Bull S%@& Racial incident mars high school game

[Option D]

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Depending on where they are, yeah it could have.
Youre assuming the one team was ENTIRELY WHITE (assuming mostly white), and the other team was entirely comprised of minorities.

Just from this post, your stating without a doubt its racism because (according to you) they only chanted USA cause the other team was mostly minorities. You have no idea why they were chanting USA.

No i think you got me wrong. I dont know the dynamics of the team. I dont know the dynamics of the story. But I cant say that always Chanting USA USA in all instances is harmless.

[Option D]

So if they were playing a white team from Switzerland?

So the Olympics is one big shouting racism convention?

No. then its National pride, which i have. But why would i chant USA against another American, unless i dont feel that other team is American.

[Soul Crusher]

No. then its National pride, which i have. But why would i chant USA against another American, unless i dont feel that other team is American.

Was the other team full of tacos? 

[Mr. Magoo]

No i disagree.  What the other team meant by it is not the issue here.  What they actually said is the issue.  If we run around worrying about what people "mean" by everything they say then we will not be able to talk to each other at all.   What they said wasn't racist.  However, i will concede that what they said was nationalistic.  

you're wrong. Many many times in daily conversation we infer things not by what was said, but by the fact that it was said (i wont waste time with examples unless you ask for some). Intention plays a very big role in everyday life, not only the strict logical structure. This is called "conversational implicatures". Some studies say that we do this (leave things to be inferred without saying it explicitly) as a means of respecting the intelligence of others, i.e. "they're smart enough to fill in the blanks so I don't have to". We can, and very much do, run around worrying about what people intend to mean apart from what the words people use actually do mean.

[OzmO]

No. then its National pride, which i have. But why would i chant USA against another American, unless i dont feel that other team is American.

Why would you feel that?  Maybe because the other team is composed of illegals?

Why would the other team take offense if they were also American citizens?

Maybe they should have chanted with them.

[OzmO]

you're wrong. Many many times in daily conversation we infer things not by what was said, but by the fact that it was said (i wont waste time with examples unless you ask for some). Intention plays a very big role in everyday life, not only the strict logical structure. This is called "conversational implicatures". Some studies say that we do this (leave things to be inferred without saying it explicitly) as a means of respecting the intelligence of others, i.e. "they're smart enough to fill in the blanks so I don't have to". We can, and very much do, run around worrying about what people intend to mean apart from what the words people use actually do mean.

My point is maybe we shouldn't, because when we do, we often make it out to be something its not.

Chanting USA USA USA is not racist.  It can however be charged as nationalistic. 

[Option D]

Why would you feel that?  Maybe because the other team is composed of illegals?

Why would the other team take offense if they were also American citizens?

Maybe they should have chanted with them.

for them to Assume that the other team is full of illegals because they are non-White is racist.

[OzmO]

for them to Assume that the other team is full of illegals because they are non-White is racist.

did they?

Or are they dealing with the reality of 12,000,000+ illegals (99% Mexican) in the USA?

And how is that Racist?  Calling them spics, wet backs, etc..  is.  

how about when a Mexican family flies a Mexico flag in front of their house is that racist?

[Mr. Magoo]

My point is maybe we shouldn't, because when we do, we often make it out to be something its not.

Chanting USA USA USA is not racist.  It can however be charged as nationalistic. 

you said earlier that if we do worry about what people intend to mean, then we will not be able to talk to each other at all

I said that we do worry about what people intend to mean, and are still able to talk to each other, thereby invalidating your conditional.

Now you are saying we do, but that we shouldn't  .  You probably meant "if we worry only about what people intend to mean" in your original conditional. In your original, you left open the possibility of also considering logical structure, but I think you intended to say that if we disregarded logical structure and only focused on intent, then we will not be able to talk to each other. This is allowed by my revised conditional adding the word "only", not by your original statement.

see how we need to focus on intent to even have this discussion? Intent is very important.

[Fury]

ITT: Nanny statists complain.

[Soul Crusher]

Maybe we should charge the students w a hate crime for chanting USA due to the hypersensitive crybabies melting down like impulsive overly emotional toddlers? 

[OzmO]

you said earlier that if we do worry about what people intend to mean, then we will not be able to talk to each other at all

I said that we do worry about what people intend to mean, and are still able to talk to each other, thereby invalidating your conditional.

Now you are saying we do, but that we shouldn't  .  You probably meant "if we worry only about what people intend to mean" in your original conditional. In your original, you left open the possibility of also considering logical structure, but I think you intended to say that if we disregarded logical structure and only focused on intent, then we will not be able to talk to each other. This is allowed by my revised conditional adding the word "only", not by your original statement.

see how we need to focus on intent to even have this discussion? Intent is very important.

This is what i said:

 If we run around worrying about what people "mean" by everything they say then we will not be able to talk to each other at all.

You said:

We can, and very much do, run around worrying about what people intend to mean apart from what the words people use actually do mean.

And i said:

.....Maybe we shouldn't.  because when we do, we often make it out to be something its not.

So what was your point again?

[OzmO]

Question for all of you who think this incident at the game was racist.

"If a Mexican family flies a Mexican flag in front of their house is that Racist?"

[Soul Crusher]

Question for all of you who think this incident at the game was racist.

"If a Mexican family flies a Mexican flag in front of their house is that Racist?"

Oh of course not - that is the highest sign of patriotism in America, especially when they burn the flag and spit on it.

 

[blacken700]

what they did was chant usa usa.now they're probably all americans but what they were trying to do is call them un-american because of their color.is it racist that's an opinion,does it show no class,sure does

[OzmO]

what they did was chant usa usa.now they're probably all americans but what they were trying to do is call them un-american because of their color.is it racist that's an opinion,does it show no class,sure does

The charge is racism, not whether they have class or not. 

Try and keep up Blacken   

[blacken700]

The charge is racism, not whether they have class or not. 

Try and keep up Blacken   

try to keep up i think it was. do you think it shows no class

[George Whorewell]

BTW you over sensitive immigrants:

NO ONE ASKED YOU COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.   SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT OR CANT HANDLE PATRIOTISM GET THE FUCK OUT.

Racist post reported.

[Shockwave]

what they did was chant usa usa.now they're probably all americans but what they were trying to do is call them un-american because of their color.is it racist that's an opinion,does it show no class,sure does

You have no idea that was why they were chanting that. Thats your opinion and your basis to prove its racism.

[blacken700]

You have no idea that was why they were chanting that. Thats your opinion and your basis to prove its racism.

why don't you tell us another reason they did it,even the coach knew it

[OzmO]

try to keep up i think it was. do you think it shows no class

Was the article about having no class?  or was it about what they did as being racist?

Learn to read first, then try and keep up

[blacken700]

Was the article about having no class?  or was it about what they did as being racist?

Learn to read first, then try and keep up

why don't you answer the question

[OzmO]

why don't you answer the question

I would if the discussion here was about whether what they did was classless or not.  But if that was the case, it would have never made the news and hence never made it on this forum.    So i see no point in answering it.   

In case you forget....

The issue is about racism, not whether or not the boys had class. 

[blacken700]

what ever mr no balls.i think it had to do with race and was classless.i least i have the balls to give my opinion and not play little games      

[Soul Crusher]

what ever mr no balls.i think it had to do with race and was classless.i least i have the balls to give my opinion and not play little games