Zimmerman - Self Defense Class or Benching 500 an Up? whats next?

[Irongrip400]

Last I saw was that Zimmerman's lawyers want Trayvon's school records, failed drug tests, and disciplinary actions released. Martin's family was fighting it. Zimmerman's lawyers say it's needed to give a more complete background on who/what Trayvon was.
 

They should. Zimmerman is still an idiot, wrong or not. He left too much gray area in his actions. If you're going to cap someone, gray area is not what you want to be in.

[SLYY]

Please go into detail, as I haven't followed this case very closely.

From George Zimmerman's mouth:

"I felt he was suspicious because it was raining.  He was in between houses - cutting in between houses.  He was walking very leisurely for the weather.  He didn't look like a resident who went to check their mail and got caught in the rain and was hurrying home.  He didn't look like a fitness fanatic who would train in the rain."


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[Jack T. Cross]

From George Zimmerman's mouth:

"I felt he was suspicious because it was raining.  He was in between houses - cutting in between houses.  He was walking very leisurely for the weather.  He didn't look like a resident who went to check their mail and got caught in the rain and was hurrying home.  He didn't look like a fitness fanatic who would train in the rain."

As far as you know, is this the recorded extent of what aroused Zimmerman's suspicions?

[SLYY]

As far as you know, is this the recorded extent of what arosed Zimmerman's suspicions?

With regard to that night, as far as I know, that is what made Zimmerman suspicious.  However, he stated that there were numerous recent home invasions and burglaries in his neighborhood.  Specifically, a female neighbor with a 9 month old was home alone when a home invasion took place.  Zimmerman's wife saw the home invaders carry that neighbor's belongings across Zimmerman's backyard.  Thereafter, George Zimmerman promised his wife that he would do all he could to keep her and the neighborhood safe.   

[sancho ed]

It is?  Why?

You are well within your rights to notice someone who is acting suspiciously in your neighborhood AFTER numerous home invasions have taken place (actually, even without the home invasions).   You are well within your rights to follow him and tell the police his whereabouts.  What is NOT legal is for that person to physical attack you because you are keeping an eye on him.  That can get him shot.

good post!

[Parker]

What happened here? There was a media frenzy about it, race card thrown around multiple times, but where's it at now?  Is it a conspiracy by the DA to drag it out until its forgotten about, then offer a plea?  Keeping it BB related, Zimmerman needs some crossfit training to correct his skinny fat problem.

I was thinking about it the other day.
Seems like the public and media forgot all about it...you know we as a nation have a short attention span...
Now back to our regular scheduled programming, "what is Kim K wearing?"

[Jack T. Cross]

With regard to that night, as far as I know, that is what made Zimmerman suspicious.  However, he stated that there were numerous recent home invasions and burglaries in his neighborhood.  Specifically, a female neighbor with a 9 month old was home alone when a home invasion took place.  Zimmerman's wife saw the home invaders carry that neighbor's belongings across Zimmerman's backyard.  Thereafter, George Zimmerman promised his wife that he would do all he could to keep her and the neighborhood safe.   

The act of following means so much--especially when combined with aggressive words--because it indicates a contribution to unnecessary escalation.  If that escalation causes damage, any contributor to it will share responsibility.

[DanielPaul]

Best yet remember the term "white hispanic" .  What happened was a tragedy no doubt but it just goes to show how bad the media and racist want to play the race card on whites.

[SLYY]

The act of following means so much--especially when combined with aggressive words--because it indicates a contribution to unnecessary escalation.  If that escalation causes damage, any contributor to it will share responsibility.

I haven't heard of any allegations that Zimmerman used any words while following Trayvon (to Trayvon)...let alone aggressive words.  If there are facts to the contrary, I would appreciate the correction.  Nonetheless, this is a criminal case not a civil case.  

[Mawse]

Best yet remember the term "white hispanic" .  What happened was a tragedy no doubt but it just goes to show how bad the media and racist want to play the race card on whites.

all that did in the end was piss off pretty much the entire hispanic community. Wouldn't suprise me if the case is being buried until after the elections (and ignored by the loyal media) so The Great Leader doesn't get any blowback from it and miss out on that all important messican vote that they've spent so many tax dollars on securing

[Jack T. Cross]

Best yet remember the term "white hispanic" .  What happened was a tragedy no doubt but it just goes to show how bad the media and racist want to play the race card on whites.

Anything to cause division and conflict among otherwise good people.  Some will argue that divisive messaging is "best for profit", but it just seems too convenient that it also cultivates vulnerability to a subversion of freedom.

[Roger Bacon]

Was it just a rumor that Trayvon stole the skittles and green tea he was carrying?

[Jack T. Cross]

I haven't heard of any allegations that Zimmerman used any words while following Trayvon (to Trayvon)...let alone aggressive words.  If there are facts to the contrary, I would appreciate the correction.

240 knows more about this, but I believe he used the word 'asshole' and similar sentiments.

Nonetheless, this is a criminal case not a civil case.  

It is.

[chaos]

the shooter will get a year to drag it out.

he chased a kid two blocks telling police "he's getting away" and "these little punks" and "assholes always do this..."

Maybe they met and the kid whooped him, maybe not.  Either way, a teenager ran two blocks to avoid a confrontation, and this guy pursued two blocks to have one.  Shoot might be legal, but it doesn't sound right.  it's a problem with the law that you can chase someone 2 blocks, making them feel threatened, then shoot them when you feel threatened.

[SLYY]

240 knows more about this, but I believe he used the word 'asshole' and similar sentiments.

The words 240 has stated were told to the police on the phone, not to Trayvon. 

[Shockwave]

The words 240 has stated were told to the police on the phone, not to Trayvon. 

He said "These assholes always get away" while talking to the operator, refer to the thieves that break into the neighborhood houses.

[G_Thang]

http://www.eurweb.com/2012/03/video-mom-of-13-year-old-witness-in-trayvon-shooting-speaks-out/


Watch the video, Convict.  Your rolling eyes vs the words of Mrs Brown.

[Schnauzer]

http://www.eurweb.com/2012/03/video-mom-of-13-year-old-witness-in-trayvon-shooting-speaks-out/


Watch the video, Convict.  Your rolling eyes vs the words of Mrs Brown.

Why not post about the witnesses that backed up Zimmerpig?

One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/watchwomanonthewall/2012/03/police-report-zimmermans-account-corroborated-by-witnesses.html#ixzz2AeUz5GL5

[Jack T. Cross]

The words 240 has stated were told to the police on the phone, not to Trayvon. 

The words referred to his assumptions about the person he was following.

[tonymctones]

The words referred to his assumptions about the person he was following.

and? saying them to the police does not escalate the situation.

your premise was the he made statement that escalated the situation, how is telling the police that escalating the situation?

[Jack T. Cross]

By the way, does anyone know what acknowledgements took place between the two, originally?

[Jack T. Cross]

and? saying them to the police does not escalate the situation.

your premise was the he made statement that escalated the situation, how is telling the police that escalating the situation?

We are talking about the act of following, while indicating aggression.

[Radical Plato]

It is?  Why?

You are well within your rights to notice someone who is acting suspiciously in your neighborhood AFTER numerous home invasions have taken place (actually, even without the home invasions).   You are well within your rights to follow him and tell the police his whereabouts.  What is NOT legal is for that person to physical attack you because you are keeping an eye on him.  That can get him shot.

Translation: You can roam your neighbourhood with a gun, stalk whomever you like, confront unarmed people for no reason, threaten them and when you consider you have had enough, just murder them and claim self defence, who's going to argue that right, you just shot and murdered the only witness.

Not hard to work out Zimmerpig Murdered another man, any way you cut it, he went looking for trouble, he found it, he murdered it!

[G_Thang]

Why not post about the witnesses that backed up Zimmerpig?

One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/watchwomanonthewall/2012/03/police-report-zimmermans-account-corroborated-by-witnesses.html#ixzz2AeUz5GL5

Fuck them!  I'm only interested in what Cheryl Brown has to say.

[Roger Bacon]

Translation: You can roam your neighbourhood with a gun

Absolutely, perfectly legal as it should be.  

stalk whomever you like

Zimmerman's action definitely don't meet the legal definition of stalking.  

confront unarmed people for no reason

Completely understandable and legal, confronting a suspicious individual in a neighborhood with a history of recent home invasions. Commendable action of a good, responsible citizen.

just murder them and claim self defence, who's going to argue that right, you just shot and murdered the only witness.

I believe the only witness claimed Martin was attempting to murder Zimmerman by slamming his head into the ground.  Zimmerman's injuries back this up.