theres only so much that can be put on the shelves that could work to any degree before being pulled off shelves due to being to real in results.amino's have been around forever,,if u use them use old school beverly international aminos it can't hurt but in the end it will not promote tremendous gains or visual results.main thing is get ur self as lean as possible in ur eyes could be 10 pct,8 pct whatever u feel is ur goal then take a supp or 2 and see what it could do then.if ur out of shape no supp will show on a visual look whatsoever.