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The Gullible Center
« on: April 09, 2012, 05:40:19 AM »
April 8, 2012
The Gullible Center
By PAUL KRUGMAN

So, can we talk about the Paul Ryan phenomenon?

And yes, I mean the phenomenon, not the man. Mr. Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee and the principal author of the last two Congressional Republican budget proposals, isn’t especially interesting. He’s a garden-variety modern G.O.P. extremist, an Ayn Rand devotee who believes that the answer to all problems is to cut taxes on the rich and slash benefits for the poor and middle class.

No, what’s interesting is the cult that has grown up around Mr. Ryan — and in particular the way self-proclaimed centrists elevated him into an icon of fiscal responsibility, and even now can’t seem to let go of their fantasy.

The Ryan cult was very much on display last week, after President Obama said the obvious: the latest Republican budget proposal, a proposal that Mitt Romney has avidly embraced, is a “Trojan horse” — that is, it is essentially a fraud. “Disguised as deficit reduction plans, it is really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country.”


The reaction from many commentators was a howl of outrage. The president was being rude; he was being partisan; he was being a big meanie. Yet what he said about the Ryan proposal was completely accurate.

Actually, there are many problems with that proposal. But you can get the gist if you understand two numbers: $4.6 trillion and 14 million.

Of these, $4.6 trillion is the revenue cost over the next decade of the tax cuts embodied in the plan, as estimated by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. These cuts — which are, by the way, cuts over and above those involved in making the Bush tax cuts permanent — would disproportionately benefit the wealthy, with the average member of the top 1 percent receiving a tax break of $238,000 a year.

Mr. Ryan insists that despite these tax cuts his proposal is “revenue neutral,” that he would make up for the lost revenue by closing loopholes. But he has refused to specify a single loophole he would close. And if we assess the proposal without his secret (and probably nonexistent) plan to raise revenue, it turns out to involve running bigger deficits than we would run under the Obama administration’s proposals.

Meanwhile, 14 million is a minimum estimate of the number of Americans who would lose health insurance under Mr. Ryan’s proposed cuts in Medicaid; estimates by the Urban Institute actually put the number at between 14 million and 27 million.

So the proposal is exactly as President Obama described it: a proposal to deny health care (and many other essentials) to millions of Americans, while lavishing tax cuts on corporations and the wealthy — all while failing to reduce the budget deficit, unless you believe in Mr. Ryan’s secret revenue sauce. So why are centrists rising to Mr. Ryan’s defense?

Well, ask yourself the following: What does it mean to be a centrist, anyway?

It could mean supporting politicians who actually are relatively nonideological, who are willing, for example, to seek Democratic support for health reforms originally devised by Republicans, to support deficit-reduction plans that rely on both spending cuts and revenue increases. And by that standard, centrists should be lavishing praise on the leading politician who best fits that description — a fellow named Barack Obama.


But the “centrists” who weigh in on policy debates are playing a different game. Their self-image, and to a large extent their professional selling point, depends on posing as high-minded types standing between the partisan extremes, bringing together reasonable people from both parties — even if these reasonable people don’t actually exist. And this leaves them unable either to admit how moderate Mr. Obama is or to acknowledge the more or less universal extremism of his opponents on the right.

Enter Mr. Ryan, an ordinary G.O.P. extremist, but a mild-mannered one. The “centrists” needed to pretend that there are reasonable Republicans, so they nominated him for the role, crediting him with virtues he has never shown any sign of possessing. Indeed, back in 2010 Mr. Ryan, who has never once produced a credible deficit-reduction plan, received an award for fiscal responsibility from a committee representing several prominent centrist organizations.

So you can see the problem these commentators face. To admit that the president’s critique is right would be to admit that they were snookered by Mr. Ryan, who is the same as he ever was. More than that, it would call into question their whole centrist shtick — for the moral of my story is that Mr. Ryan isn’t the only emperor who turns out, on closer examination, to be naked.

Hence the howls of outrage, and the attacks on the president for being “partisan.” For that is what people in Washington say when they want to shout down someone who is telling the truth.
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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2012, 05:42:42 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2012, 05:43:08 AM »
The response of the chattering classes in DC to the Ryan/Romney Austerity Budget is par for the course in today's political world. Time and time again, we see so-called moderate political figures and the "mainstream" media failing to call out rabidly reactionary Republicans for what they are. The result is that our entire political system gradually moves further and further to the right, as conservatives get more and more extreme, while progressive-minded politicians feel the pull to move to the right in order to appear more "reasonable" in the eyes of the DC insiders.

President Obama has engaged in a risky and often frustrating strategy to short circuit this process. Faced with a pathologically intransigent GOP, our President has time and again given away far more than we would like in order to demonstrate clearly that he is reasonable. In response, the GOP has predictably pushed for even more in their desire to never compromise.

The hope behind Obama's strategy is that the GOP will go so far off the deep end that they will be thoroughly discredited and rejected by the voters. As a matter of policy, the GOP has clearly done so, as they have voted to abolish Medicare, filibustered efforts to create jobs, pushed our country to the brink of default, attacked contraception, etc. It is up to us in November to make sure that the GOP is also discredited at the ballot box.
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It’s intriguing. Ryan is an Ayn Rand devotee. That is, a devotee of fictional works. Ayn Rand considered herself a writer of fiction, not Philosophy, Political Science, Economics, and so on, although Atlas Shrugged was intended as an inclusive dramatization of all these. Professionally, she was a script reader, screenwriter, and novelist.

What was the life experience that inspired her? Her biography reveals an early life to early-20’s that was upset by the Bolshevik Revolution, violence, the Communists’ confiscation of her father's pharmacy, and experiencing several periods of near-starvation, as a consequence of the revolution.

With the experience of many real-life hardships, it’s easy to see why she was drawn to writing stories and fiction, escapism and a fantasy life. Much like Ryan’s budget; and much like the Republicans’ believing in the Confidence Fairy and simplistic ideology, proven invalid, to solve major real-life problems.

“The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.” -- U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, (The New Republic http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/80552/paul-ryan-and-ayn-rand)

I would much prefer a budget prepared by a great thinker, one who is accomplished in the reality, not fantasy, of Economics. Someone famous for writing, say, hypothetically, “Krugman Shrugged”….

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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2012, 05:44:33 AM »
Where is Obama's budget again? 

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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2012, 06:01:24 AM »
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Paul Krugman!?!?!? Really? Talk about someone that hasn't been right on damn thing in, well, ever. Another charlatan with no real answers besides print more money and do more stimulus! Even after those 2 things didn't work in the least he has the balls to say that the govt. didn't print and spend enough!

Too funny if it wasn't so sad.

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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2012, 06:05:53 AM »
Krugman, former enron advisor, is beyond a laughable joke.   Space invasions anyone? 

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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2012, 06:11:13 AM »
April 8, 2012
The Gullible Center
By PAUL KRUGMAN

So, can we talk about the Paul Ryan phenomenon?

And yes, I mean the phenomenon, not the man. Mr. Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee and the principal author of the last two Congressional Republican budget proposals, isn’t especially interesting. He’s a garden-variety modern G.O.P. extremist, an Ayn Rand devotee who believes that the answer to all problems is to cut taxes on the rich and slash benefits for the poor and middle class.

No, what’s interesting is the cult that has grown up around Mr. Ryan — and in particular the way self-proclaimed centrists elevated him into an icon of fiscal responsibility, and even now can’t seem to let go of their fantasy.

The Ryan cult was very much on display last week, after President Obama said the obvious: the latest Republican budget proposal, a proposal that Mitt Romney has avidly embraced, is a “Trojan horse” — that is, it is essentially a fraud. “Disguised as deficit reduction plans, it is really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country.”


The reaction from many commentators was a howl of outrage. The president was being rude; he was being partisan; he was being a big meanie. Yet what he said about the Ryan proposal was completely accurate.

Actually, there are many problems with that proposal. But you can get the gist if you understand two numbers: $4.6 trillion and 14 million.

Of these, $4.6 trillion is the revenue cost over the next decade of the tax cuts embodied in the plan, as estimated by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. These cuts — which are, by the way, cuts over and above those involved in making the Bush tax cuts permanent — would disproportionately benefit the wealthy, with the average member of the top 1 percent receiving a tax break of $238,000 a year.

Mr. Ryan insists that despite these tax cuts his proposal is “revenue neutral,” that he would make up for the lost revenue by closing loopholes. But he has refused to specify a single loophole he would close. And if we assess the proposal without his secret (and probably nonexistent) plan to raise revenue, it turns out to involve running bigger deficits than we would run under the Obama administration’s proposals.

Meanwhile, 14 million is a minimum estimate of the number of Americans who would lose health insurance under Mr. Ryan’s proposed cuts in Medicaid; estimates by the Urban Institute actually put the number at between 14 million and 27 million.

So the proposal is exactly as President Obama described it: a proposal to deny health care (and many other essentials) to millions of Americans, while lavishing tax cuts on corporations and the wealthy — all while failing to reduce the budget deficit, unless you believe in Mr. Ryan’s secret revenue sauce. So why are centrists rising to Mr. Ryan’s defense?

Well, ask yourself the following: What does it mean to be a centrist, anyway?

It could mean supporting politicians who actually are relatively nonideological, who are willing, for example, to seek Democratic support for health reforms originally devised by Republicans, to support deficit-reduction plans that rely on both spending cuts and revenue increases. And by that standard, centrists should be lavishing praise on the leading politician who best fits that description — a fellow named Barack Obama.


But the “centrists” who weigh in on policy debates are playing a different game. Their self-image, and to a large extent their professional selling point, depends on posing as high-minded types standing between the partisan extremes, bringing together reasonable people from both parties — even if these reasonable people don’t actually exist. And this leaves them unable either to admit how moderate Mr. Obama is or to acknowledge the more or less universal extremism of his opponents on the right.

Enter Mr. Ryan, an ordinary G.O.P. extremist, but a mild-mannered one. The “centrists” needed to pretend that there are reasonable Republicans, so they nominated him for the role, crediting him with virtues he has never shown any sign of possessing. Indeed, back in 2010 Mr. Ryan, who has never once produced a credible deficit-reduction plan, received an award for fiscal responsibility from a committee representing several prominent centrist organizations.

So you can see the problem these commentators face. To admit that the president’s critique is right would be to admit that they were snookered by Mr. Ryan, who is the same as he ever was. More than that, it would call into question their whole centrist shtick — for the moral of my story is that Mr. Ryan isn’t the only emperor who turns out, on closer examination, to be naked.

Hence the howls of outrage, and the attacks on the president for being “partisan.” For that is what people in Washington say when they want to shout down someone who is telling the truth.

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Re: The Gullible Center
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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2012, 06:37:40 AM »
Another cut-and-paste battle. Yay.

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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2012, 06:42:16 AM »
Another cut-and-paste battle. Yay.

Krugman is a joke.  He is good for a laugh, but is taken as gospel by the economic illiterates like ghettobama benny andre et al. 

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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2012, 06:55:35 AM »
Krugman, former enron advisor, is beyond a laughable joke.   Space invasions anyone? 

Isn't he the one that openly advocated a massive housing bubble to "jump start" the economy?

Another swing and miss by the Charlatan.

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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2012, 07:46:48 AM »
Krugman is a joke.  He is good for a laugh, but is taken as gospel by the economic illiterates like ghettobama benny andre et al. 
Like you're some economic brain trust.  ::)

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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2012, 07:50:24 AM »
Like you're some economic brain trust.  ::)

I'll compare my predictions from 2008 versus his any day of the week.  Krugman is an angry little communist muppet who spouts utter bs to make the fellow progressive socialists feel comfortable spouting pure drivel and theft. 

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Re: The Gullible Center
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2012, 08:00:19 AM »
The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a
living are outnumbered by those Who vote for a living.

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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2012, 08:04:17 AM »
The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a
living are outnumbered by those Who vote for a living.


Demographics are a killer.

Which is why a part of me believes that the politicians are going to try and keep this broken machine chugging along for as long as possible so they can wait for the retiree's to die.

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2012, 08:08:00 AM »
Demographics are a killer.

Which is why a part of me believes that the politicians are going to try and keep this broken machine chugging along for as long as possible so they can wait for the retiree's to die.

Its called ponzinomics - as advocated by the likes of Krugman and the big govt statists.