1996 Mr. Olympia - Routines + Prejudging & Finals PICS!!!

[Shockwave]

Dorian is the sharpest most conditioned heavyweight bodybuilder ever but Nasser was more impressive size and development wise.

Wont get any argument hear - From the front Nasser was Mr. O seven ways from sunday. He had more muscle than almost everyone.
Till he turned around, then he looked like a middleweight. And his conditioning was hit-miss.

[yates fan]

looking at all these guys,top 6 all better than todays bodybuilders,nasser,kevin and shawn all looked great,its just crazy how much better dorian was than all of them,he would stomp anybody today.

[QuakerOats]

looking at all these guys,top 6 all better than todays bodybuilders,nasser,kevin and shawn all looked great,its just crazy how much better dorian was than all of them,he would stomp anybody today.

conditioning wise yes, roundness and fullness wise, no.

[bigbobs]

Yeah Nasser looks great, its because he used diuretics and no one else did because the IFBB tested this show.
It was tested for diuretics (Hence why Nasser was DQ'd), and Dorian said he sacrificed a LOT of size in order to make sure his condition was spot on without the diuretics.
Dorian won because he had unmatched conditioning while still being one of the biggest on the stage, and being complete head to toe. He has a front to back dry, dense thickness thats unmatched. Thats why he won.

Your post is so off base I'm not sure where to start.  If diuretics were the reason why Nasser looked better at the 96 Olympia, how then do you explain the 6 following GP shows where he beat everyone (except for the ones which Dorian competed in) - for the next few weeks after the O did he continue using diuretics whereas nobody else did and that gave him an advantage?    Truth is there was no diuretic test at the 96 Olympia, the competitors were informed there may be one and some used them some didn't.  Nasser mentioned in confidence to Mike Matarazzo that he used diuretics, who passed on the info to Manion and that's what got Nasser DQ'ed.  Also if Dorian really lost so much size in 96 in order to come in conditioned without diuretics why did his bodyweight not drop from his 95 showing?  And by 97 he had gained lbs and weighed 270.  By 96 Dorian's tears were becoming obvious yet he still won as he had the momentum of being the reigning Mr. O to his advantage + due to being a personal favourite among judges and IFBB officials.

[the_swami]

Your post is so off base I'm not sure where to start.  If diuretics were the reason why Nasser looked better at the 96 Olympia, how then do you explain the 6 following GP shows where he beat everyone (except for the ones which Dorian competed in) - for the next few weeks after the O did he continue using diuretics whereas nobody else did and that gave him an advantage?    Truth is there was no diuretic test at the 96 Olympia, the competitors were informed there may be one and some used them some didn't.  Nasser mentioned in confidence to Mike Matarazzo that he used diuretics, who passed on the info to Manion and that's what got Nasser DQ'ed.  Also if Dorian really lost so much size in 96 in order to come in conditioned without diuretics why did his bodyweight not drop from his 95 showing?  And by 97 he had gained lbs and weighed 270.  By 96 Dorian's tears were becoming obvious yet he still won as he had the momentum of being the reigning Mr. O to his advantage + due to being a personal favourite among judges and IFBB officials.

as usual bigbobs telling it like it is.................THE TRUTH

there was no diuretics testing @ the 96 O- do u think manion and de milia will waste their money on expensive drug testing??!!
Nasser was a victim of the snitch matarazo and  De milia wanted to appear as if the IFBB was testing becasue of the recent death of Munzer and b4 munzer, benaziza

[Shockwave]

Your post is so off base I'm not sure where to start.  If diuretics were the reason why Nasser looked better at the 96 Olympia, how then do you explain the 6 following GP shows where he beat everyone (except for the ones which Dorian competed in) - for the next few weeks after the O did he continue using diuretics whereas nobody else did and that gave him an advantage?    Truth is there was no diuretic test at the 96 Olympia, the competitors were informed there may be one and some used them some didn't.  Nasser mentioned in confidence to Mike Matarazzo that he used diuretics, who passed on the info to Manion and that's what got Nasser DQ'ed.  Also if Dorian really lost so much size in 96 in order to come in conditioned without diuretics why did his bodyweight not drop from his 95 showing?  And by 97 he had gained lbs and weighed 270.  By 96 Dorian's tears were becoming obvious yet he still won as he had the momentum of being the reigning Mr. O to his advantage + due to being a personal favourite among judges and IFBB officials.

Wow...... just wow. Dorian gains weight between every Olympia. Follow the ball here... Dorian tends to add muscle every year. You claimed he weighed the same as 95. Therefore, it follows that he added size in the offseason, and dieted EXTRA hard, dieting off the muscle he added in the offseason, putting him around the same weight as the year before but extra depleted for dryness.  .

Youre argument about the GP shows is retarded, they have NOTHING to do with the O. Nasser gambled on the diuretics and lost. If most competitors didnt use diuretics, the ones that cheated and used them would have a clear cut advantage right from the start - in this case Nasser did, he placed better because of it, then he got caught and DQ'd. End of story.

Entertaining your GP shows argument, of course Nasser is going to come into the GP shows a step ahead of the competitors that had to sacrifice size for dryness and conditioning @ the O.. Hes was able to hold onto more muscle and didnt have to worry about drying out, whereas the others already dieted a ton of muscle off, theyre already that much father behind.
 

Look I dont give a shit what bullshit excuses you come up with to make it OK, Nasser was DQ'd for diuretics, plain and simple, and no amount of explaining on your end changes that.
By your own statement Nasser admitted Diuretic use knowing a test was possible... so clearly he must have thought using them was worth the gamble of getting caught... kinda says a lot doesnt it?

[Sherief Shalaby]

Wow...... just wow. Dorian gains weight between every Olympia. Follow the ball here... Dorian tends to add muscle every year. You claimed he weighed the same as 95. Therefore, it follows that he added size in the offseason, and dieted EXTRA hard, dieting off the muscle he added in the offseason, putting him around the same weight as the year before but extra depleted for dryness.  .

Youre argument about the GP shows is retarded, they have NOTHING to do with the O. Nasser gambled on the diuretics and lost. If most competitors didnt use diuretics, the ones that cheated and used them would have a clear cut advantage right from the start - in this case Nasser did, he placed better because of it, then he got caught and DQ'd. End of story.

Entertaining your GP shows argument, of course Nasser is going to come into the GP shows a step ahead of the competitors that had to sacrifice size for dryness and conditioning @ the O.. Hes was able to hold onto more muscle and didnt have to worry about drying out, whereas the others already dieted a ton of muscle off, theyre already that much father behind.
 

Look I dont give a shit what bullshit excuses you come up with to make it OK, Nasser was DQ'd for diuretics, plain and simple, and no amount of explaining on your end changes that.
By your own statement Nasser admitted Diuretic use knowing a test was possible... so clearly he must have thought using them was worth the gamble of getting caught... kinda says a lot doesnt it?

the fridge used diuretics too in 2001 but was not dq'd.. politics??..

[bigbobs]

Also regarding Nasser vs. Levrone contest placings against each other, judges always gave Levrone so many more points in the posing round over Nasser at each show, that despite Nasser usually scoring more in the symmetry and muscularity rounds, Levrone got a better overall placing in many (still not all) shows against Nasser.

Whereas now for many years the posing round doesn't even count towards the contest placing (and rightfully so), therefore under today's judging standards Nasser would beat Levrone with ease.

[Shockwave]

the fridge used diuretics too in 2001 but was not dq'd.. politics??..

He was DQ'd, he sued and used a loophole.
He shouldnt have kept his placing, just as Nasser wasnt.
But with enough money and a good enough lawyer, it doesnt matter.

[Shockwave]

Also regarding Nasser vs. Levrone contest placings against each other, judges always gave Levrone so many more points in the posing round over Nasser at each show, that despite Nasser usually scoring more in the symmetry and muscularity rounds, Levrone got a better overall placing in many (still not all) shows against Nasser.

Whereas now for many years the posing round doesn't even count towards the contest placing (and rightfully so), therefore under today's judging standards Nasser would beat Levrone with ease.

Record doesnt speak for itself?
Cant convince others of your heroes greatness?

No problem, just resort to intangible, unprovable, and completely off topic arguements to try and skew reality to feel better about the fact that your hero never quite had what it took!

Nasser isnt competing today, and the rules back then were NOT what they were today, so again, your argument has no basis in reality.
No one cares that Nasser might win a contest when you rewrite the rules in his favor based on history. 

[bigbobs]

Record doesnt speak for itself?
Cant convince others of your heroes greatness?

No problem, just resort to intangible, unprovable, and completely off topic arguements to try and skew reality to feel better about the fact that your hero never quite had what it took!

Nasser isnt competing today, and the rules back then were NOT what they were today, so again, your argument has no basis in reality.
No one cares that Nasser might win a contest when you rewrite the rules in his favor based on history.  

Using your flawed logic there can be no discussion of bodybuilding contests at all because the answers to every questoin are in the contest results lol.  This is a gossip and opinions board so various scenerios and topics can be and are discussed.  I`m not disputing the contest results of past shows that`s black and white and can`t be disputed, however when discussing who had a better physique, who would beat who at their best, etc. these other factors are worthy of discussion.

Just like the fact that Shawn only beat Nasser by one point in the 96 Olympia and the fact that there were diuretics that were not on the prohibited list in 96 and other pros used those as well (Yates diuretic free you really believe that  )

[Shockwave]

Using your flawed logic there can be no discussion of bodybuilding contests at all because the answers to every questoin are in the contest results lol.  This is a gossip and opinions board so various scenerios and topics can be and are discussed.  I`m not disputing the contest results of past shows that`s black and white and can`t be disputed, however when discussing who had a better physique, who would beat who at their best, etc. these other factors are worthy of discussion.

Just like the fact that Shawn only beat Nasser by one point in the 96 Olympia and the fact that there were diuretics that were not on the prohibited list in 96 and other pros used those as well (Yates diuretic free you really believe that  )

No, I just dont deal with intangibles like they are fact like you do.
I freely admit Dorian shouldnt have won 97.

Youre so infatuated with Nasser that you actually try and rewrite history and tell people how he was so amazing, how he was this unstoppable juggurnaut of BB; when in actuallity he didnt win that much, and he didnt even have that long of a career as a legit threat. These are facts.

But yet you and team Nasser argue and try and convince others all bunch of shit that flies in the face of reality, and you use obtuse arguements and intangibles to try and make your point.

You guys cant even admit Nasser didnt place in 96 cause he got caught for diuretics. You guys have to try and twist everything to make it seem like he was singled out. Not that he got caught, but it was IFBB politics "holding him down"  Sad really.

[johnny1]

Awesome work iceman, Yates Conditioning was Incredible in 1996 not as full as 1995 but the actual DETAIL in the Muscle Conditioning all round was right up there with his Best.

[Iceman1981]

Awesome work iceman, Yates Conditioning was Incredible in 1996 not as full as 1995 but the actual DETAIL in the Muscle Conditioning all round was right up there with his Best.

NP Johnny. Yates conditioning was great, but his arms and delts were down in size from 1995. Looked great though.

I'm trying to get my hands on the 1996 German Grand Prix DVD.

[Sherief Shalaby]

NP Johnny. Yates conditioning was great, but his arms and delts were down in size from 1995. Looked great though.

I'm trying to get my hands on the 1996 German Grand Prix DVD.

the whole english GP 96 video was on YT.. not sure if it's still there..

[Iceman1981]

the whole english GP 96 video was on YT.. not sure if it's still there..

I saw that as well. Here are pics from that show:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/englishgrandprix1996/

[The_Hammer]

WOW DORIAN DOMINATED.

NASSER LOOKED GOOD FROM THE FRONT, BUT LOOKED EMBARRASSING FROM THE BACK.

[Sherief Shalaby]

WOW DORIAN DOMINATED.

NASSER LOOKED GOOD FROM THE FRONT, BUT LOOKED EMBARRASSING FROM THE BACK.

you too looked embarrassing when you posted before a pic. of another guy as if it was you then when you were proven wrong you like an asshole said it was a joke

[Papper]

He was DQ'd, he sued and used a loophole.
He shouldnt have kept his placing, just as Nasser wasnt.
But with enough money and a good enough lawyer, it doesnt matter.

what loophole did he use?

[Karpaasi]

what loophole did he use?

The testing facility had an expired license so Jay claimed that results weren't official and threatened to sue them if they will not overturn the results. Jay kept his second place.

That year Levrone hadn't fill the paperwork to compete. They decided at the last moment that he is eligible if he pays 25k. He did and placed third. Shawn Ray was so pissed off that he retired because of those reasons. If everything was done by the books he would've been second.