Dorian Yates - two pics - very good quality

[delta9mda]

delta, how much did Dorian weigh at the 96 German GP?

approx 260 (give or take, i wouldnt say he was more than that). 255-257 in 95 and they say a flat Yates was 257 or 260 at the Olympia and obviously filled out for the gp shows. im not going to lie about the weights, it really doesnt matter. Yates wins, hth.

[NeoSeminole]

approx 260 (give or take, i wouldnt say he was more than that). 255-257 in 95 and they say a flat Yates was 257 or 260 at the Olympia and obviously filled out for the gp shows. im not going to lie about the weights, it really doesnt matter. Yates wins, hth

so ND is comparing a heavier-than-normal Dorian to a less conditioned Ronnie and arguing this is how a more conditioned Ronnie would look next to Dorian at his peak (93/95 Mr. Olympia)?

Can you help me see the logic here?

[NarcissisticDeity]

so ND is comparing a heavier-than-normal Dorian to a less conditioned Ronnie and arguing this is how a more conditioned Ronnie would look next to Dorian at his peak (93/95 Mr. Olympia)?

Can you help me see the logic here?

heavier than normal? he competed at around 257/260lbs please explain how this is heavier than normal?

And Neo it's not about the conditioning , it's about the size , width , even in the stretched pic Dorian looks a lot wider than Ronnie in the clavicles than Ronnie , and that's NOT Dorian ( or Ronnie ) at his best either , the discrepancy would be much greater if it were an in shape 247 pound Ronnie compared to a 269lb Dorian or even Dorian from the 1995 Olympia or 1993

Ronnie sums it up nicely

 Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.

Dorian has a big physique-hard and He's a big guy and has a lot going for him

[NeoSeminole]

Neo imagine Dorian at his best next to Ronnie at 247lbs hehehehehehe

lol, is that all you got? 01 ASC Ronnie would make a precontest Dorian look like a mess. Here he is next to a contest-ready Dorian. Now imagine how smooth and unrefined Dorian would look at 3 weeks out

[delta9mda]

Kev Horton said the best Yates was a few weeks before the Olympia. Kev would know. just saying. Dorian always overdieted a tad to come in hardest and most shredded, losing a touch of size. no big deal, he always won.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol, is that all you got? 01 ASC Ronnie would make a precontest Dorian look like a mess. Here he is next to a contest-ready Dorian. Now imagine how smooth and unrefined Dorian would look at 3 weeks out

Another fantasy comparison

Peter McGough, FLEX, 2004:

  "No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and conditioned as the man who won six Sandows."


While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian.

Reality Neo

[NarcissisticDeity]

We'll even use your oversharpened image of Ronnie 2001 you love so much and he doesn't touch Dorian

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie only weighed 250 lbs in 96 and already matched Dorian in size. Imagine how much bigger his 03 version would look next to Dorian

[King Shizzo]

Jesus Christ people!  It's an all-time tie.  How about that?    Both were champions, it just comes down to who you like better.  People can argue all they want, but this is a subjective sport.  Subjective = opinion when the competitors are close.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie only weighed 250 lbs in 96 and already matched Dorian in size. Imagine how much bigger his 03 version would look next to Dorian

He didn't match him for size at all nevermind size AND conditioning even entertaining it were true Neo , so you're fucked either way

and I love how you abandoned 01 because he was getting hosed and now try and say look at 03 Hahahahahahahahaha

What did McGough say about a heavier Ronnie and in-shape Dorian? 

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

But wait is he an ' idiot ' or ' expert ' Neo? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol ' matched him for size ' lol

Ronnie 03 40 extra lbs of shit stuffed into an already compromised frame

[NeoSeminole]

Another fantasy comparison

Peter McGough, FLEX, 2004:

"No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and conditioned as the man who won six Sandows."

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian.

Reality Neo

the same guy you quoted also said 01 ASC Ronnie would beat ANY contest version of Dorian

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

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thanks for playing again, kiddo

[NeoSeminole]

lol ' matched him for size ' lol

Ronnie 03 40 extra lbs of shit stuffed into an already compromised frame

The experts who have seen both men don't even mention Dorian in the same sentence when they talk about size

lmao @ "shit stuffed into a frame" when all the experts praise Ronnie's level of quality mass  

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

"For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime."

John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review

"Coleman may never be an aesthete's dream but when it comes to mass, he has taken the sport on to another level."

http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm

"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity."

Samir Bannout – An Interview with the Lion of Lebanon (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"I saw Ronnie Coleman about three years ago. I had a prince named Prince Yasab Al Trarndy and he came out here to see the show and we went out to Vegas together. We went up to Ronnie's room and Ronnie posed for us and I will tell you I have never seen anything like it in my life in terms of muscle mass and quality."

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/samir_bannout_interview2.htm

[NarcissisticDeity]

the same guy you quoted also said 01 ASC Ronnie would beat ANY contest version of Dorian

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

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thanks for playing again, kiddo

And? Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in conditioning and you keep typing to the contrary and Dorian still wins , so Neo still loses 

[NeoSeminole]

And? Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in conditioning and you keep typing to the contrary and Dorian still wins , so Neo still loses

who gives a crap about hardness or dryness if we're discussing who would win? I'll give you conditioning if you concede that Peter McGough's assessment that 01 ASC Ronnie would beat any stage version of Dorian is correct

[NarcissisticDeity]

The experts who have seen both men don't even mention Dorian in the same sentence when they talk about size

lmao @ "shit stuffed into a frame" when all the experts praise Ronnie's level of quality mass  

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

"For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime."

John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review

"Coleman may never be an aesthete's dream but when it comes to mass, he has taken the sport on to another level."

http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm

"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity."

Samir Bannout – An Interview with the Lion of Lebanon (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"I saw Ronnie Coleman about three years ago. I had a prince named Prince Yasab Al Trarndy and he came out here to see the show and we went out to Vegas together. We went up to Ronnie's room and Ronnie posed for us and I will tell you I have never seen anything like it in my life in terms of muscle mass and quality."

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/samir_bannout_interview2.htm

You'll get NO argument from me that Ronnie was bigger than Dorian and Dorian never had a problem beating bigger softer guys , ask Nasser , Dillett , Lou , and others 

[NeoSeminole]

You'll get NO argument from me that Ronnie was bigger than Dorian and Dorian never had a problem beating bigger softer guys , ask Nasser , Dillett , Lou , and others

you'll get no argument from me that muscular bulk isn't the only judging criteria. I merely posted those quotes to refute your claim that 03 Ronnie wouldn't destroy Dorian in size

[NarcissisticDeity]

who gives a crap about hardness or dryness? I'll give you conditioning if you concede that Peter McGough's assessment about 01 ASC Ronnie beating any stage version of Dorian is correct

LMFAO at I'll give you conditioning your stupidity knows no bounds , pssstttttt let me let you in on a little secret Neo , I already have conditioning 

McGough has an opinion that the only version that would beat Ronnie is Dorian precontest , not a fact kid an opinion , Dorian 1993/1995 Olympia would beat Ronnie 2001 IN MY OPINION and I've made an ironclad argument why

[NarcissisticDeity]

you'll get no argument from me that muscular bulk isn't the only judging criteria. I merely posted those quotes to refute your claim that 03 Ronnie wouldn't destroy Dorian in size

Where did I say he would?  making things up?

Ronnie much bigger than Dorian on 03 and? again Dorian routinely beat heavier softer guys nothing new

[NeoSeminole]

LMFAO at I'll give you conditioning your stupidity knows no bounds , pssstttttt let me let you in on a little secret Neo , I already have conditioning

McGough has an opinion that the only version that would beat Ronnie is Dorian precontest , not a fact kid an opinion , Dorian 1993/1995 Olympia would beat Ronnie 2001 IN MY OPINION and I've made an ironclad argument why

I already refuted your argument using visual evidence, the IFBB criteria, and testimony from experts who saw both men at their prime. It's pretty sad when an anonymous keyboard warrior who has never seen these guys in person thinks he knows more than the photographers, bodybuilders, and writers who attend shows and have more knowledge and insight than him.

[King Shizzo]

LMFAO at I'll give you conditioning your stupidity knows no bounds , pssstttttt let me let you in on a little secret Neo , I already have conditioning 

McGough has an opinion that the only version that would beat Ronnie is Dorian precontest , not a fact kid an opinion , Dorian 1993/1995 Olympia would beat Ronnie 2001 IN MY OPINION and I've made an ironclad argument why

Key word people: Opinions.  Who cares what McGough thinks?  Do you really think that old schmoe knows more then some of us here?

[NeoSeminole]

Key word people: Opinions.  Who cares what McGough thinks?  Do you really think that old schmoe knows more then some of us here?

Seeing as how Peter loves to throw around the word "hardness" when he talks about Dorian and saying how no other bodybuilder has ever been "harder," he probably knows their physiques better than you or I

[NarcissisticDeity]

I already refuted your argument using visual evidence, the IFBB criteria, and testimony from experts who saw both men at their prime. It's pretty sad when an anonymous keyboard warrior who has never seen these guys in person thinks he knows more than the photographers, bodybuilders, and writers who attend shows and have more knowledge and insight than him.

Great job Neo sure you believe that , that's why you're in here trying to quote ' give conditioning to me ' LMFAO  kid didn't know the IFBB judging criteria until I posted it  claimed the experts are ' idiots ' when they contradict his claims


Look Neo I'm like you I now have popular opinion as well 

[King Shizzo]

Seeing as how Peter loves to throw around the word "hardness" when he talks about Dorian and saying how no other bodybuilder has ever been "harder," he probably knows their physiques better than you or I

Touche 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Seeing as how Peter loves to throw around the word "hardness" when he talks about Dorian and saying how no other bodybuilder has ever been "harder," he probably knows their physiques better than you or I

You know Ronnie quite well Neo