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« Reply #175 on: August 03, 2017, 03:47:21 PM »

Why do you guys suppose that someone who'd "hack" our election wouldn't go right for the vote-tallying system?  In the main report itself it says that it wasn't touched.

Why's that?
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« Reply #176 on: August 03, 2017, 04:04:57 PM »

Using the definition of "hacking" that you posted, it's clear someone hacked John Podesta's email.  But using "hacking" in the context of this entire stupid conspiracy theory is incomprehensible.  Saying Russia "hacked" our election implies they got into voting machines, changed vote tallies, etc., and that Trump was somehow involved in this effort.  That's the point you appear to understand.  It's the dumbest conspiracy theory since 9/11 Troofers arrived on the scene. 

The power of implication and perception is enormous. Wise people assume a "wait and see" position. Unfortunately not everything that happens can be proved. Theories should not be used to condemn or prosecute a person. It is unfortunate that sometimes they are.

One of the times I served on jury duty, the defendant was charged with a DUII. It was not her first. Everyone on the jury was convinced that there was a strong likelihood she'd been drinking when she was arrested. Unfortunately, the prosecution provided no proof, just theories and assumptions. We jurors found her innocent.
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« Reply #177 on: August 03, 2017, 04:20:05 PM »

That sounds interesting, Prime.

And yes I think certain individuals would be thrilled if they could keep a cloud of negativity over Trump's entire time in office as we "wait and see" what happens with the "election hacking" story.
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« Reply #178 on: August 03, 2017, 04:22:21 PM »

I apologize if my sincere open gesture to speak by phone was considered inappropriate ( creepy) by you.
I suspect I'm older then you, and talking by phone is what I prefer.
Of course, you never know who's out there , so ,I understand the concern for personal safety.

You don't need to agree with me and many here don't.
A good natured  jab is fine but the lack of civility on this forum is pretty bad.
I know , I've posted plenty of goofy, pointless crap in search of a laugh.
But, I was never cruel and avoid harsh, endless insults of other members.

You seem like an intelligent man and enjoy debating various issues.
 I took our recent exchange a bit too personal . That was wrong on my part.
With all due respect, I urge you as mod to promote a more civil, positive tone on this forum.

Thanks.

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Well I agree you post tons of pointless crap. 

Your apology is accepted.  Thank you.

I don't need to do anything differently regarding moderating this board.  I just banned a kid (again) for 30 days for not knowing how to tone down the attacks on you and Prime. 
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« Reply #179 on: August 03, 2017, 04:22:56 PM »

Why do you guys suppose that someone who'd "hack" our election wouldn't go right for the vote-tallying system?  In the main report itself it says that it wasn't touched.

Why's that?

I believe the report said that there was no evidence of this. No evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen.

There are any number of reasons for the inconclusiveness. Perhaps hacking the vote-tallying system is too obvious. Maybe the hackers didn't have the expertise to do it.

Didn't Trump say that there was widespread voter fraud that favored Clinton? Neither this accusation nor the claim that the Russians hacked the vote-tallying system have been proved.
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« Reply #180 on: August 03, 2017, 04:23:12 PM »

The power of implication and perception is enormous. Wise people assume a "wait and see" position. Unfortunately not everything that happens can be proved. Theories should not be used to condemn or prosecute a person. It is unfortunate that sometimes they are.

One of the times I served on jury duty, the defendant was charged with a DUII. It was not her first. Everyone on the jury was convinced that there was a strong likelihood she'd been drinking when she was arrested. Unfortunately, the prosecution provided no proof, just theories and assumptions. We jurors found her innocent.

I agree with all of this.
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« Reply #181 on: August 03, 2017, 04:27:51 PM »

I don't need to do anything differently regarding moderating this board.  I just banned a kid (again) for 30 days for not knowing how to tone down the attacks on you and Prime. 

Thank you. The type of posts you are referring to do get old, not only for me but I suspect for the rest of the board too. 
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« Reply #182 on: August 03, 2017, 04:29:05 PM »

I believe the report said that there was no evidence of this. No evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen.

There are any number of reasons for the inconclusiveness. Perhaps hacking the vote-tallying system is too obvious. Maybe the hackers didn't have the expertise to do it.

Didn't Trump say that there was widespread voter fraud that favored Clinton? Neither this accusation nor the claim that the Russians hacked the vote-tallying system have been proved.

That covers just about everything under the sun, though, doesn't it?
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« Reply #183 on: August 03, 2017, 04:35:54 PM »

That covers just about everything under the sun, though, doesn't it?

Yep.
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« Reply #184 on: August 03, 2017, 04:38:23 PM »

Well I agree you post tons of pointless crap. 

Your apology is accepted.  Thank you.

I don't need to do anything differently regarding moderating this board.  I just banned a kid (again) for 30 days for not knowing how to tone down the attacks on you and Prime. 

Thanks you for accepting my apology.
I was unaware anyone ever got a "time out" for chronic abuse.
Thanks for informing me and doing your job.
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« Reply #185 on: August 03, 2017, 04:51:20 PM »

Yeah, I happened to have read that report and the main thrust of it involves complaints against Russian Media.  Not only was there no real substance to it, but I'd bet big money that the activity noted has occurred in the past, in a direct upswing right along with the development of technology.  It simply doesn't make sense to believe anything else.  It really doesn't.
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« Reply #186 on: August 11, 2017, 08:39:40 PM »

Mueller’s Targets Face Financial Strain
Paul Manafort owns many homes. Mike Flynn is a right wing superstar. But the Russia probe is gobbling up their cash at an alarming rate.
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08.11.17

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort parted ways with WilmerHale, the law firm defending him, earlier this week. That was largely because Bob Mueller’s 16-lawyer Russia probe—which is targeting him—has shifted its focus and is drilling down on tax issues, which aren’t WilmerHale’s specialty. But the parting of ways with WilmerHale was also in part because Manafort’s finances are increasingly strained, according to sources familiar with the situation.

“Paul Manafort’s resolve is limitless, but his resources are not,” said a person close to Manafort.

Manafort isn’t the only person facing financial challenges because of the legal costs of responding to Mueller’s probe. Michael Flynn, the retired general and deposed National Security Adviser, is struggling mightily with his mounting legal bills, according to a source familiar with his situation. The expenses has put his family’s finances under significant duress, the source said, and it’s expected he will soon create a legal defense fund to keep from going bankrupt.

Hiring the high-powered Washington lawyers necessary to respond to a deep-dive Justice Department investigation can be extraordinarily costly. And Manafort—despite his past lucrative contracts with foreign governments, and despite the fact that he owns numerous properties around the country—is feeling the pinch. Sources say that’s part of the reason he is no longer retaining WilmerHale; the firm is known for handling Congressional investigations, but Mueller’s probe has now shifted its focus to international tax issues—which meant Manafort needed lawyers with that expertise. So he has brought in Miller Chevalier, a boutique Washington law firm full of international law experts, and has parted with WilmerHale.

David Rivkin, a longtime conservative Washington attorney who worked in the Justice Department under Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, said Mueller’s probe is undoubtedly straining the finances of all its targets.

“It’s obvious that it has morphed into an open-ended investigation that is way beyond the Russian collusion, and the only unifying principle seems to be that it covers people who are close to Trump or worked with Trump,” he said. “And that is a classical definition of a fishing expedition.”

Mueller’s legal team has 16 attorneys, as well as other support staff, and it’s funded by the Justice Department. Mueller’s team includes former federal prosecutors with broad-ranging areas of expertise who are highly motivated and aggressive.

“It obviously has a deleterious effect on both people’s professional lives—in terms of their ability to carry out their jobs—but also on a personal level,” Rivkin continued. “People who are being severely financially stressed by this investigation.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/muellers-targets-face-financial-strain
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« Reply #187 on: August 11, 2017, 08:50:34 PM »

I wonder how much this is costing us the tax payers.
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« Reply #188 on: August 11, 2017, 10:13:35 PM »

I wonder how much this is costing us the tax payers.

Too much. Just like Benghazi and Clinton's blowjob.
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« Reply #189 on: August 12, 2017, 06:34:36 AM »

Thanks you for accepting my apology.
I was unaware anyone ever got a "time out" for chronic abuse.
Thanks for informing me and doing your job.

Howard, what do you think about this collusion hacking?


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« Reply #190 on: August 18, 2017, 02:07:40 PM »

White House Lawyer Cobb Predicts Quick End to Mueller Probe
Friday, 18 Aug 2017

The White House lawyer brought in to deal with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election said he believed the focus of the probe was "narrow" and the aspects related to President Donald Trump should be completed before the end of the year.

The lawyer, Ty Cobb, who joined the White House staff on July 31, made the comments in interviews with Reuters on Tuesday and Wednesday. He declined to provide specifics backing his outlook, which contradicts media reports that the scope of Mueller’s probe is expanding and the views of several outside experts that the investigation is likely to continue well into 2018.

"I'd like to see the president out from under this by Thanksgiving, but certainly by year end," Cobb said, adding that he would be "embarrassed" otherwise. "I think the relevant areas of inquiry by the special counsel are narrow."

Mueller is investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, among other matters. Moscow has denied interfering in the election and the president has denied collusion took place.

Cobb, who resigned from law firm Hogan Lovells to take the White House job, said he meets with or talks to Trump almost daily and interacts with Mueller's team. Cobb said he could not discuss those communications.

As a White House lawyer, Cobb is in a different position than the president's outside counsel John Dowd and Jay Sekulow. Cobb would not be able to assert attorney-client privilege to protect his conversations with Trump from a grand jury subpoena.

Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, declined to comment on any timeline for the probe or which matters would fall under the special counsel's aegis.

Trump has said he believes investigations of his and his family's finances would be beyond the scope of Mueller's probe. Mueller is reportedly already looking at Trump's business dealings going back a decade.

Cobb said he believed Mueller's 16-lawyer team was "appropriately focused" and understood "the urgency to the country and to the presidency" of finishing the probe as quickly as possible.

Several legal experts said Cobb's timeline was unrealistic, noting similar probes have dragged on for years.

"I cannot imagine a universe in which the prosecutor's office is giving the president a clean bill of health before Thanksgiving of this year," said Andrew Wright, an associate White House counsel under President Barack Obama. "It's a very complicated investigation."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/cobb-predicts-end-to-mueller/2017/08/18/id/808472/
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« Reply #191 on: August 19, 2017, 10:15:31 PM »

British spy behind Trump-Russia dossier could be forced to talk after US court ruling

A U.S. District court judge has put a former British spy one step closer to facing questions under oath about the controversial dossier he authored alleging President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign team plotted with Russian agents.

A ruling by Judge Ursula Ungaro allows lawyers for a Russian technology executive named in the dossier to seek British approval to question onetime MI6 agent Christopher Steele about the funding and sourcing of the dossier under oath. The request was made as part of a libel suit brought by Webzilla CEO Aleksej Gubarev against the website Buzzfeed, which was first to publish the dossier Steele prepared.

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Interest in the funding and sourcing for the dossier led the Senate Judiciary Committee to summon Glenn Simpson, the head of the Washington, D.C.-based research firm Fusion GPS that commissioned Steele’s work, to a closed session meeting scheduled for Tuesday. In a letter to Simpson, Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, indicated he wants Simpson to reveal who first hired him to investigate Trump’s Russia ties and which government agencies received copies when it was completed.

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If he has the opportunity to take Steele’s sworn testimony, Gurvits said, “my number-one question is, ‘Why was this allegation about my clients included [in the dossier]?” he said. “Where did you get it? What did you do to verify it? And who did you communicate it to?"

In June court filings in the United Kingdom, Steele’s attorneys answered the last question, telling the court he shared his findings with a representative of Sen. John McCain. Arrangements were then made through an intermediary to get the document to McCain, who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, “so that it was known to … the United States governments at a high level by persons with responsibility for national security,” Steele’s filing in British court says.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/british-spy-trump-russia-dossier-forced-talk-us/story?id=49271590
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