Author Topic: IN THEIR PRIME WHO WAS BETTER FLEX OR SHAWN (Read 10492 times)

Parker · « **Reply #25 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:25:50 AM »

Quote from: purenaturalstrength on February 22, 2012, 08:10:45 AM

i dont really think flex wheeler is was a legend like kevin levrone, ronnie coleman, chris cormier...

he was great but not up to their level of greatness

in my opinion

Yeah, that whole winning 4 Pro shows and coming in 2nd at the Mr.O your rookie yr, and 4 Arnold Classics means he is not a legendary like the guys you mentioned

flex is the modern era's Sergio...

BayGBM · « **Reply #26 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:26:02 AM »

Shawn had a better work ethic and it showed over time (even through today). At their respective peaks however I give the nod to Flex; he simply had superior lines. Of course, today, Shawn looks better and is by far a better representative for bodybuilding.

G_Thang · « **Reply #27 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:27:32 AM »

Quote from: Sherief Shalaby on February 22, 2012, 08:25:22 AM

in 93 when they placed 2nd and 3rd at the olympia both were close to their best.. shawn was great but it was hard for him to beat an on flex.. i think shawn himself said something like "when flex was on he was the best"!!..

he did, so that kind of kills the debate all together, given shawn said flex was better when they were both close to 100%.

x2 on madeline.

Jaime · « **Reply #28 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:32:46 AM »

I liked Shawns build better. He had really good lines and shape and a well developed chest. Flex's arms overpowered his chest most of his career, big no no.

wes · « **Reply #29 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:35:22 AM »

Waiting for Tbomz to come into the thread and say that Ruhl was better than both these guys!

david94 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:44:57 AM »

Shawn at his best in 99, was beaten by Flex who was a little bit off (and Cormier and Levrone).
For people, Shawn is liked because he was always in shape and have never given up his line to be bigger . The reality is that he was just not able to gain a lot of muscle very fast like his competitors and traduced his weakness by the wish of keeping a beautiful body.
Flex had all the strong points Shawn already had multiplied by 100 and could be as big as desired, whereas Shawn was condemned to gain 1 or 2 pounds per year and to complain about the judges.

First Blood · « **Reply #31 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:45:49 AM »

Quote from: wes on February 22, 2012, 08:35:22 AM

Waiting for Tbomz to come into the thread and say that Ruhl was better than both these guys!

Wes, you and Tbombz seem to have opposing views on most things.

wes · « **Reply #32 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:46:30 AM »

Quote from: First Blood on February 22, 2012, 08:45:49 AM

Wes, you and Tbombz seem to have opposing views on most things.

That`s because I`m knowledgable about bodybuilding and he`s not.

Jaime · « **Reply #33 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:48:21 AM »

Quote from: wes on February 22, 2012, 08:35:22 AM

Waiting for Tbomz to come into the thread and say that Ruhl was better than both these guys!

haha

Yes Ruhl had better aesthetics because he is bigger apparently....WTF

wes · « **Reply #34 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:49:49 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on February 22, 2012, 08:48:21 AM

haha

Yes Ruhl had better aesthetics because he is bigger apparently....WTF

ZZZy would kill them all!

Just kidding,put the gun down!

wes · « **Reply #35 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:51:11 AM »

Quote from: david94 on February 22, 2012, 08:44:57 AM

Shawn at his best in 99, was beaten by Flex who was a little bit off (and Cormier and Levrone).
For people, Shawn is liked because he was always in shape and have never given up his line to be bigger . The reality is that he was just not able to gain a lot of muscle very fast like his competitors and traduced his weakness by the wish of keeping a beautiful body.
Flex had all the strong points Shawn already had multiplied by 100 and could be as big as desired, whereas Shawn was condemned to gain 1 or 2 pounds per year and to complain about the judges.

Flex used a ton of oil,so that finishes any point you`re attempting to make.

First Blood · « **Reply #36 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:53:12 AM »

Yes it seemed to be that flex increased his olive oil use as the 90s progressed. In the late 90s he was full of alot of olive oil + esiclene. I know Levrone also liked esiclene (shoulders + triceps).

Jaime · « **Reply #37 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:54:11 AM »

Quote from: wes on February 22, 2012, 08:49:49 AM

ZZZy would kill them all!

Just kidding,put the gun down!

It's fine old timer.

p.s. just don't open your mail for the next few weeks, i kind of got a little anthrax happy for a while.

Parker · « **Reply #38 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:55:28 AM »

Quote from: david94 on February 22, 2012, 08:44:57 AM

Shawn at his best in 99, was beaten by Flex who was a little bit off (and Cormier and Levrone).
For people, Shawn is liked because he was always in shape and have never given up his line to be bigger . The reality is that he was just not able to gain a lot of muscle very fast like his competitors and traduced his weakness by the wish of keeping a beautiful body.
Flex had all the strong points Shawn already had multiplied by 100 and could be as big as desired, whereas Shawn was condemned to gain 1 or 2 pounds per year and to complain about the judges.

Flex's lines were ruined when he went above 224ish...he looked his best in 92 at 215 and 93 at 216 and 218. Had flex not had the accident, and gained weight in smaller increments, he may have looked better at higher weights. But, he made "bigger jumps in weight", and his lower back, glutes and hams were watery due to that extra weight. Flex was Brian Buchanan with Legs, Melvin was a shorter Flex with a smaller waist and less detail. And both suffered the same conditioning symtoms.

wes · « **Reply #39 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:55:45 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on February 22, 2012, 08:54:11 AM

It's fine old timer.

p.s. just don't open your mail for the next few weeks, i kind of got a little anthrax happy for a while.

First Blood · « **Reply #40 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:57:34 AM »

Quote from: GangstaLean on February 22, 2012, 08:55:28 AM

Flex's lines were ruined when he went above 224ish...he looked his best in 92 at 215 and 93 at 216 and 218. Had flex not had the accident, and gained weight in smaller increments, he may have looked better at higher weights. But, he made "bigger jumps in weight", and his lower back, glutes and hams were watery due to that extra weight. Flex was Brian Buchanan with Legs, Melvin was a shorter Flex with a smaller waist and less detail. And both suffered the same conditioning symtoms.

Most of the guys who are of similar height look best at max 230. Prince (in my opinion), for example was at his best when he was around 230.

Jaime · « **Reply #41 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:58:50 AM »

I know this is a minority opinion but i don't like Flex's lines....

Narrow as a cocktail stick and no chest, very dissproportinate arms.

Jaime · « **Reply #42 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:01:41 AM »

Quote from: GangstaLean on February 22, 2012, 08:55:28 AM

Flex's lines were ruined when he went above 224ish...he looked his best in 92 at 215 and 93 at 216 and 218. Had flex not had the accident, and gained weight in smaller increments, he may have looked better at higher weights. But, he made "bigger jumps in weight", and his lower back, glutes and hams were watery due to that extra weight. Flex was Brian Buchanan with Legs, Melvin was a shorter Flex with a smaller waist and less detail. And both suffered the same conditioning symtoms.

Brian had better lines, thicker chest, even smaller waist.

His progression should have been more gradual granted.

david94 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:02:25 AM »

Quote from: wes on February 22, 2012, 08:51:11 AM

Flex used a ton of oil,so that finishes any point you`re attempting to make.

And?
When you use drugs that make you much bigger than if you decided to lift without them, do you really gain the muscle by your own strength and dedication?
Both Shawn and Flex look like shit now they are retired so if one of them used implants or oil I don't care. They gained at least 50 pounds of muscle on drugs.

Parker · « **Reply #44 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:03:54 AM »

Quote from: First Blood on February 22, 2012, 08:57:34 AM

Most of the guys who are of similar height looks best at max 230. Prince, for example was at his best when he was around 230.

True, but Flex was an anomaly in that he weighed less than the majority of the competitors his height. In 97 he was 224, and Nasser was 280...in 99, he made the mistake of trying to play the Mass Game, and should have stuck to his roots, he has beaten Ronnie not thru his mass, but by his shape and conditioning...but it was too late, Ronnie had mass, shape, and conditioning in spades...

I often thought that Arne List looked better and more complete than Tom Prince.

Quote from: Jaime on February 22, 2012, 09:01:41 AM

Brian had better lines, thicker chest, even smaller waist.

His progression should have been more gradual granted.

I'll give you that.

Jaime · « **Reply #45 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:05:02 AM »

Excusing the weird old couple, that is easily one of the best standing relaxed pictures ever.

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #46 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:08:20 AM »

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #47 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:09:26 AM »

david94 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:11:42 AM »

Quote from: GangstaLean on February 22, 2012, 08:55:28 AM

Flex's lines were ruined when he went above 224ish...he looked his best in 92 at 215 and 93 at 216 and 218. Had flex not had the accident, and gained weight in smaller increments, he may have looked better at higher weights. But, he made "bigger jumps in weight", and his lower back, glutes and hams were watery due to that extra weight. Flex was Brian Buchanan with Legs, Melvin was a shorter Flex with a smaller waist and less detail. And both suffered the same conditioning symtoms.

Flex didn't ruin his line at all, he kept a small waist until the day of his last contest. His only problem was the water retention as you said and the lack of definition in his arms at the end of his career, but he had a dominant physique, much more dominant than Shawn Ray on stage.

Flex is unique in history of humanity. He could never ruin his line as he had the most perfect skeleton and the most beautiful muscle belly of all time. Even with his oiled arms and lack of shoulders and chest in 1998 (not in 1999) his structure allowed him to look amazing.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #49 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:12:48 AM »

Quote from: bigkubby on February 21, 2012, 11:27:51 PM

POCS PICS OF YOUR DECISION!!! AND WHY

LMFAO Flex is in a WHOLE OTHER league , Shawn isn't even close