Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser

[Sherief Shalaby]

I think Bob and Sherif need to take there rose coloured glasses of nasser off here and look at the bigger picture - you guys are blinded with your admiration of Nasser that you can not give fair Critiques.

yes the judges too were blinded and so were putting him always ahead of mike

[Sherief Shalaby]

95 and onward (Nasser's best) where Francois competed in also but did not even place close to Nasser

Stupid statement which was typed without any research and ironically not anything to '' back " it up

in 1997 he placed third behind Nasser twice , once at the Arnold and again San Jose pro , so to claim he ' did not even place close to Nasser ' is not only ignorant but stupid because you could have easily checked instead of me correcting you as usual.

Another stupid statement NOT backed up with anything either , yet you demand others back up their claim

94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser (Nasser got 2nd, which was a horrible judging decision)

How do you know? what was the score card? where is the link?

Another dumb statement

95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him.  

Mike was NOT close to his best at the 1995 Mr Olympia because Mike did the spring shows ( where he won BTW ) and couldn't peak again and who knows how it would have turned out , because Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser

seriously bro do your research or run the risk of looking stupid and having me point it out.

you call bobs comments stupid??.. really??.. yours is pure stupidity as always.. so when mike beat a "return back" flex in 95 at the AC and olympia you make it "Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser"!!!.. actually nasser beat both of them in 95 and beat flex again in 96.. flex beat him later in 97 and 98 but this is another story because he beat francois too in 97

to make it simple so you can understand:

- mike beat a return back flex in 95..
- nasser beat both of them in 95 and 96..
- flex beat both of them in 97..

so you cant stupidly say mike beat flex who beat nasser!!!..

[Sherief Shalaby]

Wow you totally show your biases in posts such as this.  So Francois was far from his best at the 95 Olympia because he did a spring show, even though Nasser did the Houston and NOC shows the same year? lol.  If Francois couldn't peak again it just adds to the list of reasons why he was an inferior bodybuilder to Nasser.  And you're pointing out that he beat Flex at the 95 AC even though its previously been argued to death that Flex was still recovering in 95 (btw Nasser beat Flex decisively at the 95 Olympia as well), again, irrelevent to the discussion here.

And lol at the fact that you've challenged me to find a link to scorecards to say that Nasser and Francois were close at the 94 NOC even though you did not provide any link to the scores of Francois' two placings behind Nasser at the 97 Arnold and San Jose pro shows.  Why the double standard?

But again that's all irrelevent, fact is Francois never beat Nasser at his best.  Any further arguments to Francois' favour are always filled with if's - if his career didn't end early, if he kept continuing to improve, if he could have peakd twice in 95, etc. 

bobs is destroying the magazines parrot dorian cok sucker as always..

great point bobs,.. the parrot said that mike couldnt peak at the olympia (in september) because he had competed at the AC (in january) while as you said the wizard peaked at the olympia although he has competed at the NOC (in june)!!!.. then he calls your comments stupid

[Sherief Shalaby]

if you go on competitive history,nasser kills mike,especially at the o.if you go on potential its hard to say cause mike never fulfilled his,although he did have the better back,something that always seemed necessasary to win the olympia.

as i said before how are you so sure mike never fulfilled his potential??.. it's all guessing and cant be taken seriously.. a lot of top pros presented their very best very early in their careers and couldnt repeat the same shape again although they continues to compete many years after this!!.. flex at the AC 93,.. levrone at the olympia 92,.. dillett in 94.. even imo nasser's best was at the NOC 95!!.. so if it's a guessing why dont you guess mike would have not surpassed his ac 95 shape??.. i am not confirming he would have or not but i am saying no body knows!!..

[NarcissisticDeity]

you call bobs comments stupid??.. really??.. yours is pure stupidity as always.. so when mike beat a "return back" flex in 95 at the AC and olympia you make it "Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser"!!!.. actually nasser beat both of them in 95 and beat flex again in 96.. flex beat him later in 97 and 98 but this is another story because he beat francois too in 97

to make it simple so you can understand:

- mike beat a return back flex in 95..
- nasser beat both of them in 95 and 96..
- flex beat both of them in 97..

so you cant stupidly say mike beat flex who beat nasser!!!..

Yeah a return Flex that was so bad be placed second at the Arnold Classic  a ' return ' Flex who was so bad he won more pro shows in 1995 than Nasser    don't try and cheapen Mike's victory over Flex it was a huge accomplishment when Flex was actually in shape unlike the Olympia where he wasn't when Nasser beat him

Bobs statements were really stupid because he simply made them up , like Mike never got close to Nasser after 95 ( a lie which he could have checked very easily ) or Mike somehow just barely won over Nasser in 94 NOC  it isn't the first time Bobs made shit up like Levrone , no where in my statements did I outright lie learn the difference or end up looking stupid like Bobs 

[NarcissisticDeity]

bobs is destroying the magazines parrot dorian cok sucker as always..

great point bobs,.. the parrot said that mike couldnt peak at the olympia (in september) because he had competed at the AC (in january) while as you said the wizard peaked at the olympia although he has competed at the NOC (in june)!!!.. then he calls your comments stupid

Hahahahahahaha Team Nasser meltdown mode , hurry lets all defend Bobs because he's getting owned for making shit up again and NarcissisticDeity is calling him out on it 

How about Bobs outright lied and said Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on? was he destroying me?  no he was just making shit up , oh how about Mike just barely beat Nasser in 94 another outright lie he tried to weasel his way out when I called him on it 

Same butt-hurt Nasser fan boys defending their ' hero ' yet again with lies and stupid statements , Team-Nassqueer going strong in 2012 the excuses are flowing like wine.   

 

[The_Hammer]

It's funny how TEAM NASSER likes to compare Nasser's best to other bodybuilders in other competitons, but when a superior bodybuilder like Mike is compared at his best ('95 AC) to Nasser's best ('97 O) they become super defensive and deflect.

IMO the physique Mike displayed at the '95 Arnold was superior to any physique Nasser ever presented.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, the King of Bodybuilding, himself said Mike had NO WEAK POINTS.

Does Team Nasser think Nasser had no weak points?

[dr.chimps]

It's funny how TEAM NASSER likes to compare Nasser's best to other bodybuilders in other competitons, but when a superior bodybuilder like Mike is compared at his best ('95 AC) to Nasser's best ('97 O) they become super defensive and deflect.

IMO the physique Mike displayed at the '95 Arnold was superior to any physique Nasser ever presented.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, the King of Bodybuilding, himself said Mike had NO WEAK POINTS.

Does Team Nasser think Nasser had no weak points?

Infidel! It would be akin to questioning the Koran. Nasser is inerrant.   

[bigbobs]

It's funny how TEAM NASSER likes to compare Nasser's best to other bodybuilders in other competitons, but when a superior bodybuilder like Mike is compared at his best ('95 AC) to Nasser's best ('97 O) they become super defensive and deflect.

IMO the physique Mike displayed at the '95 Arnold was superior to any physique Nasser ever presented.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, the King of Bodybuilding, himself said Mike had NO WEAK POINTS.

Does Team Nasser think Nasser had no weak points?

Irrelevent question.  If having weak points (or not) was the only criteria then someone like Shawn Ray woudl have won every mr. Ol title. 

Francois had many chances on stage to beat Nasser but the fact is he simply could not do so from 95 onward.  I really doubt Francois himself would even say he was a better bodybuilder than Nasser.  Just months after Mike's 95 AC he got 7th at the 95 O compared to Nasser's 3rd placing.  Yet Francois fans will cling to their only argument that "95 AC is Francois' best and since Nasser did not compete int he 95 AC you can't speculate who would have been better!"   

[Sherief Shalaby]

Yeah a return Flex that was so bad be placed second at the Arnold Classic   a ' return ' Flex who was so bad he won more pro shows in 1995 than Nasser   don't try and cheapen Mike's victory over Flex it was a huge accomplishment when Flex was actually in shape unlike the Olympia where he wasn't when Nasser beat him

Bobs statements were really stupid because he simply made them up , like Mike never got close to Nasser after 95 ( a lie which he could have checked very easily ) or Mike somehow just barely won over Nasser in 94 NOC   it isn't the first time Bobs made shit up like Levrone , no where in my statements did I outright lie learn the difference or end up looking stupid like Bobs  

i didnt say flex looked bad in AC 95 but sure it would have been another story for mike if he "flex" came in the same shape he presented in ironman 98!!.. and yes he came 2nd at the AC in 95 but the 3rd and 4th were 2nd tire pros..

and you clearly said mike beat flex who beat nasser many times!!!.. forgetting that mike never beat flex except in 95 and flex started to beat nasser in 97 after nasser was beating him in 95 and 96..

using your stupid logic i can say thierry pastel who beat benaziza who beat dorian

[Sherief Shalaby]

Hahahahahahaha Team Nasser meltdown mode , hurry lets all defend Bobs because he's getting owned for making shit up again and NarcissisticDeity is calling him out on it 

How about Bobs outright lied and said Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on? was he destroying me?  no he was just making shit up , oh how about Mike just barely beat Nasser in 94 another outright lie he tried to weasel his way out when I called him on it 

Same butt-hurt Nasser fan boys defending their ' hero ' yet again with lies and stupid statements , Team-Nassqueer going strong in 2012 the excuses are flowing like wine.   

 

yes in the NOC 94 flex report said that nasser was the deserved winner by many.. i dont have that issue of flex magazine but i have an arabian bb magazine saying this and all its articles were translated from flex magazine..

yes it was one of the worst judging decisions ever!!..

[bigbobs]

i didnt say flex looked bad in AC 95 but sure it would have been another story for mike if he "flex" came in the same shape he presented in ironman 98!!.. and yes he came 2nd at the AC in 95 but the 3rd and 4th were 2nd tire pros..

and you clearly said mike beat flex who beat nasser many times!!!.. forgetting that mike never beat flex except in 95 and flex started to beat nasser in 97 after nasser was beating him in 95 and 96..

using your stupid logic i can say thierry pastel who beat benaziza who beat dorian

Yes ND does show biases at times like the bolded text lol, I'm sure he knew better but just wanted to include a point for Francois against Nasser even though he knew it was a dumb comment too. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes ND does show biases at times like the bolded text lol, I'm sure he knew better but just wanted to include a point for Francois against Nasser even though he knew it was a dumb comment too. 

 

I told you I never really gave this subject much thought but already concluded Nasser would probably beat him from the front and him from the back , so I'm really not biased when it comes to either , I can assess the situation more honestly and with less emotion involved than you guys

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes in the NOC 94 flex report said that nasser was the deserved winner by many.. i dont have that issue of flex magazine but i have an arabian bb magazine saying this and all its articles were translated from flex magazine..

yes it was one of the worst judging decisions ever!!..

Says the guy who bitches & moans about me being a Flex magazine parrot but is now doing the same , hypocrite much? 

I don't have much invested in this , solely going by the pictures ( which admittedly is inaccurate ) Nasser looks better in some shots and Mike in others , the scale is obviously off favoring Nasser because Mike is only 3" shorter but in some shots looks like it's 6" shorter but it could have been a close contest but it's not so blatantly obvious that Nasser was better only to Nasser fans 

You're acting like this is 1981 Mr Olympia 

[bigbobs]

I told you I never really gave this subject much thought but already concluded Nasser would probably beat him from the front and him from the back , so I'm really not biased when it comes to either , I can assess the situation more honestly and with less emotion involved than you guys

Yes you are biased even though you are trying to hide it, otherwise you would not made the comment earlier that Francois beat Flex at the 95 AC and Flex beat Nasser many times lol.  You were trying to imply that Francois is somehow better than Nasser due to that, even though you know very well that the 95 AC Flex was not the version of Flex from 98 onward.

Nasser was a threat to the Olympia title many times, Francois never cracked top 6.  He won an AC in 95 in which no one from the lineup could even crack the top 6 at the Olympia the same year, despite Nasser getting 3rd that year and even two people Nasser beat at the NOC the same year beat Francois at the 95 Olympia too.  Francois had may chances to beat Nasser after 95 but could not.  There's really no debate here.  All the Francois fans hold on to is the "argument" that Nasser did not compete at the 95 AC so we'll "never know" what would have happened    Yup, the only contest that matters is the one Nasser did not compete it, convenient.

[The_Hammer]

Irrelevent question.  If having weak points (or not) was the only criteria then someone like Shawn Ray woudl have won every mr. Ol title. 

Francois had many chances on stage to beat Nasser but the fact is he simply could not do so from 95 onward.  I really doubt Francois himself would even say he was a better bodybuilder than Nasser.  Just months after Mike's 95 AC he got 7th at the 95 O compared to Nasser's 3rd placing.  Yet Francois fans will cling to their only argument that "95 AC is Francois' best and since Nasser did not compete int he 95 AC you can't speculate who would have been better!"   

Stop deflecting.

Shawn Ray DID have weak points.  He wasn't big enough.  Case in point:



DOES TEAM NASSER THINK NASSER HAD ANY WEAK POINTS?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes you are biased even though you are trying to hide it, otherwise you would not made the comment earlier that Francois beat Flex at the 95 AC and Flex beat Nasser many times lol.  You were trying to imply that Francois is somehow better than Nasser due to that, even though you know very well that the 95 AC Flex was not the version of Flex from 98 onward.

Nasser was a threat to the Olympia title many times, Francois never cracked top 6.  He won an AC in 95 in which no one from the lineup could even crack the top 6 at the Olympia the same year, despite Nasser getting 3rd that year and even two people Nasser beat at the NOC the same year beat Francois at the 95 Olympia too.  Francois had may chances to beat Nasser after 95 but could not.  There's really no debate here.  All the Francois fans hold on to is the "argument" that Nasser did not compete at the 95 AC so we'll "never know" what would have happened    Yup, the only contest that matters is the one Nasser did not compete it, convenient.

Yes you are biased even though you are trying to hide it, otherwise you would not made the comment earlier that Francois beat Flex at the 95 AC and Flex beat Nasser many times lol.  You were trying to imply that Francois is somehow better than Nasser due to that, even though you know very well that the 95 AC Flex was not the version of Flex from 98 onward.

That was to get fanboys flustered and it obviously worked

Nasser was a threat to the Olympia title many times, Francois never cracked top 6.  He won an AC in 95 in which no one from the lineup could even crack the top 6 at the Olympia the same year, despite Nasser getting 3rd that year and even two people Nasser beat at the NOC the same year beat Francois at the 95 Olympia too.  Francois had may chances to beat Nasser after 95 but could not.  There's really no debate here.  All the Francois fans hold on to is the "argument" that Nasser did not compete at the 95 AC so we'll "never know" what would have happened    Yup, the only contest that matters is the one Nasser did not compete it, convenient.

Nasser was NEVER a threat to Dorian ever , maybe in 98 when Dorian retired he stood the best chance he ever had to win the contest but as usual he failed to more superior bodybuilders.

Again I don't care about Mike V Nasser and haven't given it much thought , and after a quick analysis  it obvious Mike would wipe the floor with Nasser from the back and Nasser would return the favor from the front , both were good bodybuilders and you're right Mike had many shots at Nasser and failed but then again he got sick too

[NarcissisticDeity]

Stop deflecting.

Shawn Ray DID have weak points.  He wasn't big enough.  Case in point:



DOES TEAM NASSER THINK NASSER HAD ANY WEAK POINTS?

He had more than just not being big enough.

[bigbobs]

Stop deflecting.

Shawn Ray DID have weak points.  He wasn't big enough.  Case in point:



DOES TEAM NASSER THINK NASSER HAD ANY WEAK POINTS?

Yup, and Francois was not big enough compared to Nasser - that's Francois' weak point.  

here are a few questions for you:

DID FRANCOIS EVER GET EVEN TOP 6 AT AN OLYMPIA LIKE NASSER DID MANY TIMES?

DID FRANCOIS EVER BEAT NASSER FROM 95 ONWARD?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yup, and Francois was not big enough compared to Nasser - that's Francois' weak point.  

here are a few questions for you:

DID FRANCOIS EVER GET EVEN TOP 6 AT AN OLYMPIA LIKE NASSER DID MANY TIMES?

DID FRANCOIS EVER BEAT NASSER FROM 95 ONWARD?

That wasn't a weak point because Nasser was bigger than 99% of the guys he competed with and regularly lost to them

Mike had weak points as did Nasser as does everyone

[bigbobs]

That was to get fanboys flustered and it obviously worked

Nasser was NEVER a threat to Dorian ever , maybe in 98 when Dorian retired he stood the best chance he ever had to win the contest but as usual he failed to more superior bodybuilders.

Again I don't care about Mike V Nasser and haven't given it much thought , and after a quick analysis  it obvious Mike would wipe the floor with Nasser from the back and Nasser would return the favor from the front , both were good bodybuilders and you're right Mike had many shots at Nasser and failed but then again he got sick too

well I guess I can't tell when to take what you say seriously or not because how does one know whether it's to get the "fanboys" flustered or not?  As far as I know you know deep down Nasser was the better bodybuilder between the two but you're not admitting it in order to get the "fanboys flustered"

[NarcissisticDeity]

well I guess I can't tell when to take what you say seriously or not because how does one know whether it's to get the "fanboys" flustered or not?  As far as I know you know deep down Nasser was the better bodybuilder between the two but you're not admitting it in order to get the "fanboys flustered"

I already said Nasser beats him from the front , I think Nasser beats him in the ab-thigh easily and the front double biceps the latspreads and closer as is the standing relaxed  , I think Mike beats Nasser from the back just as soundly the sides are kinda of in the air but because I would really need to see them side-by-side on-stage at the same time to get a real good look , and I don't mean 94 because neither were at their best

[Royalty]

Nasser himself felt that he had weak points; thats why he ultimately over did the synthol thing

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser himself felt that he had weak points; thats why he ultimately over did the synthol thing

That's ' scar tissue '

[bigbobs]

I already said Nasser beats him from the front , I think Nasser beats him in the ab-thigh easily and the front double biceps the latspreads and closer as is the standing relaxed  , I think Mike beats Nasser from the back just as soundly the sides are kinda of in the air but because I would really need to see them side-by-side on-stage at the same time to get a real good look , and I don't mean 94 because neither were at their best

You've said many times before that shows are not judged based on a break-down of each mandatory pose

Based on the facts I've said numerous times - that shortly after the 95 AC Francois lost by far (7th vs. 3rd) to Nasser at the 95 Olympia, and lost to Nasser in several shows thereafter - I find it highly unplausible that 95 AC Francois woudl stand a chance against Nasser.  Even Nasser aside, but none of the 95 AC lineup who Francois beat were able to beat the 95 NOC top 3 (Nasser, Taylor and Cormier) at the Olympia the same year - shows that the 95 AC lineup was not particularly competitive that year.