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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #250 on: February 10, 2012, 03:37:25 PM »
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can you tell me in 2 sentences what is going on with this issue?  a dozen politically biased articles help not.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #251 on: February 10, 2012, 04:30:59 PM »
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can you tell me in 2 sentences what is going on with this issue?  a dozen politically biased articles help not.

It's is because Roman Catholic institutions as part of their group health insurance plans have to make available contraceptives....

I did it wtih one sentence...

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #252 on: February 10, 2012, 04:44:27 PM »
so churches (institutions) WANT companies to include birth control?  Or they're against it?

I am just not understanding what the issue is, and why it's all over the airwaves.  Seems like such a stupid shit divisive issue for people to get all pissy about. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #253 on: February 10, 2012, 04:53:25 PM »
so churches (institutions) WANT companies to include birth control?  Or they're against it?

I am just not understanding what the issue is, and why it's all over the airwaves.  Seems like such a stupid shit divisive issue for people to get all pissy about.  

Roman Catholic Institutions (ie:Schools, foundations, et al) want to be able to exclude contraception from the institution's employee group health insurance policies.  Their contention is that  to offer such is against their religion...


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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #254 on: February 10, 2012, 06:25:25 PM »
ahh - okay - but doesn't this open up the use of sharia law?

what happens when muslim institutions want to be able to exclude X, Y, or Z from health insurance, or other similiar things?

This 'it's against my religion' thing is getting pathetic.  STFU about your religion.  Practice as you like, but keep it out of the workplace and the courtroom.

Wait until your workplace can't serve ham sandwiches because it's against sharia law... see how much people agree religion should dominate things.

now where are repubs, where is obama, where are the libs on this issue, and where is ron paul on it?

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #255 on: February 10, 2012, 07:17:26 PM »
ahh - okay - but doesn't this open up the use of sharia law?

what happens when muslim institutions want to be able to exclude X, Y, or Z from health insurance, or other similiar things?

This 'it's against my religion' thing is getting pathetic.  STFU about your religion.  Practice as you like, but keep it out of the workplace and the courtroom.

Wait until your workplace can't serve ham sandwiches because it's against sharia law... see how much people agree religion should dominate things.

now where are repubs, where is obama, where are the libs on this issue, and where is ron paul on it?

The title of the thread...

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #256 on: February 10, 2012, 08:53:37 PM »
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EDITORIAL: Obama’s free abortion pills
The Washington Times ^ | February 10, 2012 | Editorial
Posted on February 10, 2012 9:16:09 PM EST by jazusamo

Revised White House contraception rule changes nothing

Someone should tell President Obama there’s no such thing as a free abortion pill. The White House is trying to douse a political wildfire sparked by an Obamacare mandate forcing religiously affiliated institutions to provide a full range of contraception measures for employees - including pills that induce abortions. Catholic and other religious leaders with principled objections cried foul, citing promises that they and their affiliates would be covered by a “conscience waiver” for any provisions of the law that created this kind of moral dilemma. On Friday Mr. Obama proposed a new rule whereby the onus would be on the insurance companies who cover the employees to reach out with cost-free contraceptives.

It was typical of the administration to make the proposed deal a giveaway program. Mr. Obama seems to be saying that if you don’t see who is paying for the abortion pills then no one is. “Religious organizations won’t have to pay for these services,” he said. But of course they will. Insurance companies may be required by law to provide these services at no cost to the recipient, but costs are still involved. Employers will still be directly subsidizing the birth control plan. It was a classic Obama compromise; he gets 100 percent of what he wants and the other side gets a lecture about fairness.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #257 on: February 11, 2012, 04:03:27 AM »
http://cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-jeffrey/obamas-act-tyranny


So now thugbama can just order companies to give services and goods away for "free"?   

WTF !

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #258 on: February 11, 2012, 04:09:04 AM »
The Obama HHS 'Compromise' Switches the Tiger for the Lion (Not all Catholics buying Obama's bull)
Catholic Online ^ | 2/10/2012 | staff
Posted on February 10, 2012 10:55:38 PM EST by tobyhill

In an effort to save his administration from collapsing under the weight of the controversy caused by the oppressive Health and Human Services (HHS) edict requiring Catholics to violate their conscience, President Obama announced a "compromise". Unfortunately, the compromise is a thinly veiled smoke and mirrors act of political theater.

Perhaps hoping to fool the innocent into believing that a crisis has been averted, President Obama announced that the Catholic Church and other Christian organizations and outreaches would no longer be forced to cover sterilization procedures and provide contraception and abortifacients in direct violation of their conscience.

The HHS mandate was widely condemned across the Nation as a blatant attack on the Church. It is a violation of the First Amendment Right to the Free Exercise of Religion. It was also widely condemned as a coercive act which, in effect, compels people to violate their deeply held religious beliefs - and violate their consciences - or face severe government sanction.

However, the Obama "compromise" announced on Friday, January 10, 2012 has merely shifted the onus of immorality from the religious employer directly to - the religious employer.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #259 on: February 11, 2012, 04:45:30 AM »
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Team Obama Fumbles Ruling, Offends Catholics
Townhall.com ^ | February 11, 2012 | Scott Rasmussen
Posted on February 11, 2012 7:56:43 AM EST by Kaslin

Every sports fan knows that close contests are often decided by mistakes rather than heroics. In this year's Super Bowl, Tom Brady threw just one interception, but Eli Manning didn't throw any. Manning's team won.

What's especially disheartening for fans are unforced errors. Right now, President Obama's fans have reason to worry about a substantive unforced error that threatens his support among Catholic voters.

The Obama administration recently ruled that all insurance policies must offer contraceptive services with no co-payments required. In and of itself, that decision is neither positive nor negative. Forty-three percent of voters favor it, while 46 percent are opposed.

That mandate violates the beliefs of some churches. Normally, religious exemptions are granted in such cases, but not this time. Thirty-nine percent support the administration on this point, while 50 percent are opposed. Even worse for the White House, support for the ruling comes primarily from people who rarely attend church. That's a group that voted strongly for Obama in 2008 and continues to support him today. In other words, no upside.

But, among Catholics, only 28 percent believe religious organizations should be required to implement rules that conflict with church doctrine. Sixty-five percent are opposed. This is true even though many Catholics disagree with church teachings on birth control.

The impact is stunning since 54 percent of Catholics voted for President Obama in 2008. Today, just 39 percent of Catholic voters approve of the way he's doing his job.

Perhaps some strategists thought that Catholics would welcome government help in battling the church on birth control. But Catholics who disagree with the church deal with the situation in the privacy of their own bedroom. They don't need federal help. In fact, it is hard to imagine any person of faith wanting the federal government to have any say in church doctrine and how Holy Scripture should be applied.

While Team Obama wanted to debate contraception, the Catholic League's Bill Donahue said it was unprecedented "for the federal government to line up against the Roman Catholic Church." Even The Washington Post, hometown paper for America's Political Class, thought the administration ruling went too far and "does not make an adequate accommodation for those deeply held views." When the Post thinks you've gone too far in imposing federal authority, it's a sure sign that you're pretty far out on a limb.

The unforced error has added impact because it ties directly into other issues that President Obama would rather keep quiet before Election Day. Most voters want more choices in their health care coverage, not less. By a 77 percent to 9 percent margin, voters think everybody should have the right to choose between different types of health insurance plans, including some that cost more and cover just about all medical procedures and some that cost less while covering only major medical procedures. They want options, not mandates.

Additionally, the issue puts the president's unpopular health care law back in the news. Voters already believe that law will increase the cost of health care, and most also believe the decision on contraceptive coverage will add even more costs.

In the end, unforced errors like this will only matter if the election is close. If the economy improves significantly, the president is likely to be re-elected. If the recovery stalls and confidence falls, he is likely to lose. But in a close race, unforced errors could be decisive. Team Obama is probably looking for a way to correct this error and undo the damage well before the fall campaign season arrives.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #260 on: February 11, 2012, 08:57:40 AM »
so churches (institutions) WANT companies to include birth control?  Or they're against it?

I am just not understanding what the issue is, and why it's all over the airwaves.  Seems like such a stupid shit divisive issue for people to get all pissy about. 

 because it's an election year,that's why this is even a topic,the repubs have 3 losers their running so their trying to compensate for their poor ticket,nothing more nothing less

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #261 on: February 11, 2012, 09:06:41 AM »
because it's an election year,that's why this is even a topic,the repubs have 3 losers their running so their trying to compensate for their poor ticket,nothing more nothing less

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #262 on: February 11, 2012, 09:14:18 AM »
pay now or pay  later,it's a hell of alot cheaper now.those are the facts like them or not

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #263 on: February 11, 2012, 09:15:47 AM »
pay now or pay  later,it's a hell of alot cheaper now.those are the facts like them or not

Oh please.   Fuck you. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #264 on: February 11, 2012, 09:18:26 AM »
pay now or pay  later,it's a hell of alot cheaper now.those are the facts like them or not

so me where that's incorrect, mr. oh please ;D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #265 on: February 11, 2012, 09:25:53 AM »
so me where that's incorrect, mr. oh please ;D

Who gives a damn about rights and freedom right? 

well - you are leftist progressive - of course freedom, choice, and rights dont matter to you. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #266 on: February 11, 2012, 09:37:41 AM »
it's an option in the policy, that's it, nobody is forcing them to take pills. repubs compensation for running poor candidates :'(

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #267 on: February 11, 2012, 09:41:43 AM »
it's an option in the policy, that's it, nobody is forcing them to take pills. repubs compensation for running poor candidates :'(

WHY SHOULD ANY EMPLOYER BE FORCED TO PROVIDE ANY LEVEL OF BENEFITS WHATSOEVER? 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #268 on: February 11, 2012, 09:50:25 AM »
hahahaha i thought this was a religious freedom thing

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #269 on: February 11, 2012, 09:52:12 AM »
hahahaha i thought this was a religious freedom thing

Its both moron! 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #271 on: February 11, 2012, 10:06:55 AM »
Its both moron! 

so now it's both :D :D oooookkkkkk mr. flipfloper

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #272 on: February 11, 2012, 10:16:30 AM »
so now it's both :D :D oooookkkkkk mr. flipfloper

You really are a communist thug with no understanding of the USC, freedom, liberty, rights or economics. 

You are little more than a leftist parasite looking to pick everyones' pocket. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #273 on: February 11, 2012, 10:18:18 AM »
why are you a flip floper ;D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #274 on: February 11, 2012, 10:23:37 AM »
why are you a flip floper ;D

I didnt flip flop on anything.   The economic and religious issues in this are intertwined.   

WHY CANT I HAVE THE CHOICE OF WHAT TO OFFER OR NOT OFFER MY EMPLOYEES YOU COMMUNIST PARASITE?