Brady Stomps Tebow

[MCWAY]

On paper you're right. But they don't pass the eye test. I'm a Pats fan and when Brady went down 2008, me and almost every other Pats fan said they were done. Well Matt Cassel stepped in that took them 11-5 but missed the playoffs that year. 11 and fucking 5 and they miss the playoffs. When you ask Pats fans about the 2008 season, they will tell you that the Pats shouldn't have made the playoffs and didn't deserve it anyway. Then you'll hear shit about the "system" etc. but that's a whole diff/argument.

That's no shocker; it's simple math. Miami won the division at 11-5, as well (better division record). The worst wildcard record was 11-5 and Baltimore beat New England head-to-head. The Colts also beat the Patriots and had a better overall record, anyway (12-4).

However, Tebow worshipers are grasping at straws thinking its some sort of miracle working. That's not smart. And its not good for the team/fans. Denver deserves to have a top notch fucking Quarterback playing for that team. Denver is one of the toughest places on earth to go and play at as an away team. The fans there are incredible. This Tebow experiment is a waste of time and everyone knows it. Its sad what ESPN has done to him. When Brett Favre left for good, it seems that ESPN needed to fill his shoes. And they've done it with Tebow.

Its obvious that Tebow is an awesome human being. And an awesome football talent. He's just playing the wrong position. Its way too late for him to be a line backer for sure but, the guy could do some serious damage as a tight end. He's obviously showing on field football speed that didn't really show up at the combine. But the dudes arm and passing instincts are not there. There's too much film out on him now and its not like his coach is going to let him open it up. The end is near. At least his QB career.

You've just made my point. Tebow needs a QB coach (or a better one, at least). Tebow's a first-round pick as a QB; making him a tight end or fullback is utterly silly.

To open it up, he needs weapons, preferably receivers with speed that actually catch the ball. Yet, if anyone has made lemonade out of offensive lemons, it's Tebow. You can't draft a QB in the first-round, NOT surround him with the weapons to match his talent, and wonder why he's struggling.

Look at Alex Smith of San Francisco. He was an eyelash away from joining the likes of Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, and JaMarcus Russell as first-round BUSTS!

Yet, Jim Harbaraugh (a QB coach by reputation) worked with Smith, spent time with him, believed in him (when virtually NOBODY ELSE did) and put the right weapons around him. Now, he's kicking BUTT and he could end up in the Super Bowl, before it's all said and done.

Tebow needs a Harbaraugh-like coach to develop him. Unfortunately, John Fox is a defensive guy. So, Denver needs a QB specialist to bring out the best in Tebow.

But, for all his flaws, Tebow took a team left for DEAD and won a division title with them.

[tu_holmes]

Lol, you should be the Dolphins Gm.  Shitty teams always pick the qb of the week, and think they will be the next franchise quarterback.  If I was a team in need of a qb, I would offer a couple first rounders to try and trade for Peyton Manning.  If healthy, he has got three or four good years left.

If you really need a QB you go after Stafford. He will be a stud.

[blacken700]

even the bronco fans are starting to see it,he's not the answer,he can't make the nfl throws, period.mechcanics is just one part,look at rivers,probably the shityest mechcanics in the nfl but he can make the passes.tebow can't read defences,his throws are late or not made at all because of it

[MCWAY]

even the bronco fans are starting to see it,he's not the answer,he can't make the nfl throws, period.mechcanics is just one part,look at rivers,probably the shityest mechcanics in the nfl but he can make the passes.tebow can't read defences,his throws are late or not made at all because of it

He's not the answer to WHAT! Tebow got them in the playoffs, not Orton, not Quinn.

They're in the dance, with a shot (however slim) to win a world title. Coming off a 4-12 season, winning your division with a 2nd year QB (who only played 3 games last year) is a good way to start. Denver won 6 in a row WITH TEBOW, to get themselves in this position. That means they can win 4 in a row. If they somehow do that, the Broncos are world champions.

As I said, he needs someone similar to Jim Harbaraugh, who took Alex Smith (a hearbeat away from being a bust) and got him rolling. And he needs better weapons.

[blacken700]

great,they're in the playoffs,but in the long run you make the playoffs to have a chance to win the superbowl,tebow doesn't give them that chance. what has happen in the last 3 weeks now that defences have figured out how to stop the triple option offence, 3 loses.this is a throwing league and he can't make the throws it's that simple. i find it funny how you want to blame it on the receivers,sure they're not pro bowl caliber,but they are nfl caliber,you bring brady,brees or rogers there and those receivers will be catching balls

[MCWAY]

great,they're in the playoffs,but in the long run you make the playoffs to have a chance to win the superbowl,tebow doesn't give them that chance. what has happen in the last 3 weeks now that defences have figured out how to stop the triple option offence, 3 loses.this is a throwing league and he can't make the throws it's that simple. i find it funny how you want to blame it on the receivers,sure they're not pro bowl caliber,but they are nfl caliber,you bring brady,brees or rogers there and those receivers will be catching balls

If you're in the playoffs, you have a chance, period. We've seen it time and time again.

What's happened in the last three weeks is too many turnovers. You lose in the NFL (I don't care who you are or who your quarterback is) if you keep coughing up the ball.

Tebow has the ability; but he needs more work. He needs a better QB coach and weapons to help him out. I'm aware of what's happened the last three weeks. I'm also aware of what happened the previous 8 weeks (in which Tebow and crew WON 7 of 8 ). Look at the Minnesota game, for example. And the game against San Diego.

Brady, Brees, and Rodgers are all season vets, who had good QB coaches to DEVELOP them. They aren't 2nd-year guys who have even played one full season.

[blacken700]

this about sums it up

Boomer Esiason, the former Bengals quarterback and current CBS analyst, says Tebow has no business being an NFL quarterback, and just because Tebow was successful at Florida, that’s no reason to think he’ll ever be any good with the Broncos.

“He can’t play. He can’t throw,” Esiason said, via Mike McCarthy of USA Today. “I’m not here to insult him. The reality is he was a great college football player, maybe the greatest college football player of his time. But he’s not an NFL quarterback right now. Just because he’s God-fearing, and a great person off the field, and was a winner with the team that had the best athletes in college football, doesn’t mean his game is going to translate to the NFL.”

Esiason says he can’t imagine why the old coaching staff wanted Tebow and doesn’t see what good it does for the current coaching staff to keep him around.

“What Josh McDaniel saw in him God only knows. Maybe God does know — because the rest of us don’t,” Esiason said.

All indications are that Tebow’s job is safe, even though he may not even be the third-best quarterback in camp. But there are a whole lot of people watching Tebow who think the Broncos would be better off without him.

[MCWAY]

this about sums it up

Boomer Esiason, the former Bengals quarterback and current CBS analyst, says Tebow has no business being an NFL quarterback, and just because Tebow was successful at Florida, that’s no reason to think he’ll ever be any good with the Broncos.

“He can’t play. He can’t throw,” Esiason said, via Mike McCarthy of USA Today. “I’m not here to insult him. The reality is he was a great college football player, maybe the greatest college football player of his time. But he’s not an NFL quarterback right now. Just because he’s God-fearing, and a great person off the field, and was a winner with the team that had the best athletes in college football, doesn’t mean his game is going to translate to the NFL.”

Esiason says he can’t imagine why the old coaching staff wanted Tebow and doesn’t see what good it does for the current coaching staff to keep him around.

“What Josh McDaniel saw in him God only knows. Maybe God does know — because the rest of us don’t,” Esiason said.

All indications are that Tebow’s job is safe, even though he may not even be the third-best quarterback in camp. But there are a whole lot of people watching Tebow who think the Broncos would be better off without him.

Of course, you would dredge up an old interview, BEFORE the Broncos went on their six-game win streak. Then, Boomer had a slight change of heart, though still critical of him.

He said that Tebow isn't a NFL quarterback RIGHT NOW, which fits right into what I've been saying from the start. He needs more time to develop; he needs someone to develop him, as Jim Harbaraugh did with Alex Smith of the 49ers.

Lost on you, of course, is that the Broncos WOULD NOT EVEN BE IN THE PLAYOFFS, if it weren't for Tebow (warts and all). From 1-4 to division champs....enough said.

[blacken700]

you really don't know much about the quarterback position,so i'm going to leave it at that.i have a feeling just because he says jesus you are all about tebow,just like you did with cain.how did that turn out for you ?

[MCWAY]

you really don't know much about the quarterback position,so i'm going to leave it at that.i have a feeling just because he says jesus you are all about tebow,just like you did with cain.how did that turn out for you ?

Your feeling is as misguided and cracked as you are.

I do know that this particular quarterback took his team TO THE AFC WEST TITLE, when that team was DEAD LAST in that division. Flap your gums all you want. Bottom line: Without Tebow, they ain't in the playoffs this year.

Tebow's flaws can be FIXED, just as flaws of other QBs can and have been fixed. That shows that YOU don't know much about the quarterback position.

Any QB that can take a 1-4 team to the postseason in just his second year gets props from me. That's the facts about Tebow. All your pointless musing (coupled with your inability to spell or punctuate) doesn't change that.

[blacken700]

he completes 40% of his passing, the defences have figured out the triple option offence,done deal.steve young knows it trent dilfer knows it,they both say he's lost in the backfield when he has to throw because he knows he can't make the throws.but i guess i'll listen to mcway of getbig because he knows more 

[tu_holmes]

Your feeling is as misguided and cracked as you are.

I do know that this particular quarterback took his team TO THE AFC WEST TITLE, when that team was DEAD LAST in that division. Flap your gums all you want. Bottom line: Without Tebow, they ain't in the playoffs this year.

Tebow's flaws can be FIXED, just as flaws of other QBs can and have been fixed. That shows that YOU don't know much about the quarterback position.

Any QB that can take a 1-4 team to the postseason in just his second year gets props from me. That's the facts about Tebow. All your pointless musing (coupled with your inability to spell or punctuate) doesn't change that.

Tebows extra 1 second of release will not be "fixed".

Sorry dude.

[blacken700]

it will be ok with mcway becaues tebow says jesus

[MCWAY]

he completes 40% of his passing, the defences have figured out the triple option offence,done deal.steve young knows it trent dilfer knows it,they both say he's lost in the backfield when he has to throw because he knows he can't make the throws.but i guess i'll listen to mcway of getbig because he knows more  

And if there are two quarterbacks who SUCKED ROYALLY in their early years, it's Young and Dilfer (I know; they played for my favorite team).

What you failed to understand, Einstein, is that I'm not denying Tebow's flaws. I'm stating those flaws can be CORRECTED. What part of that don't you grasp? Dilfer and Young should be able to relate to that, seeing how SORRY they both were back in the day.

Young only got the chance to study under Joe Montana and Bill Walsh, once he left Tampa Bay. They developed him into the Hall-of-Fame QB he became. Tebow needs something similar. With that said, neither Dilfer nor Young took the Bucs to the playoffs in year 2 of their careers (though Dilfer came close in '95).

All QBs have their slumps and Tebow is no different. Denver needs to get the pieces (both coaching and player-wise) to help Tebow out.

As far as not making the throws goes, he made them against Minnesota, against San Diego, against Oakland, and against Chicago. Get his mechanics fix, work with him a full off-season, and get him better receivers who don't drop the ball when WIDE OPEN, and Tebow will be fine.

[blacken700]

problem with you is you think everything can be taught and corrected,if that was the case we would have a lot of brady's and montana's running around.like i said before you don't know too much about the position

[MCWAY]

problem with you is you think everything can be taught and corrected,if that was the case we would have a lot of brady's and montana's running around.like i said before you don't too much about the position

Some things CAN be taught and corrected. That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone will be Bradys or Montanas.

You think Steve Young MAGICALLY became a Hall-of-Fame quarterback? Take a good look at his early days in Tampa Bay; Tebow looks like Johnny Unitas, compared to Young back then. How did Young go from being a scrub to a champion and HOF player?

How did Alex Smith go from being a near-first-round BUST, to the QB he is today (NFC West Champion) with a legitimate shot of going to the Super Bowl (especially with the one defense that stop either Green Bay or New Orleans COLD)?

How did Kurt Warner go from bagging groceries and playing Arena Ball, to going to THREE SUPERBOWLS (winning one and making MVP)?

This just goes to show that your football comments are about as RIDICULOUS as your political comments are. If those QBs can go from being scrubs to being champs, so can Tebow, especially given what he's done in Denver (From 1-4 to DIVISION CHAMPIONS, period).

[blacken700]

all the quarterbacks you just mentioned could make the nfl throws, they made mistakes as rookies but they could make the throws.tebow can't even make the throws in practice,like i said stick with grammar and spelling because you know nothing about the position of quarterback

[MCWAY]

all the quarterbacks you just mentioned could make the nfl throws, they made mistakes as rookies but they could make the throws.tebow can't even make the throws in practice,like i said stick with grammar and spelling because you know nothing about the position of quarterback

Put down the crackpipe and step WAY BACK. Young could barely hit the broad side of a barn, when he first started. Quite frankly, same went for Dilfer early on in their careers. Young SUCKED ROYALLY at first. Both of them made the throws alright.......half the time to the guys in the OTHER TEAM'S JERSEY.

Dilfer got BENCHED in '99, even after the Bucs won against the Bears (granted, the score was 6-3). The only reason he got his starting job back was because Eric Zeier cracked his ribs in a loss to Detroit. I saw Dilfer's years FIRSTHAND and he struggled almost as much as Tebow has.

Not to mention, Dilfer has the dubious distinction (undeserved, in my opinion) of being the ONLY QB to get CUT, after winning a Super Bowl. And, it took Dilfer THREE FULL YEARS as a starter (four years overall) before he made it to the post-season. Tebow got there in less than two years, without starting a full season in either one.


And if Warner could "make the NFL throws" early in his career, he wouldn't have been bagging groceries in Iowa. Again, please put that pipe down. It kills your brain cells.

Brady learned from Bledsoe; Rodgers learned from Favre; Young learned from Montana. And they all did so FOR SEVERAL YEARS. Under whom has Tebow studied and learned again....OH, THAT'S RIGHT!! Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn.......

[Reeves]

Some don't like Tebow and all because he's actually trying to live his faith not only in the arena that is professional football but also in the real world.  If he were black then the pussbag media would be falling all over themselves trying to suck up to him.

Fucktard liberals and more than a few asswipe atheists want the kid to fail in faith and football.  The former genuflected at the return of Michael Vick simply because he be black and Buddha knows there's not enough black players (at QB) in the Negro Football League, aka the National Football  League, aka the NFL.

Fuck that noise. 

I may be an atheist but Tebow's faith doesn't bother me in the least.  For fucks sake people, some comments here and in the media make me wonder if any of you are sooooooooooooo pained by the sight of a cross that you shrivel up in terror like some daywalking vampire. You would be better served by reserving your disgust for players that have multiple children by multiple women in multiple states.

You know... Like Antonio Cromag...errr....Cromart ie.  Oh wait!  He be black and therefore the media excuses him from being a fucktard by racial default.  Now there's a role model.  Hence the phrase, "that's how I role"...

I'll root for Tebow and anyone else, black, white or whathaveyou color that sincerely tries to live the faith of the Nazarene and in doing so set an excellent example for children interested in sports to look up to and emulate.    Football's just a game, but life isn't. 

Fuck islime.

[blacken700]

Put down the crackpipe and step WAY BACK. Young could barely hit the broad side of a barn, when he first started. Quite frankly, same went for Dilfer early on in their careers. Young SUCKED ROYALLY at first. Both of them made the throws alright.......half the time to the guys in the OTHER TEAM'S JERSEY.

Dilfer got BENCHED in '99, even after the Bucs won against the Bears (granted, the score was 6-3). The only reason he got his starting job back was because Eric Zeier cracked his ribs in a loss to Detroit. I saw Dilfer's years FIRSTHAND and he struggled almost as much as Tebow has.

Not to mention, Dilfer has the dubious distinction (undeserved, in my opinion) of being the ONLY QB to get CUT, after winning a Super Bowl. And, it took Dilfer THREE FULL YEARS as a starter (four years overall) before he made it to the post-season. Tebow got there in less than two years, without starting a full season in either one.


And if Warner could "make the NFL throws" early in his career, he wouldn't have been bagging groceries in Iowa. Again, please put that pipe down. It kills your brain cells.

Brady learned from Bledsoe; Rodgers learned from Favre; Young learned from Montana. And they all did so FOR SEVERAL YEARS. Under whom has Tebow studied and learned again....OH, THAT'S RIGHT!! Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn.......

 get off the jesus bandwagon,your as bad as the people that want him to fail because he prays all the time,your just on the opposite end.i could care less if he prays or not he can't play the position of quarterback.and for the record steve young worst year he was completing 53 % of his passes not 40 something like tebow,so go peddle your bullshit somewhere else

[MCWAY]

 get off the jesus bandwagon,your as bad as the people that want him to fail because he prays all the time,your just on the opposite end.i could care less if he prays or not he can't play the position of quarterback.and for the record steve young worst year he was completing 53 % of his passes not 40 something like tebow,so go peddle your bullshit somewhere else

Apparently, you didn't get your Reader Rabbit or Speak-N-Spell for Christmas. Steve Young was as awful as awful could get. And, I haven't said a THING about Tebow's faith, praying or anything of the sort. My discussion about Tebow has been about FOOTBALL, period (namely his need for a better QB coach, wideouts, and a full off-season of work). Again, quit puffing that pipe and step back.

But, O ye of little sense and reading comprehension, Young LEARNED (from Montana and Walsh) how to be a better quarterback. And, for the record, Tebow (during the Broncos' 6-game winning streak) completed 50% of his passes yet only threw 1 pick and 7 TDs. That's the streak that got the Broncos in position to WIN THE AFC WEST.

Did Young take his team to the playoffs in his second year? NO! Neither did Dilfer. Tebow (warts and all) HAS DONE THAT!!

And, in typical cowardly fashion, you ducked the issues being presented, because they make you look even more foolish than you normally make yourself. All of the aforementioned QBs (Brady, Rodgers, Young) had great QBs and QB coaches under which to study in which to improve and be better players. They also had great weapons at receivers.

To date, Tebow has NONE OF THAT. Yet, he has fought, clawed, and willed his team to a division title in his second year (despite not playing a full season of football). When he gets the time to work, the coaches to fix his flaws, and the playmakers around him, Tebow will improve significantly and take his game to the next level.

Digest that (once you get from rehab), before you spout any more foolishness.

[240 is Back]

Tebow caught a nice little sweet spot.

momentum was on his side, emotions were high, he was the story of the season.  He got hella lucky on some games, he caught defenses off guard with his style.  He was fresh and excited and nobody knew how to handle him.

Now?   Today, defenses know to cover their man, force him to run right, where he throws against his body (slowly) and is hella inaccurate.  A couple more hits and he'll slow down. His confidence starts sliding and he'll go 3-13.

He had a cool run.  As someone mentioned, faking an injury and starting a career as a spokesman, endorses, or politics would be the way to go.  He plays out 2 more years, and it'll be a year of decline in Denver followed by being cut and fighting with Pryor for 2nd on the Raiders depth chart.  

better to realize the weakness, smile at the position he's in, and scoot into the next step in life.  use his huge recognition for causes way beyond football.  He'll be set for life on $ with a year of that - someone would give him $5 mil to speak for a year, and then he can dedicate his life to something he's good at, really making a difference.

[blacken700]

no sense in arguing with someone who knows nothing about the position,like yourself.next year you will see if he plays the first 4 games as quarterback he will be lucky.i don't think he will do that.i think elway is looking for a replacement right now because he knows the position.unlike yourself

[MCWAY]

Tebow caught a nice little sweet spot.

momentum was on his side, emotions were high, he was the story of the season.  He got hella lucky on some games, he caught defenses off guard with his style.  He was fresh and excited and nobody knew how to handle him.

Now?   Today, defenses know to cover their man, force him to run right, where he throws against his body (slowly) and is hella inaccurate.  A couple more hits and he'll slow down. His confidence starts sliding and he'll go 3-13.

He had a cool run.  As someone mentioned, faking an injury and starting a career as a spokesman, endorses, or politics would be the way to go.  He plays out 2 more years, and it'll be a year of decline in Denver followed by being cut and fighting with Pryor for 2nd on the Raiders depth chart.  

better to realize the weakness, smile at the position he's in, and scoot into the next step in life.  use his huge recognition for causes way beyond football.  He'll be set for life on $ with a year of that - someone would give him $5 mil to speak for a year, and then he can dedicate his life to something he's good at, really making a difference.

His run isn't done yet. He's in the post-season. And what's been plaguing Tebow is turnovers. You will LOSE, turning over the football; I don't care who your quarterback is.

Of course, Tebow has weaknesses. I never claimed anything to the contrary. But those weaknesses can be fixed. Young had them; Roethlesberger had them; Rodgers had them. But, with time, good coaching, and better weapons, those quarterbacks became among the greats of the game.

To write off a guy, who's only been in the league two years and has played all of 14 games, is patently ABSURD (especially given that this same fellow took a 1-4 team to the playoffs). Brady, Rodgers, and Young all had legendary/HOF QB and great QB coaches to develop them.

Does Tebow have that, at the moment? NO!! Brady Quinn and Kyle Orton have been his mentors to date.

no sense in arguing with someone who knows nothing about the position,like yourself.next year you will see if he plays the first 4 games as quarterback he will be lucky.i don't think he will do that.i think elway is looking for a replacement right now because he knows the position.unlike yourself

And your NFL QB credentials would be.......

That's what I thought!!

"No sense" pretty much describes you and the tripe you've been spewing, ducking questions and key points, making yourself look silly (or sillier).

[tu_holmes]

His run isn't done yet. He's in the post-season. And what's been plaguing Tebow is turnovers. You will LOSE, turning over the football; I don't care who your quarterback is.

Of course, Tebow has weaknesses. I never claimed anything to the contrary. But those weaknesses can be fixed. Young had them; Roethlesberger had them; Rodgers had them. But, with time, good coaching, and better weapons, those quarterbacks became among the greats of the game.

To write off a guy, who's only been in the league two years and has played all of 14 games, is patently ABSURD (especially given that this same fellow took a 1-4 team to the playoffs). Brady, Rodgers, and Young all had legendary/HOF QB and great QB coaches to develop them.

Does Tebow have that, at the moment? NO!! Brady Quinn and Kyle Orton have been his mentors to date.


And your NFL QB credentials would be.......

That's what I thought!!

"No sense" pretty much describes you and the tripe you've been spewing, ducking questions and key points, making yourself look silly (or sillier).

Peyton Manning had no mentors.

I think QB coaches and what not, know what it takes... they have been in football for a long, long time.