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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #450 on: February 20, 2012, 06:33:53 AM »
Yawn - its still in the news and Thugbama is going to lose votes over this.   

on the right wing sites you post and paste from,the fake outrage continues :D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #451 on: February 20, 2012, 06:36:10 AM »
on the right wing sites you post and paste from,the fake outrage continues :D

Please go refute Schiff's youtube video on this blackass.   


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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #452 on: February 20, 2012, 06:42:08 AM »
the only place i still read about this so calld issue is on your post.  ;D  mr. fake outrage himself :D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #453 on: February 20, 2012, 06:46:35 AM »
the only place i still read about this so calld issue is on your post.  ;D  mr. fake outrage himself :D


When you spend the rest of your time on the Sesame Street and Romper Room websites, no wonder you are so painfully uninformed. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #454 on: February 20, 2012, 06:49:54 AM »

When you spend the rest of your time on the Sesame Street and Romper Room websites, no wonder you are so painfully uninformed. 

Lol. That is what happens when a person constantly watches CNN, MSNBC, and FOX.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #455 on: February 20, 2012, 07:01:31 AM »
Lol. That is what happens when a person constantly watches CNN, MSNBC, and FOX.

333386 has his ball licker following him around again,now that's nice :D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #456 on: February 20, 2012, 07:33:38 AM »
Obama Responds to Belmont Abbey Lawsuit. Epic Fail.
Cardinal Newman Society ^ | 2/17/12 | Matthew Archbold




The Obama administration today filed its first legal response to Belmont Abbey College’s lawsuit challenging the controversial contraception mandate, according to The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which represents Belmont Abbey in this case.

The Obama administration had their first opportunity to explain to the court and the country why the mandate is not illegal and unconstitutional, and it seems like an epic fail.

“You might have expected them to argue that we don’t have a constitutional claim,” Mark Rienzi of the Becket Fund told The Cardinal Newman Society. “But instead they said ‘hey, didn’t you hear we may fix it someday?’”

Rienzi called it “really cynical” to have a law on the books but then argue that the court shouldn’t look at the law, because the administration said they’d fix it some day in the future.

He said he suspected that the administration knew they were on shaky legal ground when the lawyers kept asking for extensions while the politicians kept holding press conferences. He said that the administration’s promise to change the law in the future doesn’t stand up to constitutional scrutiny.

“Apparently, the administration has decided that the mandate, as written and finalized, is constitutionally indefensible,” said Hannah Smith, senior counsel at The Becket Fund. “Its only hope is to ask the court to look the other way based on an empty promise to possibly change the rules in the future.”

The administration’s legal filing is based on President Obama saying at a press conference last week that the rules may be changed in the future.

But the Becket Fund points out that what’s said at a press conference is not legally binding and does nothing to change the law on the books.


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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #457 on: February 20, 2012, 08:20:01 AM »
Yawn - its still in the news and Thugbama is going to lose votes over this.   

Yawn.

He is still winning and will still have his cock in your mouth for another 4 years.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #458 on: February 27, 2012, 09:11:14 AM »
Gallup: 72% of All Americans and 56% of Democrats Say Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
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Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012



Gallup: 72% of All Americans and 56% of Democrats Say Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional By Terence P. Jeffrey February 27, 2012 Subscribe to Terence P. Jeffrey's posts

Kathleen Sebelius Barack Obama

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and President Barack Obama at the White House on Feb. 10, 2012. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

(CNSNews.com)- Seventy-two percent of American adults and 56 percent of self-professed Democrats say that the provision in the health-care law signed by President Barack Obama that requires individuals to purchase health insurance or pay a fine is unconstitutional, says the Gallup Poll.

In March, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear cases challenging the constitutionality of the mandate.

Among Republicans, according to the poll, 94 percent say the mandate is unconstitutional and 6 percent say it constitutional. Among Independents, 70 percent say it is unconstitutional and 21 percent say it is constitutional. In contrast to the 56 percent of Democrats who say the mandate is unconstitutional, only 37 percent say it is constitutional.

Gallup also asked survey respondents whether they strongly favor, favor, oppose or strongly oppose repealing the health-care law if a Republican president is elected this fall. A plurality of 47 percent favored repealing the law, including 26 percent who said they strongly favored repeal and 21 percent who said they favor it. Forty-four percent said they oppose repealing the law, including 20 percent who said they strongly favor repeal and 24 percent you said they favor it.

Among Republicans, 87 percent said they favor repealing the health-care law, including 56 percent who said they strongly favor repeal and 31 percent who said they favor it. Among Democrats, 77 percent said they oppose repeal, including 39 percent who said the strongly oppose repeal and 38 percent who said the oppose it.


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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #459 on: February 27, 2012, 10:05:52 AM »
Cardinal George: no Catholic hospitals in 2 years unless HHS mandate is rescinded
CatholicCulture.org ^ | 02/27/2012

Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012




Warning that the Church is being “despoiled of her institutions” as “freedom of conscience and of religion become a memory from a happier past,” Cardinal Francis George of Chicago observes that “the Catholic Church in the United States is being told she must ‘give up’ her health care institutions, her universities and many of her social service organizations.”


“So far in American history, our government has respected the freedom of individual conscience and of institutional integrity for all the many religious groups that shape our society,” he continues. “The government has not compelled them to perform or pay for what their faith tells them is immoral. That’s what we’ve meant by freedom of religion. That’s what we had believed was protected by the U.S. Constitution. Maybe we were foolish to believe so.”


Cardinal George adds:



What will happen if the HHS regulations are not rescinded? A Catholic institution, so far as I can see right now, will have one of four choices: 1) secularize itself, breaking its connection to the Church, her moral and social teachings and the oversight of its ministry by the local bishop. This is a form of theft. It means the Church will not be permitted to have an institutional voice in public life. 2) Pay exorbitant annual fines to avoid paying for insurance policies that cover abortifacient drugs, artificial contraception and sterilization. This is not economically sustainable. 3) Sell the institution to a non-Catholic group or to a local government. 4) Close down …

Freedom of worship was guaranteed in the Constitution of the former Soviet Union. You could go to church, if you could find one. The church, however, could do nothing except conduct religious rites in places of worship-no schools, religious publications, health care institutions, organized charity, ministry for justice and the works of mercy that flow naturally from a living faith. All of these were co-opted by the government. We fought a long cold war to defeat that vision of society.


The strangest accusation in this manipulated public discussion has the bishops not respecting the separation between church and state. The bishops would love to have the separation between church and state we thought we enjoyed just a few months ago, when we were free to run Catholic institutions in conformity with the demands of the Catholic faith, when the government couldn’t tell us which of our ministries are Catholic and which not, when the law protected rather than crushed conscience. The state is making itself into a church.

“If you haven’t already purchased the Archdiocesan Directory for 2012, I would suggest you get one as a souvenir,” he continued. “On page L-3, there is a complete list of Catholic hospitals and health care institutions in Cook and Lake counties. Each entry represents much sacrifice on the part of medical personnel, administrators and religious sponsors. Each name signifies the love of Christ to people of all classes and races and religions. Two Lents from now, unless something changes, that page will be blank.”

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #460 on: February 28, 2012, 07:30:25 PM »
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Chicago's Cardinal Warns Of An ObamaCare Gulag
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Posted on February 28, 2012 10:28:15 PM EST by Nachum

First Amendment: The ex-head of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops compares the administration take on freedom of worship to the Soviet Union's and says its contraceptive mandate will force church hospitals to close. On the first Sunday of Lent, Chicago's Francis Cardinal George issued his version of the letter issued by the USCCB he recently led. It shredded assurances by the administration that things could be worked out so that religious freedom would not be impaired and painted a bleak future that just might be the administration's intent. Going a bit further than his peers

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #461 on: February 29, 2012, 07:34:35 AM »
Sebelius Excludes Bishops From Obamacare Mandate Compromise Talks
Catholic Vote.org ^ | 2/28/12 | Thomas Peters




I’m late to relay what Politico reported this morning:

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius says the Obama administration plans to issue a rule “in the near future” on its compromise plan on contraception coverage and is meeting with insurers, clergy and health leaders to get feedback on how to make it work.

“We’ve begun outreach. I have talked to Catholic health leaders, I’m reaching out to priests. We’re also talking to union leaders, we’re talking to our partners at labor who run the self-insured plans to figure out a strategy,” Sebelius told reporters at a conference in D.C. on Tuesday.

One obvious conclusion to take from this is that our combined pressure on the administration has forced Sebelius and Obama to move faster than they had originally hoped. After all, they would prefer to delay any actual compromise until after the election. And then, who knows what they will do. They certainly won’t be worried as much about losing the Catholic vote.

Second, and far more revealing, is who Sebelius is leaving out of these talks: bishops.

She claims to be talking to “Catholic health leaders” (i.e., Carol Keehan of CHA, as usual), “priests” (hmm, I bet I know which ones) and … not bishops, not the USCCB, not heads of Catholic universities or major institutions but …

“union leaders.” and:

“our partners at labor who run the self-insured plans.”

She means the union leaders who have had their self-insured plans exempted form Obamacare’s mandates through special favors and waivers, at the same time as a huge number of Catholic dioceses and employers who also self-insure are required to follow the mandate.

How incredible. Since when did union leaders become the “real” leaders of the Catholic Church?!


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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #462 on: February 29, 2012, 10:11:42 AM »
Holder: 1st Amendment Allows Gov't to Force Catholics to Buy Sterilization-Contraception-Abortion Insurance

By Fred Lucas

February 28, 2012



Attorney General Eric Holder testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2011, before the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in the arms trafficking investigation called Operation Fast and Furious. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

(CNSNews.com) - The Justice Department will defend against any legal challenge to the new Obama administration mandate to force employers to provide abortion-inducing drugs, sterilization and contraception, even if it goes against their conscience, Attorney General Eric Holder told a House subcommittee Tuesday.

The Department of Health and Human Services rule, part of Obamacare, violates the freedom of conscience for Catholics and other religious groups that expressed their objections to the mandate, opponents say. Already there is litigation asserting that the rule violates the First Amendment’s guarantee to free exercise of religion.

“I think I would respectfully disagree in the sense that I don’t think the rule that HHS promulgated was one that ran counter to the religious prohibitions that are contained in the First Amendment,” Holder said.

“That’s especially true looking at the compromise the president and Secretary [Kathleen] Sebelius put in place,” Holder told the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science and Related Agencies.

President Barack Obama announced a change to the original rule that would have technically allowed religious institutions such as Catholic hospitals or schools to get an exemption from paying for these drugs, but instead require insurance to provide it for “free.” That so-called compromise would still require religious institutions to pay for insurance that provides the “free” services.

Holder said he would be confident of the federal government’s case in court.

“To the extent that that action is challenged in court, I would expect that the Justice Department would defend what is in place, which would be that compromise,” Holder told the panel.


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The Becket Fund is representing Belmont Abbey College, a Catholic college in North Carolina, and Colorado Christian University, an evangelical college in Denver, in the cases against the Obama administration. The suits were filed in federal district court in Washington, D.C., and Denver respectively.

“It’s really an open and shut case,” Hannah Smith, senior counsel at The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, told CNSNews.com earlier this month. “All religious faiths should be concerned, even religious faiths that don’t have doctrines regarding contraception. This is not about contraception. This is about the government coercing you to pay for something you don’t believe in.”

In additions to the constitutional questions, Smith said the suit will also reference the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act, passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton. The law’s intent is to prevent other laws that substantially burden a person’s constitutional right to free expression of religion.


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Obama Admin lectures Card. Dolan and USCCB. Dolan responds. (Fr Z Fisking of Article)
What Does The Prayer Really Say? ^ | 3/6/2012 | Fr John Zuhlsdorf



Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 6:55:37 AM by markomalley


“We did not ask for this fight, but we will not run from it.”

Thus, Card. Dolan about the latest insult tossed our way by the Obama Administration.

From LifeSite:

Cardinal: Obama Admin Lectured Bishops on Catholic Teaching
by Steven Ertelt

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic bishops, has released a public letter today detailing a stunning conversation he and other bishops had with top White House officials about the controversial Obama mandate.

In the letter, Cardinal Dolan relates a shocking meeting in which top Obama Administration asked to meet with the bishops to “work out the wrinkles” of the mandate. After accepting the invitation and arriving at the White House, the bishops asked whether any ability to broaden the very narrow religious exemptions in the mandate were off the table.

“The invited us to ‘work out the wrinkles.’ We have accepted that invitation,” he wrote. “Unfortunately, this seems to be stalled: the White House Press Secretary, for instance, informed the nation that the mandates are a fait accompli (and, embarrassingly for him, commented that we bishops have always opposed Health Care anyway, a charge that is scurrilous and insulting, not to mention flat out wrong.”)

Dolan writes: “At a recent meeting between staff of the bishops’ conference and the White House staff, our staff members asked directly whether the broader concerns of religious freedom—that is, revisiting the straight-jacketing mandates, or broadening the maligned exemption—are all off the table. They were informed that they are. So much for “working out the wrinkles.” [Get this...] Instead, they advised the bishops’ conference that we should listen to the “enlightened” voices of accommodation, such as the recent, hardly surprising yet terribly unfortunate editorial in America.” [The editorial in the Jesuit-run America which I looked at HERE. In other words, The Magisterium of Nuns.]

He said, “The White House seems to think we bishops simply do not know or understand Catholic teaching and so, taking a cue from its own definition of religious freedom, now has nominated its own handpicked official Catholic teachers [Isn't this what I have been talking about? Is it time for the American Patriotic Catholic Association? "But Father! But Father!", some of you are saying. "This isn't China; this is America!]

“We have made it clear in no uncertain terms to the government that we are not at peace with its invasive attempt to curtail the religious freedom we cherish as Catholics and Americans,” the archbishop of New York wrote in a public letter to the Catholic bishops last Friday. “We did not ask for this fight, but we will not run from it.”

The Catholic bishops’ president made it appear the mandate is not going to be changed in any way to protect religious freedom.

Dolan said, “The White House already notified Congress that the dreaded mandates are now published in the Federal Registry ‘without change.’ He added that “The Secretary of HHS is widely quoted as saying, ‘Religious insurance companies don’t really design the plans they sell based on their own religious tenets.’ That doesn’t bode well for their getting a truly acceptable “accommodation.”

Cardinal Dolan also said “We will continue to accept invitations to meet with and to voice our concerns to anyone of any party, for this is hardly partisan, who is willing to correct the infringements on religious freedom that we are now under. But as we do so, we cannot rely on off the record promises of fixes without deadlines and without assurances of proposals that will concretely address the concerns in a manner that does not conflict with our principles and teaching.”

He added that “Congress might provide more hope, since thoughtful elected officials [catholic HHS Sec. Sebelius, who cannot receive Holy Communion, is not an elected official. ] have proposed legislation to protect what should be so obvious: religious freedom. Meanwhile, in our recent debate in the senate, our opponents sought to obscure what is really a religious freedom issue by maintaining that abortion inducing drugs and the like are a ‘woman’s health issue.’ We will not let this deception stand. Our commitment to seeking legislative remedies remains strong. And it is about remedies to the assault on religious freedom. Period.”

“Perhaps the courts offer the most light,” he said about the many lawsuits that have been filed against the mandate. [And remember the 9-0 SCOTUS Hosanna-Tabor decision.]

Dolan warned the bishops that “given this climate, we have to prepare for tough times. Some, like America magazine, [In case the editors wondered if their betrayal of the bishops would go unnoticed.] want us to cave-in and stop fighting, saying this is simply a policy issue; some want us to close everything down rather than comply (in an excellent article, Cardinal Francis George wrote that the administration apparently wants us to ‘give up for Lent’ our schools, hospitals, and charitable ministries); some, like Bishop Robert Lynch wisely noted, wonder whether we might have to engage in civil disobedience and risk steep fines; some worry that we’ll have to face a decision between two ethically repugnant choices: subsidizing immoral services or no longer offering insurance coverage, a road none of us wants to travel.” [It sounds as if closing down is on the table.]

Cardinal Dolan added that “we know so very well that religious freedom is our heritage, our legacy and our firm belief, both as loyal Catholics and Americans. There have been many threats to religious freedom over the decades and years, but these often came from without. This one sadly comes from within. As our ancestors did with previous threats, we will tirelessly defend the timeless and enduring truth of religious freedom.”