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Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« on: January 27, 2012, 11:09:01 AM »
If the Republican primaries are any indication, one big debate in the upcoming election will be whether President Obama is pushing the country toward a European-style welfare culture.

Mitt Romney, for example, argues that "over the past three years, Barack Obama has been replacing our merit-based society with an entitlement society."

Newt Gingrich has taken to calling Obama "the best food-stamp president in American history."

Obama, in contrast, says the government must play an increasing role — what he likes to call "shared responsibility" — to ensure a society that is fairer.

So is Obama turning the country into a welfare society and away from one focused on opportunity?

While it's true that the country has been headed in this direction for many years — with the explosion in entitlements since the 1960s and the aging of the population — Obama has, in fact, greatly accelerated the trend. Examples:

Direct payments. The amount of money the federal government hands out in direct payments to individuals steadily increased over the past four decades, but shot up under Obama, climbing by almost $600 billion — a 32% increase — in his first three years. And Obama's last budget called for these payments to climb another $500 billion by 2016, at which point they would account for fully two-thirds of all federal spending.

People getting benefits. According to the Census Bureau 49% now live in homes where at least one person gets a federal benefit — Social Security, workers comp, unemployment, subsidized housing, and the like. That's up from 44% the year before Obama took office, and way up from 1983, when fewer than a third were government beneficiaries.

Food stamps. This year, more than 46 million (15% of all Americans) will get food stamps. That's 45% higher than when Obama took office, and twice as high as the average for the previous 40 years. This surge was driven in part by the recession, but also because Obama boosted the benefit amount as part of his stimulus plan.

Disability. The number of people on Social Security disability has steadily climbed since the 1970s, thanks mainly to easier eligibility rules. But their numbers jumped 10% in Obama's first two years in office, according to the Social Security Administration. That sharp rise was due largely to meager job prospects since the recession ended in 2009. When employment opportunities are scarce, experts note, many who could otherwise work sign up for disability benefits instead.

Health care. The government's role in health care has grown over the past decades, with 45% of all health spending now coming from the federal government, up from 32% in 1990. But this trend will dramatically accelerate should ObamaCare remain the law of the land. In eight years, ObamaCare will add 16 million people to Medicaid, according to the Congressional Budget Office, and another 24 million will be getting coverage through heavily subsidized government-run insurance exchanges, with the cost of those subsidies running $130 billion a year.

Corporate welfare. Prior to Obama, the federal government was already dishing out $92 billion in corporate welfare programs — in the form of subsidized loans, special tax breaks, bailouts and the like — the Cato Institute found. Obama added tremendously to this largesse. Federal grants to the energy sector, for example, quadrupled to over $18 billion in 2009, according to the Pew Charitable Trusts' Subsidyscope.

While each of these and other federal benefit programs may be designed with good intentions, their combined weight is already overwhelming the budget.

In just nine years, entitlement spending is on track to eat up 61% of the federal budget, according to the CBO. And unless these programs are cut back, they will soon consume all federal taxes, one CBO budget scenario predicts.

The problem is that once federal benefits get started, few Americans want to see them cut back, much less eliminated. Even with $1 trillion annual deficits, just 24% would support cutting Social Security and only 16% would back Medicare cuts, according to the November 2011 IBD/TIPP poll.

"Once we thought 'entitlement' meant that Americans were entitled to the privilege of trying to succeed in the greatest country in the world," Romney said in a recent speech. "But today the new entitlement battle is over the size of the check you get from Washington."

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2012, 11:11:54 AM »
its all intentional to collapse the system. 

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 11:14:42 AM »
its all intentional to collapse the system. 

i agree 1000000%

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 11:31:11 AM »
IMO, he doesn't want to 'collapse the system' - he would have done it already.  And it's quite the CT, you know.

his goal is to get majority of people dependent upon govt teet.   then the dems win every election.  period.  it's that simple.


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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 11:32:58 AM »
IMO, he doesn't want to 'collapse the system' - he would have done it already.  And it's quite the CT, you know.

his goal is to get majority of people dependent upon govt teet.   then the dems win every election.  period.  it's that simple.



If everyone is on the system then it will collapse!

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 11:34:39 AM »
If everyone is on the system then it will collapse!

No.   Not at all.   IF IF IF you can get 40% of people to support the other 60%, it works.

Look at the family unit - dad works (100%), ,mom and 3 kids are dependent upon him.  Look at it like that.  Four people on the block work, and 6 people stay home. 

Or, in this case, 49% of people pay for all our roads and wars, and 51% of people do not.

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 11:35:18 AM »
No.   Not at all.   IF IF IF you can get 40% of people to support the other 60%, it works.

Look at the family unit - dad works (100%), ,mom and 3 kids are dependent upon him.  Look at it like that.  Four people on the block work, and 6 people stay home. 

Or, in this case, 49% of people pay for all our roads and wars, and 51% of people do not.


Are we on the road to collapse w our present trajectory? 

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 11:44:03 AM »

Are we on the road to collapse w our present trajectory? 

yes, but obama didn't create that, and the next repub will continue it.   Obama isn't "trying" to do it - but he's not stoppping it either.

obama wants power, ,and wants to feed $ to his friends.  it's that simple. 

both parties do actually, and you know this.  When the economy is good, people vote repubs.  When it's bad, they vote dems.  obama likes it when people are poor and dependent.

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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 11:45:55 AM »
yes, but obama didn't create that, and the next repub will continue it.   Obama isn't "trying" to do it - but he's not stoppping it either.

obama wants power, ,and wants to feed $ to his friends.  it's that simple. 

both parties do actually, and you know this.  When the economy is good, people vote repubs.  When it's bad, they vote dems.  obama likes it when people are poor and dependent.

 ::)  ::)

He only piled on and on and on and on.   

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 11:51:03 AM »
of course he did, 33.   no denying that.   but if you asked obama "would you rather collapse the govt and US economic system and pluge the USA into a 3rd world hellhole" or "would you rather just have a nations of broke asses who vote dem because they have to..."

Which do you think the truth would be?  He doesn't benefit from USA being bankrupt. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2012, 11:54:56 AM »
of course he did, 33.   no denying that.   but if you asked obama "would you rather collapse the govt and US economic system and pluge the USA into a 3rd world hellhole" or "would you rather just have a nations of broke asses who vote dem because they have to..."

Which do you think the truth would be?  He doesn't benefit from USA being bankrupt. 

He seemed to take that debt downgrade in pure stride no?

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2012, 11:56:09 AM »
He seemed to take that debt downgrade in pure stride no?

he seemed to cite the reason for it according to those doing the downgrading - brinksmanship - and use it to his political advantage in painting the GOP congress as morons.

of course, they did cut 385 million from the budget.  So they won.   ::)

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2012, 11:57:27 AM »
he seemed to cite the reason for it according to those doing the downgrading - brinksmanship - and use it to his political advantage in painting the GOP congress as morons.

of course, they did cut 385 million from the budget.  So they won.   ::)

The sole reason for the debt downgrade was due solely to Obama.   YES SOLELY DUE TO OBAMA 

He rejected Simpson Bowles, rejected the house GOP budgets, did not present a viable budget to the Senate, etc.   


YOU BOY WONDER MESSIAH IS THE CAUSE OF THIS. 

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2012, 12:01:37 PM »
So what did the Gop congress 'win" from that mess?   Obama got his debt raise.  They didn't cut spending but 385 mil. 

And you had silly GOP congressman yelling 'shut it down".

It's hard to blame obama when others are screaming for govt shutdown.  I mean, you are 100% right, but perception is all that matters - and most people view a screaming congressman screaming about shutting down govt services are nuts, and the def of brinksmanship.  Youre right here, but that doesnt matter in an election.

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2012, 12:06:38 PM »
So what did the Gop congress 'win" from that mess?   Obama got his debt raise.  They didn't cut spending but 385 mil. 

And you had silly GOP congressman yelling 'shut it down".

It's hard to blame obama when others are screaming for govt shutdown.  I mean, you are 100% right, but perception is all that matters - and most people view a screaming congressman screaming about shutting down govt services are nuts, and the def of brinksmanship.  Youre right here, but that doesnt matter in an election.


And if they would have shut er down they would have been blamed as well. 

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2012, 12:08:25 PM »
Since December 2008, a month before Mr. Obama took office, food-stamp use has increased 46 percent. Total spending has more than doubled in just four years to a record high of $75 billion. In 2011, more than 46 million people — about one in seven Americans — got food stamps.

That's 14 million more than when Mr. Obama took office.




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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 12:11:35 PM »
No.   Not at all.   IF IF IF you can get 40% of people to support the other 60%, it works.

Look at the family unit - dad works (100%), ,mom and 3 kids are dependent upon him.  Look at it like that.  Four people on the block work, and 6 people stay home.  

Or, in this case, 49% of people pay for all our roads and wars, and 51% of people do not.

Very nice analogy!  Only problem is socialism doesn't work that way.  If the dad says "forget this, I'm gonna quit my job, sit on my butt and drink beer all day", then the family will end up on the streets, poor, hungry and homeless.  That's because the other working dads will not subsidize and support the irresponsible, lazy dad and his family.

In socialist, welfare states on the other hand, half of the 40% who support the 60% can say  "forget this, I'm gonna quit my job, be lazy and join the 60%.  Now you have 20% supporting 80%....the system collapses and you end up like the failed soviet union and the rest of Europe.  

Italy, Spain downgraded by Fitch
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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2012, 03:58:24 PM »
No.   Not at all.   IF IF IF you can get 40% of people to support the other 60%, it works.

Look at the family unit - dad works (100%), ,mom and 3 kids are dependent upon him.  Look at it like that.  Four people on the block work, and 6 people stay home. 

Or, in this case, 49% of people pay for all our roads and wars, and 51% of people do not.
Cracker Jack U's validictorian strikes again...

you see the day gets a benefit from supporting his family, what benefit do the 49% get?

They dad would quit to if he knew the family down the street would support him and his family too, wouldnt he?

guess those econ classes in your mba program didnt stick huh?

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 04:10:26 PM »
you see the day gets a benefit from supporting his family, what benefit do the 49% get?

tax dollars paid on his income and spending go to paying for their roads, police, fire dept, and social services.


They dad would quit to if he knew the family down the street would support him and his family too, wouldnt he?

that's why the MSM keeps it under wraps... talking about polar bear attacks and newt's open marriages.  Fox included.

guess those econ classes in your mba program didnt stick huh?

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Re: Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 04:14:46 PM »
tax dollars paid on his income and spending go to paying for their roads, police, fire dept, and social services.


that's why the MSM keeps it under wraps... talking about polar bear attacks and newt's open marriages.  Fox included.

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Im sorry I should have known i needed to be more specific, after all the cereal box your diploma came in gave step by step directions for opening it...What benefit do the 49% get that the 51% do not get?

 I know youre mba came in the mail but what would your decision be?

work and get benefits or not work and get the same benefits?(hint: cost benefit analysis, google can help you with this)

thats wonderful I dont care about the MSM i care about the idiocy being carried on around here...