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« Reply #150 on: April 17, 2012, 02:06:26 PM »

thats sensible, man.you can have more carb meals, if you simply increase the cardio volume.

i do ridiculous things to stay away from the carbs, lol, like i drink all my water with loads of aspartame Grin

dj181, i get cray good pumps on this diet, its weird, the first couple days are hard to get used to it, but very soon after the body seems to adapt and make the very best out of the little carbs in the system.the pumps could even be described as more intense,i swear to god.
it seems to work very good as long there is some bodyfat to use.

btw i am not sure if ketosis is reached with this diet, but i dont care as long this works.

oh another thing, if anyone cares, i dont start diets slowly, i crash the calries right from day one.
people are overly paranoid about losing muscle during a diet, but the combo of hard training and enough hormones make sure there is no or just minimal losses.
especially if youre on less juice when not on diet.
a pro told me to juice way less when not on diet, the extra calories outside the cutting diet help greatly.
ever since i follow this, i have "easy" time getting lean.



lol... this week I'm adding all that sugar free stuff hoping it'll help. Had a carb day on sunday so haven't had the need for it yet but come the weekend I'm sure I'll be snorting that sweet and low crap straight out the packet lol. Gonna try to go as long as I can without refeeding. I'm with you on making the diet as short as possible.
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« Reply #151 on: April 17, 2012, 05:31:36 PM »

haha i drink so much of it, the time spent on the toilet is remarkable Shocked

the stuf is kinda addictive, but it really helps to stay away from carbs and sweet stuff in general.

btw, sometimes i eat a couple "haribos" with the meals, but thats rather insignificant i think.

oh 1 thing for after the diet(when youre happy at 6-7percent), do not start too eat too much, increase calories slooowly to not ruin the looks Cool

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« Reply #152 on: April 17, 2012, 06:11:21 PM »

a pro told me to juice way less when not on diet, the extra calories outside the cutting diet help greatly.

i feel like the complete opposite is true.

no need to use a lot of gear when cutting and not trying to add muscle as not much gear is needed to hold onto muscle. but to gain muscle, especially after hitting plateaus, that's exactly when the gear needs to be raised.

grow more = up the dosage
cut more = cut the dosage
grow and cut = really up the dosage

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« Reply #153 on: April 17, 2012, 09:09:12 PM »

he actualy told me to keep my current size, i can entirely go off during the "offseason".

if id want be bigger, then id need to cruise on bit test.

he says the growing itself can be achieved by simply eating enough.

and i am currently off everything and look pretty much the same, maybe 1-2percent fatter and slightly less volume than i the picture.

i can live with that Cool and im not the youngest anymore, i have to be bit careful these days

btw, i am not denying i took looads of steroids throughout my life and this helped big time, looking at it from retrospective.
if you took massive amounts at one time in life, some "foundation" of that will always stay,i.e. no way could a natty build such a foundation.

I def beileve that I gained muscle for a long time natually for 8 years and since using steroids I have only gotten slighty bigger but am able to maintain all my muscle when cutting compared to when I was natty I would look like shit in 4-6 weeks and then start gaining again lol
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« Reply #154 on: April 17, 2012, 09:14:33 PM »

i feel like the complete opposite is true.

no need to use a lot of gear when cutting and not trying to add muscle as not much gear is needed to hold onto muscle. but to gain muscle, especially after hitting plateaus, that's exactly when the gear needs to be raised.

grow more = up the dosage
cut more = cut the dosage
grow and cut = really up the dosage



No because you can gain a shitload of muscle natually if u gain fat along with it... I mean look at some sumo wreastlers or fat people in general and some of them have lots of lean body mass
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« Reply #155 on: April 17, 2012, 10:06:05 PM »

i feel like the complete opposite is true.

no need to use a lot of gear when cutting and not trying to add muscle as not much gear is needed to hold onto muscle. but to gain muscle, especially after hitting plateaus, that's exactly when the gear needs to be raised.

grow more = up the dosage
cut more = cut the dosage
grow and cut = really up the dosage




i agree with this
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« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2012, 02:44:30 AM »

haha i drink so much of it, the time spent on the toilet is remarkable Shocked

the stuf is kinda addictive, but it really helps to stay away from carbs and sweet stuff in general.

btw, sometimes i eat a couple "haribos" with the meals, but thats rather insignificant i think.

oh 1 thing for after the diet(when youre happy at 6-7percent), do not start too eat too much, increase calories slooowly to not ruin the looks Cool

yeap,i am one diet coke lover too,the thing is it helps greatly,yea it's not awesome to your health because of all those artificial flavours in it,buuut,when you are dieting,feeling like shit and carb craving,that's when diet coke comes in help and you feel better after 1-2 cups.
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« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2012, 08:53:12 AM »

If you were to change your training a bit from lower volume/higher weight to the higher volume/shorter rests while dieting would this really have any effect on muscle loss if it something you are not used to doing? Was considering doing that approach for my arms (nubret style) in an attempt to get them to grow a bit more but keep lifting heavy with most other bodyparts. Would it be possible for them to grow at about 1400-1600 cals due to training change? Or at least stay the same and not experience any sort of muscle loss. Am always paranoid/worried to switch things up.
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« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2012, 10:01:12 AM »

If you were to change your training a bit from lower volume/higher weight to the higher volume/shorter rests while dieting would this really have any effect on muscle loss if it something you are not used to doing? Was considering doing that approach for my arms (nubret style) in an attempt to get them to grow a bit more but keep lifting heavy with most other bodyparts. Would it be possible for them to grow at about 1400-1600 cals due to training change? Or at least stay the same and not experience any sort of muscle loss. Am always paranoid/worried to switch things up.

no, as long as you keep training hard and with intensity you will keep growing provided your dosage is enough to elicit growth.

when it comes to adding mass, it really is all drugs, otherwise you'd see gyms full of naturals who looked like arnold simply by training long enough. the reality is, there is a direct correlation between the amount of muscle mass the body will add and the amount of hormones circulating in the body - simply put, it's all drugs.
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