implying that he’s embellished it for dramatic effect. It’s no surprise that Rubio is the subject of increasing amounts of scrutiny from the mainstream media these days, as he’s rapidly become one of the most articulate voices for conservatism in America.


Rubio’s rise to national prominence began when he challenged Florida’s Republican governor, Charlie Crist, in the GOP primary in 2010. Although he had been speaker of Florida’s House of Representatives, Rubio was virtually unknown outside of Miami. He ran a perfect campaign, with support from the Tea Party: they saw Crist as a “RINO” who embraced President Obama (literally and figuratively). Rubio drove the once extremely popular Crist out of the Republican Party — he is now a pitchman for ambulance-chasing attorneys.


After being inaugurated in January, Rubio waited until June to give his “maiden speech” on the Senate floor, the last of the freshmen senators to do so. Since then he’s been actively attacking President Obama and his policies, on everything from the debt to foreign policy. He’s been a frequent guest on the conservative talk radio circuit, as well as on Fox News.

So compelling is Rubio’s rhetoric that he has been speculated about for the number two spot on his party’s ticket before the top slot is even filled. Though most of the talk has been about Rubio as a running mate, many conservatives, including Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, have openly asked why Senator Rubio isn’t running for president.

That speculation about a potential President Marco Rubio has resulted in a high degree of scrutiny among the mainstream media performed with a fervor they never had when it came to investigating the junior senator from Illinois in 2008.

First, Univision ran a piece about Rubio’s brother in-law, who was convicted of cocaine trafficking in the 1980s when Rubio was a teenager. The piece backfired when Rubio staffers alleged that Univision offered to spike the story if the senator would agree to appear on one of its shows. As a result, several of the GOP’s candidates for president said they would boycott any debate hosted by Univision.


Undeterred, the Marco Rubio inquisition continued. A contingent claims that Rubio is not eligible to be president because his parents, who are from Cuba, were not American citizens at the time of his birth. However, Marco Rubio was born in the United States, both of his parents were here legally, he is a citizen of the United States, he has never been a citizen of any other country, and he never had to be naturalized.

In attaining records about the residency status of Rubio’s parents at the time of his birth, reporters have discovered that they migrated to the United States legally in 1956, a couple of years before Fidel Castro took power in Cuba. That’s only significant inasmuch as Rubio has portrayed himself as the child of exiles from Castro’s Cuba. The Washington Post and the St. Petersburg Times have now accused Rubio of distorting his family’s history to make it more compelling.

The exact date that Rubio’s parents left Cuba for the United States is a detail that is of little importance to most people outside of South Florida’s Cuban-American community, most of whom came over to flee the Castro regime. Were Rubio’s parents really exiles? The answer is a definite maybe.

First of all, it’s important to set the context. Prior to 1959 there had been a circular migration pattern between Cuba and Florida dating back centuries, as both were Spanish colonies. That continued even after Florida became a state and on into the 1950s when the doors to both countries were open to each other’s citizens. Cubans often came to the United States and then returned to Cuba, as my maternal grandfather did once.

It’s clear that Rubio’s parents did not leave Cuba in reaction to Fidel Castro’s rule, but there is reason to give people like the elder Rubios the benefit of the doubt on claiming to be exiles. In 1956 when the Rubios left Cuba, the armed insurrection led by Fidel Castro and his bloodthirsty Argentinean sidekick Ernesto Che Guevara was already well underway. There was a lot of political and social turmoil in the country. Whether the insurrection contributed to their decision to leave or not only they would know. But even if it played no part in their thought process, the fact remains that Castro came to power and changed Cuba radically. So much so that Rubio states that his parents could never go back. In a press release issued by his office, Rubio claims that his mother did return to Cuba in 1961 with the intention of having her husband join her to stay permanently. Upon realizing the direction the country was headed in, she decided to leave for the United States again.


Rubio’s parents did not become U.S. citizens until 1975. It’s quite possible that when they left Cuba in 1956 they had no intention of staying in the United States forever, and we can’t assume that they did. But while they were here, a revolution occurred in their home country that was so radical and catastrophic that — like more than a million of their countrymen who have since fled — they believed they could never go back while the illegitimate Castro regime remained in power.

Does that make them exiles? It’s good enough for me.

The “Rubio embellishes … ” headline is a twofer for the liberal media. Not only do they get to take a shot at a rising star in the conservative ranks, but also at a Cuban-American. As escapees from the socialist model that leftists revere, Cuban-Americans reject anything that resembles that ideology. This puts Cubans in a very small minority of reliably Republican Hispanics.

It should be noted that the Washington Post has expressed its disdain for Cuban-Americans before. In 2007 they published an outrageous cartoon by Pat Oliphant depicting a boatload of Cubans being shoved off by Uncle Sam, because the cartoonist viewed their opposition to then candidate Obama’s hopey-changey agenda as “interfering with the ’08 election.” Also, Manuel Roig-Franzia — the reporter who penned Thursday’s Rubio hit piece — has written several rosy portrayals of the Castro regime in Cuba and its alleged reforms. Roig-Franzia recently sold a book on Rubio to Simon & Schuster. I’m betting it won’t be flattering.



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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2011, 08:44:25 AM »
If the media had as much of an infatuation with vetting democrats as they do republicans, would Obama even be president?

Couldn't care less about Rubio's life-story given that a community organizer whose entire claim to the presidency is that he spent a lot of time voting "present" in the senate. Rubio won't be Ron Paul's running mate anyway.

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2011, 08:45:53 AM »
If the media had as much of an infatuation with vetting democrats as they do republicans, would Obama even be president?



Funny how they gug up Rubio family records yet cant find the same for Obama's grifter parents.   And even funnier - they colud care less. 

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2011, 08:47:10 AM »
Funny how they gug up Rubio family records yet cant find the same for Obama's grifter parents.   And even funnier - they colud care less. 

Don't worry, 120 will now claim the media doesn't go to bat for Obama.  ::)

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2011, 08:47:55 AM »
If the media had as much of an infatuation with vetting democrats as they do republicans, would Obama even be president?


Remember the New York Times running the front page article a couple of months before the election about John McCain supposedly cheating on his wife?

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2011, 08:51:17 AM »
If the media had as much of an infatuation with vetting democrats as they do republicans, would Obama even be president?

Couldn't care less about Rubio's life-story given that a community organizer whose entire claim to the presidency is that he spent a lot of time voting "present" in the senate. Rubio won't be Ron Paul's running mate anyway.

Oh, he would have never been elected.

Wasn't there a report months after the election, in which emails were found showing that a large group of reporters had agreed to not write anything that would embarrass Obama and to focus an attack on McCain and Palin?

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2011, 08:52:26 AM »
Oh, he would have never been elected.

Wasn't there a reports months after the election, in which emails were found showing that a large group of reporters had agreed to not write anything that would embarrass Obama and to focus an attack on McCain and Palin?

I think I remember 333 posting it. "Journolist" or something. I believe it's headed by Ezra Klein, if I remember correctly.

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2011, 09:54:06 AM »
so this thread has repeatedly been steered by yall into "how the media protects obama".

I concede compltely that they do.  but that's now what this thread is about.

It's about rubio knowingly telling a false story to win love from a hispanic voting base.  He told a story (that he knew was false in 2006) over and over.  He played the victim.


This thead isn't about how much obama sucks.  Yes, he does suck, it's true.  But this thread is where you say "Rubio is a liar" or "Rubio didn't lie - here's why..."

The only defense thus far was that he knew the actual story in 2006... which actually makes him look WORSE because it proves his new excuse of "my fmaily always told me this tale, I thought it was true..."   In his own words, he knew the truth in 2006.

So we have 2 options.  He either FORGOT from 2006 to 20009.  Or, he chose to lie to wiwn favor with votetrs by playing the victim card.  Which is it?

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2011, 10:04:11 AM »


 He either FORGOT from 2006 to 20009.  

So now Rubio is a Time Traveler?  

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2011, 10:32:03 AM »
So now Rubio is a Time Traveler? 

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2015, 09:55:39 PM »
If the media had as much of an infatuation with vetting democrats as they do republicans, would Obama even be president?

Couldn't care less about Rubio's life-story given that a community organizer whose entire claim to the presidency is that he spent a lot of time voting "present" in the senate. Rubio won't be Ron Paul's running mate anyway.

It's funny - this was 4 years ago - we were mocking Obama for voting present 3% of the time, and using Rubio as a shiny example of how it should be done - and he was voting present a full 8.1% of the time, in order to avoid pissing people off/getting on the record.

Just goes to show... if obama was too absent with 3%... how in the world isn't rubio?




Of the lawmakers currently serving in the U.S. Senate, Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is the least likely to show up for work. He’s been in office for four years, and of 1,198 opportunities to vote, he has declined to do so 99 times. That’s an absentee rate of 8.2 percent—four times the Senate average of 2.01 percent.

Obama voted present 129 times out of 4000 votes.

Obama voted present 3% of the time.
Rubio?  He's absent 8.1 % of the time.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/obamas-legislative-record/


Rubio missed a lot more votes than obama.

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Re: Marco Rubio’s compelling family story embellishes facts, documents show
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2015, 06:14:16 AM »
HAHAHA.... look at these dweebs and their so called "analysis" of facts that have been evident for several years.

The part of "Obama is done in 2012" was a nice laugh.  That election really turned out to be a toss up.