How much can a real natural bodybuilder bench press?

[gh15]

what dorian sell is a protien powder,, he make his livign out of lies like any bodybuild,, the only reason im honest with you is that i dont talk on my real name


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[gh15]

Yes that's why we see shitloads of women squatting 500 pounds. 

did not say you need extra high high level estrogen ,, but the reason most of you are importents,, the reason bodybuild today cant even fuck ...many dont fuck they cant...they need the viagra an dcialis,, in very young age...reason is that they dont know what they doing,, half of the fellas that i seen muscular here would lose it in mater of 90 days after stoping hormones 9 0 days,,

female are weak their bones and tendoins are not as strong as males due to the way they are build,, female are child bariers they have strngth but other strngth ,, trength of the soul!

what i say is history in bodybuild,, I CHANGED HISTORY ,, moment you argue it less you will understand it more

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[NeilGM]

but i read that mentzer didnt train the way he advertized at all

Hmm where did you read that, that would be an interesting read..
He did many speeches, books and seminars preeching it, to be honest he seemed very very pasionate about that, rest periods and the amount of protein required to grow new tissue. I have to say I share many of his concepts and do think that he was a very bright individual but got silienced because his views where not of the main stream.
Big like how GH15 says its all in the drugs, well this is no good for the current supplement eliete and neither was Mentzers preechings back then

[purenaturalstrength]

what dorian sell is a protien powder,, he make his livign out of lies like any bodybuild,, the only reason im honest with you is that i dont talk on my real name


gh15 approved

hi dorian 


gh15 is an amazing thing, sometimes i get scared that it will turn out a hoax and that it was all a dream or something

[purenaturalstrength]

Hmm where did you read that, that would be an interesting read..
He did many speeches, books and seminars preeching it, to be honest he seemed very very pasionate about that, rest periods and the amount of protein required to grow new tissue. I have to say I share many of his concepts and do think that he was a very bright individual but got silienced because his views where not of the main stream.
Big like how GH15 says its all in the drugs, well this is no good for the current supplement eliete and neither was Mentzers preechings back then

i read it on elitefitness forums


been trying to find the thread back for ages, it was really interesting


they claimed mentzer trained "very much like HST"


mentzer later also descended into madness running in the streets naked and whatnot


maybe his hit preaching days were the phase 1 and 2 of full blown insanity


also they said that the whole HIT ideology started with arthur jones trying to sell nautilus equipment and so he had to create an entire huge scam with theories to discard traditional methods of weight training and of course TRADITIONAL EQUIPMENT; he went as far as saying that working out with barbells or performing traditional and olympic lifts will DESTROY YOUR SKELETON. this arthur jones guy was a lunatic but of course it was all a scam to push nautilus

the whole HIT story is nothing but fables to lead people astray into wanting nautilus equipment

[Coach is Back!]

strong bones...usualy mean weak muscle...USUALY! strong tendoins...usualy mean shit muscle,, you will learn it in the future,, the smallest fellas on the olympics that do powerlift and lift enormous weight...notice how flat their muslcles look....they are stiff looking,, strong like mother fuckers,, its something to be proud of ...but bodybuild is pageon of narcisitc outmost proportions ,, it has nothnig to do with fucking strength

strong bodybuild is very good...but you can get very far in bodybuikld with lifting as much weight as you want,, infact you can develp best pecs in cult by only doing hammers

this is the gh15 era of bodybuild,, notice how everyone train the way i say ,, just check into kuklo the kid ,, many others,,

bodybuild has NOTHING to do with strength ,, do i like it? no,, but this is the pure facts now days

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"Strong bones usually means weak muscles" ......what? Lol

[gh15]

no!,, strong bones strong dendoins...it is more of genetic! inherit,, it has to do with genetic in THIS case,, you cna hav ebig muscle and be quite strong but i can show you many who have small muscle and shaped horibly as in feeling and looking like a board ,, stiff! and they are the strongest fellass in their local gymnasiums

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[gh15]

just take a look into mat c....he is porobably strongest getbiger,, probably he is the ones,, yes he did hormones but still horible muscle shape well not horible but lacking and stiff looking and yet EXTREMLY STRONG

sevaste ...have better muscle shape ,, he actualy has good muscle shape when body fat low...but! look at him when he is 180lb he is stronger than many MANY 230lb fellas,, i mean WIPE FLOOR WITH THEM,, he has very strong tendoins and bones

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[NeilGM]

i read it on elitefitness forums


been trying to find the thread back for ages, it was really interesting


they claimed mentzer trained "very much like HST"


mentzer later also descended into madness running in the streets naked and whatnot


maybe his hit preaching days were the phase 1 and 2 of full blown insanity


also they said that the whole HIT ideology started with arthur jones trying to sell nautilus equipment and so he had to create an entire huge scam with theories to discard traditional methods of weight training and of course TRADITIONAL EQUIPMENT; he went as far as saying that working out with barbells or performing traditional and olympic lifts will DESTROY YOUR SKELETON. this arthur jones guy was a lunatic but of course it was all a scam to push nautilus

the whole HIT story is nothing but fables to lead people astray into wanting nautilus equipment

Lol, possibly, but there is allot of people who praise his preechings and have had alot of success from it...
Maybe this could be down to how the individual responds to stress genetically..
I have never grew one ounce of muscle lifting light to moderate with higher reps. I find it taxes my cardio more than my muscle, ok it gives a good pump, put I get a good pump from running and that doesnt make my muscles grow bigger

[Your Average GymRat]

just take a look into mat c....he is porobably strongest getbiger,, probably he is the ones,, yes he did hormones but still horible muscle shape well not horible but lacking and stiff looking and yet EXTREMLY STRONG

sevaste ...have better muscle shape ,, he actualy has good muscle shape when body fat low...but! look at him when he is 180lb he is stronger than many MANY 230lb fellas,, i mean WIPE FLOOR WITH THEM,, he has very strong tendoins and bones

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How the hell do you know how strong the gypsy is? Did they have a write-in weight lifting contest? You really are a jackass.

[Coach is Back!]

I'm confused. Now strong tendons means weak muscle? How so? I know I just want to hear YOU explain this.

[purenaturalstrength]

Lol, possibly, but there is allot of people who praise his preechings and have had alot of success from it...

I've searched the net far and wide for pictures of these people and concluded most are delusional twinks

[NeilGM]

I've searched the net far and wide for pictures of these people and concluded most are delusional twinks

So its just go in, do a little big and up the dose?

[gh15]

along the year sevaste sent me quite few lifting videos,, that i knwo are legit,, for i trained in europe and i know it was legit liftings,, he is extremly strong for 180lb zone,, EXTREMLY strong,,not eveything i get i show to everyone

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[purenaturalstrength]

along the year sevaste sent me quite few lifting videos,, that i knwo are legit,, for i trained in europe and i know it was legit liftings,, he is extremly strong for 180lb zone,, EXTREMLY strong,,not eveything i get i show to everyone

gh15 approved

sounds great

it's good to be strong


i hate lay nortom tho

[gh15]

I'm confused. Now strong tendons means weak muscle? How so? I know I just want to hear YOU explain this.

van b----------------------------------------------------------------> is right there,, i just say hands on from many many years of experience i probably can get you techinical answer liek you love but too much effort to go look for it ,, or to even think about it right now when i about to go train chest
maybe later ,, van b can come here and explain or maybe even you can ,, or...few others will do it gladly for you my love

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[Coach is Back!]

I'll be waiting for his answer. SOON.

[Cutlet767]

bodybuild has absolitly nothing to do with strength ,, if it had something to do with strength i would be 10 times mr o and world record holder of mr o title,, strength has NOTHING to do with bodybuild,, all the pussy lifters notice how they develp nice ,, they play around and cut lean and large,, its all in the drug ,, ofcourse you need strength ....but naturals can have amazing TENDOIN STRENGTH ,, when i was natural i worked triceps with 1 dumbel over head 2 arms ...i used to do it with 140 lb dumbel ...NATURAL! 10 TIMES  3 sets... did it give me 18 19 20 inch arm incondition? HELL FUCKING NO IT DIDNT,, my tendoins were super strong though and my bonesss...kind of like matt c...basicaly a joke but lift heavy,,well matt c is on hormones was is play around with them ,, i was truly natural those days,, but still all my strength did was put me in doubel digit bodyfat and ....made me lift heavy lol


strength has NOTHING to do with the final product you see today on stages


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  Number 1 liar right here

[A Professional]

Gh15 can you show a scan of your pro card?

[Cutlet767]

what dorian sell is a protien powder,, he make his livign out of lies like any bodybuild,, the only reason im honest with you is that i dont talk on my real name


gh15 approved

lol, I can't believe you actually just said that. HahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

So what do you say when the kids ask you in the gym what you are on?

[A Professional]

Gh15 Silence the filt that say you're not a real pro and just a drug dealer and show a scan of your pro card!!!!

[NineGeez]

Gh15 Silence the filt that say you're not a real pro and just a drug dealer and show a scan of your pro card!!!!

he cant do that

because

he is a drug dealer / not a pro

[chaos]

just take a look into mat c....he is porobably strongest getbiger,, probably he is the ones,,

gh15 approved

No.

[Coach is Back!]

strong bones...usualy mean weak muscle...USUALY! strong tendoins...usualy mean shit muscle,, you will learn it in the future,, the smallest fellas on the olympics that do powerlift and lift enormous weight...notice how flat their muslcles look....they are stiff looking,, strong like mother fuckers,, its something to be proud of ...but bodybuild is pageon of narcisitc outmost proportions ,, it has nothnig to do with fucking strength

strong bodybuild is very good...but you can get very far in bodybuikld with lifting as much weight as you want,, infact you can develp best pecs in cult by only doing hammers

this is the gh15 era of bodybuild,, notice how everyone train the way i say ,, just check into kuklo the kid ,, many others,,

bodybuild has NOTHING to do with strength ,, do i like it? no,, but this is the pure facts now days

gh15 approved

I'm still waiting for an explanation for this.

[supernick]

Number 1 liar right here

how is it a lie?? how do u know fool