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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2012, 02:46:32 PM »
He shouldn't be in a dead heat, he should be ahead.  Being in a dead heat shows he's a weak candidate versus a bad president.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2012, 02:49:41 PM »
He shouldn't be in a dead heat, he should be ahead.  Being in a dead heat shows he's a weak candidate versus a bad president.

Not really.  The power of the incumbency and endless resources will almost always keep the incumbent in the race.  The media love/protection helps too. 

It has only been a two man race for a few weeks. 

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2012, 03:19:09 PM »
 :).  Most polling is registered voters now.  Once they switch to likely voters in september romney will start pulling ahead.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2012, 03:27:32 PM »
Because the media and gaybama used all their lines of attack on Romney already and they all flopped.   As the economy gets worse and Obama sticks w his socialism and communism, his flailing in the wind at Romney won't mean shit. 

It's a referendum on Obama not Romney. 
why is romney no longer leading in nat'l polls, when he was LAST WEEK?

Why has he declined this week?

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2012, 03:52:50 PM »
 :). How has he declined?  Ras and gallup have been pretty consistent overall.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2012, 04:00:00 PM »
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

RCP has obama up, and the trend is pretty clearly not for romney.   I know we all agree RCP is the most reliable collection of polls, right?

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2012, 04:01:14 PM »
I don't see how anyone can think this is a good sign when Romney is essentially tied with OB.   

I think what's happening here on this board is: "Tool Time". It's almost juvenile with some posters.

But we will see.  Camp Romney has their work cut for them. 

Where was Kerry at this point in 2004?

I just don't see this as good news.

It's as I said earlier. In those ties, there are a bunch of undecided voters. History has shown, time and again, that nearly all those undecided go AGAINST THE INCUMBENT (i.e. Obama).

Romney just clinched a couple of weeks ago. With Team Obama, repeatedly shooting itself in the foot, couple with this most embarrassing loss for the left in Wisconsin, Romney is in GREAT SHAPE.

Wisconsin and Michigan, two states (especially the latter) that NOBODY though a Republican had a chance in hell of winning, are now UP FOR GRABS!! If you're an incumbent Democrat president, that is downright DREADFUL!!

And Oregon appears to be heading in the toss-up category as well.

The brilliant Messiah guy who killed Bin Laden is now neck-and-neck (or losing) to the survivor of "the worst GOP field in history"......That AIN'T GOOD NEWS for Team "Yes-We-Can", no matter how you slice it.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2012, 04:02:52 PM »
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

RCP has obama up, and the trend is pretty clearly not for romney.   I know we all agree RCP is the most reliable collection of polls, right?

There is no trend for Obama. Wisconsin and Michigan just got moved from "Leaning Obama" to "Toss up".

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2012, 04:05:27 PM »
 :). Rcp average does not mean anything since they include a lot of crap polls and outliers. 

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2012, 04:07:59 PM »
:). Rcp average does not mean anything since they include a lot of crap polls and outliers.  

You have to look at polls with "registered voters" (RV) vs. "likely voters" (LV), as the latter tend to be more accurate

The RCP average had Walker up by 6.7. He won by 7 points.


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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2012, 06:36:05 PM »
It's as I said earlier. In those ties, there are a bunch of undecided voters. History has shown, time and again, that nearly all those undecided go AGAINST THE INCUMBENT (i.e. Obama).

Romney just clinched a couple of weeks ago. With Team Obama, repeatedly shooting itself in the foot, couple with this most embarrassing loss for the left in Wisconsin, Romney is in GREAT SHAPE.

Wisconsin and Michigan, two states (especially the latter) that NOBODY though a Republican had a chance in hell of winning, are now UP FOR GRABS!! If you're an incumbent Democrat president, that is downright DREADFUL!!

And Oregon appears to be heading in the toss-up category as well.

The brilliant Messiah guy who killed Bin Laden is now neck-and-neck (or losing) to the survivor of "the worst GOP field in history"......That AIN'T GOOD NEWS for Team "Yes-We-Can", no matter how you slice it.

I hear your points, but again, as bad as OB is, as poor of a leader he's been AND the economy i think Romney should be legitimately ahead.  AND....  don't under estimate OB's ability to campaign.  He pretty much stole it from Hillary.  I wonder how Reagan was fairing at this point versus Carter. 
Still lots of time left though.  things can really change.


Its sucks any way, because again, most will be voting against someone not for someone.




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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2012, 07:49:07 PM »
I hear your points, but again, as bad as OB is, as poor of a leader he's been AND the economy i think Romney should be legitimately ahead.  AND....  don't under estimate OB's ability to campaign.  He pretty much stole it from Hillary.  I wonder how Reagan was fairing at this point versus Carter. 
Still lots of time left though.  things can really change.


Its sucks any way, because again, most will be voting against someone not for someone.





I hear your point, too. But, this ain't 2008. Obama now has a RECORD. And, there is a deliberate effort by "alternative" media to dig up this guy's past and show his true colors. The mainstream media won't be able to cover for him (at least, not as much) this time. We've seen incumbents with better record than this get BEAT DOWN on election day. I'd go out on a limb and say NO Democrat, past or present, would want to start a re-election campaign with a record like that of Obama.

There's a reason he's on this blitz of a fundraiser tour. The dollars ain't coming in the coffer, as scheduled (hence his gay-groveling and Hollywood schmoozing) Romney just outraised him in May.

He's lost the white working-class vote, especially with his cowardly no-show in Wisconsin. Even the union bosses are FUMING, wondering why they should go to bat for a guy, who left them high and dry, during the biggest political showdown of their lives.

Romney's doing just fine. If for no other reason, he's abiding by the saying that you don't kill your opponent when he's intent on committing suicide.

BTW, Reagan was behind Carter, around this time in 1980.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2012, 10:59:16 PM »
I dont think Reagan ever went ahead of Carter until after thier debate in October.
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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2012, 11:04:37 PM »
Where was Clinton in relation to Bush Sr.?  Seems like that would be a better comparison.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2012, 11:41:26 PM »
Where was Clinton in relation to Bush Sr.?  Seems like that would be a better comparison.

perot took 18% of that vote.  much of it conservative vote too.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2012, 12:33:51 AM »
Perot's support largely came from independents. 

But the issue is polling in June between incumbent and challenger.  In June 92, with Bush getting high foreign policy ratings but with a struggling economy, the polling was: 

Bush - 32
Perot - 30
Clinton - 24

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/23/us/1992-campaign-poll-bush-clinton-sag-survey-perot-s-negative-rating-doubles.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

If history is a guide, Obama is in serious trouble.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2012, 05:22:12 AM »
Perot's support largely came from independents. 

But the issue is polling in June between incumbent and challenger.  In June 92, with Bush getting high foreign policy ratings but with a struggling economy, the polling was: 

Bush - 32
Perot - 30
Clinton - 24

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/23/us/1992-campaign-poll-bush-clinton-sag-survey-perot-s-negative-rating-doubles.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

If history is a guide, Obama is in serious trouble.







Not really....Romney is pretty much like John Kerry at this point....he's not well liked and lots of people who voted Republican are not pleased with him due to him spending his way to a win along with passing liberal laws when he was governer making him a flip flopper.  Santorum and Gingrich aren't helping him much which makes it even more difficult to mobilize the base.


If Romney is going to have a chance to win, he really has to go on the offensive and pull no punches.  He needs to beat Obama down on the campaign trail for everything he's worth and start getting the GOP base angry and pissed off to fight for him like Darrell Issa or Santorum.  He's got to get some of that "Clubber Lane" running through his veins. 
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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2012, 09:34:28 AM »
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

RCP has obama up, and the trend is pretty clearly not for romney.  I know we all agree RCP is the most reliable collection of polls, right?

Are you kidding?  Run a trend line on that graph and see what happens.  Have you ever analyzed data plots before?  Don't you have to do that at some point in school?  I can think of a few high school classes that covered it, and I can't imagine you can get an MBA without a class in statistics? 
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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2012, 09:44:44 AM »
Are you kidding?  Run a trend line on that graph and see what happens.  Have you ever analyzed data plots before?  Don't you have to do that at some point in school?  I can think of a few high school classes that covered it, and I can't imagine you can get an MBA without a class in statistics? 
Concensus is he got his MBA from a crackerjack box.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2012, 09:59:42 AM »
Perot's support largely came from independents. 

But the issue is polling in June between incumbent and challenger.  In June 92, with Bush getting high foreign policy ratings but with a struggling economy, the polling was: 

Bush - 32
Perot - 30
Clinton - 24

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/23/us/1992-campaign-poll-bush-clinton-sag-survey-perot-s-negative-rating-doubles.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

If history is a guide, Obama is in serious trouble.

I can recall Perot looking very strong there for a while in the early part of the campaign. What was it that caused him to drop so much?

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2012, 03:31:40 PM »


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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2012, 04:11:54 PM »

Not really....Romney is pretty much like John Kerry at this point....he's not well liked and lots of people who voted Republican are not pleased with him due to him spending his way to a win along with passing liberal laws when he was governer making him a flip flopper.  Santorum and Gingrich aren't helping him much which makes it even more difficult to mobilize the base.


If Romney is going to have a chance to win, he really has to go on the offensive and pull no punches.  He needs to beat Obama down on the campaign trail for everything he's worth and start getting the GOP base angry and pissed off to fight for him like Darrell Issa or Santorum.  He's got to get some of that "Clubber Lane" running through his veins. 

Romney is not like Kerry.  Kerry was a treasonous db who married well.  Romney is a flip flopper, but least he made his own money.  More executive experience than Kerry, more private sector experience, better debater, and a better fundraiser.

Not sure what Santorum or Gingrich need to do other than endorse him, which they've already done.  Neither one will appeal to independents or crossover Democrats, which are groups Romney needs to win.

He's off to a great start.  He'll do much better than McCain against a much weaker Obama.

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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2012, 04:55:29 PM »
Romney is not like Kerry.  Kerry was a treasonous db who married well.  Romney is a flip flopper, but least he made his own money.  More executive experience than Kerry, more private sector experience, better debater, and a better fundraiser.

Not sure what Santorum or Gingrich need to do other than endorse him, which they've already done.  Neither one will appeal to independents or crossover Democrats, which are groups Romney needs to win.

He's off to a great start.  He'll do much better than McCain against a much weaker Obama.


Treasonous.....he served on a fucking swiftboat in Vietnam and has 2 Silver Star for protecting his men.  People can criticize his efforts against the war, but he was there and in the thick of shit.  He had one dangerous ass job...I would not wish it upon anyone.  He served his country so he had every right to oppose the war if he wanted to


My statement was to his his stiff as a board personality which is the same as Kerry along with his hesitance to attack Obama.  Needs to take some pointers from Palin or Issa....they know how to go after someone
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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2012, 05:55:13 PM »
Romney is not like Kerry.  Kerry was a treasonous db who married well.  Romney is a flip flopper, but least he made his own money.  More executive experience than Kerry, more private sector experience, better debater, and a better fundraiser.

Not sure what Santorum or Gingrich need to do other than endorse him, which they've already done.  Neither one will appeal to independents or crossover Democrats, which are groups Romney needs to win.

He's off to a great start.  He'll do much better than McCain against a much weaker Obama.
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Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2012, 06:01:33 PM »
Where do you get off calling war veterans traitors? Are you a war veteran?

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