Ron Paul: Iran wants to disrupt world oil supply because we are provoking them

[Dos Equis]

"The biggest hurdle for Ron Paul with Iowa caucus-goers remains his foreign policy positions," Albrecht said. "His paid media and mailers have all been focused on the top issue for Iowans, the nation's debt. Ron Paul's biggest strength is fiscal policy. His fiscal focus has skyrocketed his campaign here."

During one exchange in particular, with Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), Paul was dismissive of a recent report by the United Nation's nuclear watch dog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, that was widely interpreted as evidence that Tehran is rapidly closing in on producing a bomb.

"We have an IAEA report that just recently came out that said, literally, Iran is within just months of being able to obtain that weapon," Bachmann said.

Paul shot back: "There is no U.N. report that said that. It's totally wrong on what you just said."

Bachmann noted simply, "It's an IAEA report." It was as if she were saying that if the IAEA is finally saying Iran is after a bomb, then even the most dovish institutions agree with what American hawks have been saying for years. The IAEA has been slower than many in the U.S. foreign policy establishment to conclude that Tehran is in fact pursuing nuclear weapons as its end game.

"That, that is not, that is not true," Paul said again. "They produced information that led you to believe that, but they have no evidence. There's been no enrichment of these bombs."

Paul's suggestion that the IAEA report was intentionally misleading sounded like "black helicopters" talk to the Republican official who spoke to HuffPost after the debate. Even though Paul's point was that there is no evidence that Iran has enriched uranium and weaponized it, to many viewers, his rejections of the IAEA report likely sounded as if he were rejecting the report's broader conclusion, that Tehran is actively pursuing a bomb.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/ron-paul-iran-nuclear-bomb_n_1154244.html

Yep.  That was not his finest hour. 

[TheGrinch]

2 things I really dont understand....

I am not the sharpest tool in the shed so maybe someone can enlighten me here.



1) Why the fck do I give a rat's ass about Israel? What do they do for me and I why should I give .01 of my tax dollars to them? Nobody says "hey we have to protect Canada? Sweden? Spain?" but for some fcken reason I have no choice but to support Israel?


2)um.... Iran hates (like all Muslim countries do) BECAUSE we support Israel and keep bombing and attacking other muslim countries not because we are "Free". Canada, fck all of Europe is free... they arent threatening to "bomb Canada"? Why? They arent saying "death to all Aussies"? Why? "Death to Barbados"? Why?... Why isnt Iran trying to destroy the Bahamas?


I swear I am moving out of the USA if things dont friggin change soon


(yes I DO support Ron Paul and agree 100% with what he says but he will NEVER get elected saying to downsize the military and not go after Iran unfortunately ---also just donated $100 to the money bomb)

[Bindare_Dundat]

Yep.  That was not his finest hour. 

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 Ron schooled that stupid bitch and now the facts are coming out that she is full of shit.

[Dos Equis]

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 Ron schooled that stupid bitch and now the facts are coming out that she is full of shit.

Or not.  That might have been his worst moment of the debate season.  I think he lost a lot of Iowa votes when talking about Iran. 

[Bindare_Dundat]

Or not.  That might have been his worst moment of the debate season.  I think he lost a lot of Iowa votes when talking about Iran. 

His message on the subject hasnt changed in years so how it hurt him when his numbers have grown is hardly a worry. He recieved over $3 million after that debate. Better than previous money bombs, so go figure.

[240 is Back]

this one is easy:

Let Israel nuke the fuck out of Iran.  Endure the brief energy crisis.  Then everything gets back to normal.

All this should about the US being a global police force, not letting Isr open up on them.  Hell, if Mexico was talking shit and developing nukes and funding terrorists to shoot missiles into the USA, we would have invaded them already - nobody would have stopped us.


If I'm not mistaken - isn't ron paul's position something like "We aren't going to give Israel a ton of money every year, but we will give them the green light to nuke Iran if they feel threatened"?

[howardroark]

If I'm not mistaken - isn't ron paul's position something like "We aren't going to give Israel a ton of money every year, but we will give them the green light to nuke Iran if they feel threatened"?

Exactly. But you try to explain this to the likes of Fury, Whorewell, and headhuntersix and they take it as "Ron Paul is pro-Iran and wants to see Israel nuked!" 

[Fury]

Exactly. But you try to explain this to the likes of Fury, Whorewell, and headhuntersix and they take it as "Ron Paul is pro-Iran and wants to see Israel nuked!"  

Oh brother, this shitty new account likes to put words in my mouth. I've said before that I agree with Ron Paul on Iran. In-fact, you'll find that I'd rather go much further than most of the rest of you clowns. I want the US out of the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and every other organization that seeks to usurp our sovereignty. You'll be hard-pressed to find a more anti-UN member on this politics board.

Did you know the US funds over 15% of the IMF and they've given well over $50 billion to Greece in the last year alone? Somehow I doubt it as you won't see that in the NY Times or whatever shitty rag it is that you get your talking points from. By the way, we're never going to see those billions again.

I'm sorry that you got all butt-hurt when I pointed out that you don't have any fucking idea as to what you're talking about, though. Keep parroting talking points, my "Arabs are Persian and Persians are Arabs" friend.  

[howardroark]

Oh brother, this shitty new account likes to put words in my mouth.

Hey, that's like what you've been doing by stalking every single post made by me trying to claim that I confused Arabs and Persians, when in fact I did not do so.

I've said before that I agree with Ron Paul on Iran.

Then why do you consistently attack, slander, and defame everyone here who says that Israel-Iran relations are none of the US's business?

In-fact, you'll find that I'd rather go much further than most of the rest of you clowns. I want the US out of the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and every other organization that seeks to usurp our sovereignty. You'll be hard-pressed to find a more anti-UN member on this politics board.

That's funny, because I agree 100% with those views. However, YOU know better about what I believe and know than I do, right?

Did you know the US funds over 15% of the IMF and they've given well over $50 billion to Greece in the last year alone? Somehow I doubt it as you won't see that in the NY Times or whatever shitty rag it is that you get your talking points from. By the way, we're never going to see those billions again.

I did not know that precise number, but I did know that the IMF had a hand in the bailouts of Greece. Also, I do not read the New York Rag. But hey, you know better about what I know and read than I do, right?

I'm sorry that you got all butt-hurt when I pointed out that you don't have any fucking idea as to what you're talking about, though. Keep parroting talking points, my "Arabs are Persian and Persians are Arabs" friend.  

I have never stated anywhere that Arabs are Persians. But keep stalking every single post I make in order to spread that lie.

[howardroark]

This is what Fury is getting his panties in a wad over:

So we continue this gay low-level proxy war on Iran and how do we benefit exactly? We continue to inflame Arab opinion and we continue to meet the Quranic predicate for Jihad. That is a high price to pay for cheaper gasoline.

Arab opinion? Most Arabs hate Iran as they're PERSIAN and Shia, to boot.

I know. I misspoke, I should have said "Muslim," since the problem is not only with Arabs, but with Persians, Turks, Berbers, and many other ethnic/cultural groups that are predominantly Muslim.

He seems to have a really bad habit of reading into things and jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

[Dos Equis]

His message on the subject hasnt changed in years so how it hurt him when his numbers have grown is hardly a worry. He recieved over $3 million after that debate. Better than previous money bombs, so go figure.

How much of that money came from Iowa? 

If you listened the crowd reaction at the debate, it was pretty bad.  I was cringing when he talked about Iran.  Commentators, on the left and right, had the same view.  Iran is an issue that makes him look very bad.  Sort of like Perry with HPV, Newt with Freddie Mac, Romney with his flip-flopping etc. Every candidate has flaws.  Foreign policy--and particularly Iran--is Ron Paul's major weakness. 

[Shockwave]

Oh brother, this shitty new account likes to put words in my mouth. I've said before that I agree with Ron Paul on Iran. In-fact, you'll find that I'd rather go much further than most of the rest of you clowns. I want the US out of the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and every other organization that seeks to usurp our sovereignty. You'll be hard-pressed to find a more anti-UN member on this politics board.

Did you know the US funds over 15% of the IMF and they've given well over $50 billion to Greece in the last year alone? Somehow I doubt it as you won't see that in the NY Times or whatever shitty rag it is that you get your talking points from. By the way, we're never going to see those billions again.

I'm sorry that you got all butt-hurt when I pointed out that you don't have any fucking idea as to what you're talking about, though. Keep parroting talking points, my "Arabs are Persian and Persians are Arabs" friend.  

THIS!
Fuck the IMF, fuck the central banks, and fuck all those POFS "allies" that use try and use us and force us to do their bidding around the world.
Amazed no one else notices this shit.

[howardroark]

^ Except the other Ron Paul supporters Fury consistently slanders on this board, such as bindare and myself. 

[240 is Back]

I don't get it.    Ron Paul tells them "You are allowed to nuke Iran, turn them into glass, and I'm okay with it, becuase you did what you felt you had to do".

US under Obama/Bush, and the entire crop of 2012 hopefuls, just says "we will keep spying on Iran as they build nukes and you can't stop them, Israel..."

I'm confused on this one.  I thought theyd prefer to just nuke that place, get it over with, and be safe?  

[Shockwave]

^ Except the other Ron Paul supporters Fury consistently slanders on this board, such as bindare and myself. 

I wasnt speaking of board members, plus Im not usually a reg on the poli board.

[howardroark]

I don't get it.    Ron Paul tells them "You are allowed to nuke Iran, turn them into glass, and I'm okay with it, becuase you did what you felt you had to do".

US under Obama/Bush, and the entire crop of 2012 hopefuls, just says "we will keep spying on Iran as they build nukes and you can't stop them, Israel..."

I'm confused on this one.  I thought theyd prefer to just nuke that place, get it over with, and be safe?  

I doubt Israel would actually nuke Iran - they'd probably go for a more surgical strike, similar to what they did to Iraq in the 80s.

I do think that the foreign policy toward Iran in particular and the Muslim world in general that the other Republicans are advocating has to do with a lot more than just Israel.

[TheGrinch]

nobody has answered my questions yet.. geez..


why should I give a rat's ass about Israel or .01 penny of my tax dollars?  I dont get it

[Bindare_Dundat]

nobody has answered my questions yet.. geez..


why should I give a rat's ass about Israel or .01 penny of my tax dollars?  I dont get it

Becasue thats where Jesus will come back and we need to be there to roll out he red carpet.

[Bindare_Dundat]

How much of that money came from Iowa? 

If you listened the crowd reaction at the debate, it was pretty bad.  I was cringing when he talked about Iran.  Commentators, on the left and right, had the same view.  Iran is an issue that makes him look very bad.  Sort of like Perry with HPV, Newt with Freddie Mac, Romney with his flip-flopping etc. Every candidate has flaws.  Foreign policy--and particularly Iran--is Ron Paul's major weakness. 

Earlier tonight Tom Jensen of PPP said:
 "We have the trifecta going in the field tonight- national, IA, NH GOP polls. Should be very interesting after last night"
 
Source: https://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls/stat...86042550923265
 
Now he just said:
 "Iowa looking like something close to a 3 way tie between Paul, Mitt, Newt. Perry and Bachmann still clearly in a lower tier"
 
Source: https://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls/stat...50495053144064
 
For those that don't know, PPP is nationally leading polling organization.
 

[Dos Equis]

nobody has answered my questions yet.. geez..


why should I give a rat's ass about Israel or .01 penny of my tax dollars?  I dont get it

Because they're our ally and we need friends in the region full of people who want to kill Americans. 

[Dos Equis]

Earlier tonight Tom Jensen of PPP said:
 "We have the trifecta going in the field tonight- national, IA, NH GOP polls. Should be very interesting after last night"
 
Source: https://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls/stat...86042550923265
 
Now he just said:
 "Iowa looking like something close to a 3 way tie between Paul, Mitt, Newt. Perry and Bachmann still clearly in a lower tier"
 
Source: https://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls/stat...50495053144064
 
For those that don't know, PPP is nationally leading polling organization.
 

Doesn't answer the question of how much of his $3 million in fundraising came from Iowa.  Also doesn't really address the damage that may have been caused by his debate performance. 

[Bindare_Dundat]

Because they're our ally and we need friends in the region full of people who want to kill Americans.  

Then why the fuck does our government  arm these people with nuclear technology and stops Isreal from defending itself?

[Dos Equis]

Then why the fuck does our government  arm these people with nuclear technology and stops Isreal from defending itself?

What enemies have we armed with nuclear technology?

We've stopped Israel from defending itself in some instances (by doing it for them), because it prevented possible full-scale war in the Middle East.  That's what happened during Desert Storm, when Saddam shot scuds into Israel, and we convinced them not to respond.  That was the right thing to do.  

[240 is Back]

Hey repubs -

Full scale war in the middle east would lead to the US drilling at home.  Ain't that a GOOD thing? 

[Bindare_Dundat]

What enemies have we armed with nuclear technology?

Should have worded it to 'potentially armed'.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904102094400097.html

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration plans to sign its first nuclear cooperation agreement with a Middle Eastern nation within the next few weeks, according to a senior U.S. official, raising concerns among congressional critics who say the deal could fuel nuclear proliferation in the region.

The proposed deal with the United Arab Emirates has attracted attention because the U.A.E.'s largest trading partner is Iran. The U.A.E. has served in the past as a transshipment point for technology with military applications headed to Iran and other countries and is among Tehran's largest financial partners, according to U.S. officials