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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #75 on: June 15, 2012, 08:09:40 PM »

Its inhumane and it will still cost money....plus it makes international relations difficult....we still do business with Mexico

Start enforcing existing laws on all levels. "They" will leave by themselves. Then go from there.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #76 on: June 15, 2012, 08:14:42 PM »

Its inhumane and it will still cost money....plus it makes international relations difficult....we still do business with Mexico
youre about as knowledgable about business as you are about airsoft guns...


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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2012, 08:21:55 PM »
Start enforcing existing laws on all levels. "They" will leave by themselves. Then go from there.


Congress has ignored it for years and money is flowing down the drain.....what Obama did is going to stop a lot of the bleeding and bring tax money into the economy.  Otherwise, they'll still be illegals here but they won't be paying taxes.
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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #78 on: June 15, 2012, 08:21:55 PM »

Its inhumane and it will still cost money....plus it makes international relations difficult....we still do business with Mexico
inhumane is how they usually get here and they do that to themselves!  If you think being stuck on a bus for a couple hours is inhumane, you're nuts! lol

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #79 on: June 15, 2012, 08:28:01 PM »

Congress has ignored it for years and money is flowing down the drain.....what Obama did is going to stop a lot of the bleeding and bring tax money into the economy.  Otherwise, they'll still be illegals here but they won't be paying taxes.
how exactly is it going to bring taxes into the economy?

I thought the liberal argument was they are already paying taxes?

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #80 on: June 15, 2012, 09:42:13 PM »
I don't see why not.  It's a better trip than the one they took here and they got all kinds of shit they were not entitled to while here.  And a bus ride is not treating them like cargo.  ::)

There's a huge "machine" that's at work and that machine runs on money. They need to be detained - this means money for a detention facility and people to run it. They need to be screened and checked against criminal databases - this means equipment to run the checks on and people to run the equipment. They need to be housed until a sufficient number of them are present to load into the cargo container (remember, full containers result in cost savings!) - this means buildings and facilities. They need to be fed while housed - this means more buildings, more facilities, more people and costs for food. This doesn't even involve the costs associated with the judicial side of the system.

So what would you cut out while they await deportation? Detaining them and checking against criminal databases? Housing them in secure facilities and feeding them while awaiting deportation? About the only cost savings that could be had is not providing any sort of medical care, which unfortunately, the Government cannot easily do because once you are in the custody of the Government, the Government is obligated by law, to provide healthcare for the duration of the incarceration.

It's easy to just say "Yeah, just throw them on a bus." But then again, it's always easy when you only have to look at things from a mile up and can ignore the "details".

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #81 on: June 15, 2012, 09:48:31 PM »
how exactly is it going to bring taxes into the economy?

I thought the liberal argument was they are already paying taxes?

I remember reading an article a while ago about a particular "brand" of identity theft where your social security number is sold to an illegal immigrant who then gets hired for a job under his name, with your SSN. They then pay the normal taxes that are normally taken out of payroll. If that's true (and I don't know how true it is, or how big of a problem this is) then some of them certainly are paying some taxes. Well, at least that's something I guess.

I'm not a huge proponent of government-imposed bureaucracy on businesses, but some sort of required real-time electronic verification of SSN/name pairs with the Social Security Administration wouldn't be a bad idea. I believe the e-verify system does something similar, although I'm not familiar with the details of the program or whether it's a requirement that businesses implement it.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #82 on: June 15, 2012, 09:58:34 PM »
There's a huge "machine" that's at work and that machine runs on money. They need to be detained - this means money for a detention facility and people to run it. They need to be screened and checked against criminal databases - this means equipment to run the checks on and people to run the equipment. They need to be housed until a sufficient number of them are present to load into the cargo container (remember, full containers result in cost savings!) - this means buildings and facilities. They need to be fed while housed - this means more buildings, more facilities, more people and costs for food. This doesn't even involve the costs associated with the judicial side of the system.

So what would you cut out while they await deportation? Detaining them and checking against criminal databases? Housing them in secure facilities and feeding them while awaiting deportation? About the only cost savings that could be had is not providing any sort of medical care, which unfortunately, the Government cannot easily do because once you are in the custody of the Government, the Government is obligated by law, to provide healthcare for the duration of the incarceration.

It's easy to just say "Yeah, just throw them on a bus." But then again, it's always easy when you only have to look at things from a mile up and can ignore the "details".
I guess you missed the part where I said I know there is more to it than just the bus ride.  Run a criminal check, give them a peanut butter sandwich and put them on the bus.  That's probably all they use to do back in the day.  We didn't use to do all this shit before, is it really that important we waste that much money on sending someone back who came here illegally? ::)

if that's true, there should be an investigation into why a bus ride to the border costs 27,000.  Yea I know there is more to it than that but it shouldn't be that fucking much!

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #83 on: June 15, 2012, 10:11:00 PM »
I guess you missed the part where I said I know there is more to it than just the bus ride.

No, I didn't; I was trying to illustrate a slightly different point: that the figure of $27,000 per deportation is misleading. The important and useful metric - which we do not know and I don't recall ever seeing published - is the marginal cost.


Run a criminal check, give them a peanut butter sandwich and put them on the bus.

There's a judicial process that also needs to execute; can't just put'em on a bus. I can understand that you may not think it necessary but everyone is entitled to due process. I will say that, based on the facts available to me, I think the amount of process granted is ridiculous and completely unnecessary in the vast majority of cases. Nothing more than a quick hearing should be necessary.


That's probably all they use to do back in the day.  We didn't use to do all this shit before, is it really that important we waste that much money on sending someone back who came here illegally? ::)

I hardly think that our metric for how we do things should be "shiiiiit, what did they do back in the day?" I mean, we used to not have indoor plumbing and anabolic steroids either...

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #84 on: June 15, 2012, 10:19:47 PM »
No, I didn't; I was trying to illustrate a slightly different point: that the figure of $27,000 per deportation is misleading. The important and useful metric - which we do not know and I don't recall ever seeing published - is the marginal cost.


There's a judicial process that also needs to execute; can't just put'em on a bus. I can understand that you may not think it necessary but everyone is entitled to due process. I will say that, based on the facts available to me, I think the amount of process granted is ridiculous and completely unnecessary in the vast majority of cases. Nothing more than a quick hearing should be necessary.


I hardly think that our metric for how we do things should be "shiiiiit, what did they do back in the day?" I mean, we used to not have indoor plumbing and anabolic steroids either...
uh, it's pretty recent that we started doing a lot of this crap.  It's not like we're talking about 1850 lol... "I think the amount of process granted is ridiculous" you said... well that was my point.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #85 on: June 15, 2012, 10:25:17 PM »
how many people does the TSA process through airport security everyday?

Probably several million, shouldn't take much more than what those assholes are already trained in.


You could rent out air conditioned warehouses around Texas (government already has them), as holding facilities.  Set up temporary processing, bring in local law enforcement, and national guard, red cross and volunteers.

This problem could be taken care of in a month.

The savings would be immense.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #86 on: June 15, 2012, 10:56:00 PM »
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Obama on DREAM Act: Can't "just change the laws unilaterally" Transcript (Flashback Sept. 28, 2011)
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2012 12:03

Obama on the DREAM Act: "I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there's been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It's just not true."

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I would ask how he's going to spin this, but I doubt the MSM calls him on it.

Just an outrageous abuse of power.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #87 on: June 15, 2012, 11:51:42 PM »
Start enforcing existing laws on all levels. "They" will leave by themselves. Then go from there.

good point............

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #88 on: June 16, 2012, 12:12:29 AM »
LOL, wait for the massive flood of young mexicans coming over when they hear about this.  I'm sure they're all calling their familes in Mexico now saying, "hurry hurry, Obama said you can stay legally"

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #89 on: June 16, 2012, 04:04:11 AM »
Obama to average taxpayer - drop dead.   

Is he going to deport the parents who are also illegal?

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2012, 04:23:19 AM »
Executive Overreach
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June 15, 2012 8:26 P.M. Comments26
President Obama’s claim that he can refuse to deport 800,000 aliens here in the country illegally illustrates the unprecedented stretching of the Constitution and the rule of law. He is laying claim to presidential power that goes even beyond that claimed by the Bush administration, in which I served. There is a world of difference in refusing to enforce laws that violate the Constitution (Bush) and refusing to enforce laws because of disagreements over policy (Obama).

Under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution, the president has the duty to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” This provision was included to make sure that the president could not simply choose, as the British King had, to cancel legislation simply because he disagreed with it. President Obama cannot refuse to carry out a congressional statute simply because he thinks it advances the wrong policy. To do so violates the very core of his constitutional duties.

There are two exceptions, neither of which applies here. The first is that “the Laws” includes the Constitution. The president can and should refuse to execute congressional statutes that violate the Constitution, because the Constitution is the highest form of law. We in the Bush administration argued that the president could refuse to execute laws that infringed on the executive’s constitutional powers, particularly when it came to national security — otherwise, a Congress that had a different view of foreign policy could order the military to refuse to carry out the president’s orders as Commander-in-Chief, for example. When presidents such as Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, and FDR said that they would not enforce a law, they did so when the law violated their executive powers under the Constitution or the individual rights of citizens.

The president’s right to refuse to enforce unconstitutional legislation, of course, does not apply here. No one can claim with a straight face that the immigration laws here violate the Constitution.

The second exception is prosecutorial discretion, which is the idea that because of limited resources the executive cannot pursue every violation of federal law. The Justice Department must choose priorities and prosecute cases that are the most important, have the greatest impact, deter the most, and so on. But prosecutorial discretion is not being used in good faith here: A president cannot claim discretion honestly to say that he will not enforce an entire law — especially where, as here, the executive branch is enforcing the rest of immigration law.

Imagine the precedent this claim would create. President Romney could lower tax rates simply by saying he will not use enforcement resources to prosecute anyone who refuses to pay capital-gains tax. He could repeal Obamacare simply by refusing to fine or prosecute anyone who violates it.

So what we have here is a president who is refusing to carry out federal law simply because he disagrees with Congress’s policy choices. That is an exercise of executive power that even the most stalwart defenders of an energetic executive — not to mention the Framers — cannot support.

 
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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2012, 06:51:53 AM »




LAST YEAR HE SAID HE COULD NOT DO THIS! 

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2012, 07:43:01 AM »
Obama’s overreach
Last Updated: 10:39 PM, June 15, 2012






President Obama has a DREAM: to ignore Congress if it suits his needs.

In a Rose Garden speech yesterday, the president announced he was suspending the deportation of some young illegal aliens and allowing others to apply for green cards.

This essentially puts into effect the so-called DREAM Act — a highly controversial measure that he couldn’t get through the Democrat-dominated Congress two years ago.

To be fair, there is a lot to be said on behalf of the merits of the new policy — more on which below.

First, however, it must be noted that:

* What the president did yesterday was clearly meant to boost his increasingly shaky re-election prospects. It may well have been the most nakedly political act of his incumbency — and was underscored by four combative slaps at the Republicans during his brief remarks.

* It demonstrated contempt for the legislative process; Obama had declined to implement such a policy several times in the past, insisting that only Congress had the power to do so.

* It underscored yet again his inability to bring Congress to his side on a controversial issue — or, more likely, demonstrated his unwillingness even to try.

Indeed, the fact that there is significant merit to the new policy — that is, it shouldn’t be a tough case to make — simply emphasizes his ineffectiveness.

Some 800,000 young people — most brought illegally to America as children by their parents — are affected.

Such kids are in a tough spot as adults seeking to attend college or work — and anyone who thinks there ever will be a political consensus to round them up en masse and expel them is hallucinating.

But that doesn’t address the constitutional issues — as Obama once pretended to understand.

In March of last year, he was asked at a Univision-sponsored town hall, “With an executive order, could you be able to stop deportations of students?”

After noting the separation-of-powers issues, Obama said that there are many immigration laws on the books and “that for me to simply, through executive order, ignore [them] would not conform with my appropriate role as president.”

A month later, as Democrats urged more direct action, “a senior White House official” told The New York Times: “At the end of the day, the president cannot fix administratively what is broken in the immigration system.’’

That was then. This is now.

“The [DREAM Act] bill hasn’t really changed; the need hasn’t changed,” the president said yesterday. “It’s still the right thing to do. The only thing that has changed, apparently, was the politics.”

Precisely.

But such pandering and disrespect for process comes with a price.

As Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) — who is introducing his own version of the DREAM Act — observed: “By . . . ignoring the Constitution and going around Congress, this short-term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long-term one.”

Not that Obama seems to care.



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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2012, 07:52:24 AM »
Obama’s policy strategy: Ignore laws
By: Steve Friess
June 16, 2012 07:02 AM EDT

 
President Obama returned Friday to a trusted tactic — satisfying his political allies by not doing something.

Conservatives were angry when Janet Napolitano announced the administration would stop deporting certain undocumented immigrants but they should have seen it coming. On issue after issue – gay rights, drug enforcement, Internet gambling, school achievement standards – the administration has chosen to achieve its goals by a method best described as passive-aggressive.

Rather than pushing new laws through a divided Congress to enact his agenda, Obama is relying on federal agencies to ignore, or at least not defend, laws that some of his important supporters –like Hispanic voters and the gay community — don’t like.

“If the president says we’re not going to enforce the law, there’s really nothing anyone can do about it,” University of Pennsylvania constitutional law professor Kermit Roosevelt said. “It’s clearly a political calculation.”

A White House official said the strategy is the result of a stalemate in Washington.

“We we work to achieve our policy goals in the most effective and appropriate way possible,” the official said. “Often times Congress has blocked efforts (ie [No Child Left Behind] and DREAM) and we look to pursue other appropriate means of achieving our policy goals. Sometimes this makes for less than ideal policy situations - such as the action we took on immigration - but the president isn’t going to be stonewalled by politics, he will pursue whatever means available to do business on behalf of American people.”

For Obama – and future presidents should Washington remain polarized to the point of perpetual inaction —it may be the only way to fulfill a range of campaign promises.

As of Friday, the federal government won’t deport undocumented immigrants under age 30 who came to the United States as children. It is a temporary, de facto implementation of a part of the stalled DREAM Act.

The result: a loud message to Hispanic voters to remember Obama in November.

On gay rights, too, the administration has asked agencies to do less. In February 2011 the Justice Department announced it would not defend DOMA against court challenges — an unusual step for the agency, which typically defends legal challenges to laws on the books. But the 1996 law, which bars the government from recognizing same-sex marriage, appears headed to the U.S. Supreme Court via either the 9th or 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals.

In August, Obama’s DHS announced it would no longer deport the non-citizen spouses of gay Americans — a direct contradiction to DOMA as well.

The tactic has its start in the earliest days of the administration. In October 2009, the DOJ announced it would not prosecute medical marijuana users or suppliers in states where it’s legal, despite the state laws contradicting federal law. Federal law generally trumps state law in such matters.


Last September, the DOJ also announced a change of legal interpretation that effectively legalized Internet gambling. Two statutes seem to ban it – the Wire Act of 1961, which bars betting across state lines using the telecommunications devices, and the 2006 Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, which bans American banks from processing payments to online casinos.

On education, too, Obama has made policy by not enforcing the law. By fiat, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan granted waivers to 10 states freeing them from the strict requirements of the 2002 No Child Left Behind Act. In doing so, the president removed the mechanism that would force certain school standards to be improved.

“The president is using executive power to do things Congress has refused to do, and that does fit a disturbing pattern of expansion of executive power under President Obama,” said Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law scholar at George Washington University Law School known for his support of progressive causes as well as his ire at Obama for not prosecuting Bush officials in connection with alleged torture of terror suspects.

“In many ways, President Obama has fulfilled the dream of an imperial presidency that Richard Nixon strived for. On everything from (the Defense of Marriage Act) to the gaming laws, this is a president who is now functioning as a super legislator. He is effectively negating parts of the criminal code because he disagrees with them. That does go beyond the pale.”

That Nixon analogy may be apt, John Eastman, a constitutional law professor known for his support of conservative causes at Chapman University School of Law in Orange, Calif said. He cited Nixon’s abuse of the traditional presidential power of not spending, or impounding, allocated funds as an earlier example of a president opting not to carry out the will of Congress.


Yet other scholars cited a more recent example: President George W. Bush’s signing statements. The Republican came under fire from Democrats for his frequent decision to attach statements to bills he signed that indicated he found various provisions unconstitutional and, thus, would not enforce or follow them.

“There’s a difference between refusing to enforce a statute (as Obama is doing) and refusing to recognize a statute that binds the executive,” Roosevelt said. “The latter is what the Bush Administration used to do. When Bush issued signing statements that he would construe laws so as not to infringe on his Commander in Chief power, he was saying that he reserved the right to disregard them if he thought it was necessary to protect the country, since that’s what the secret memos said the Commander in Chief power required. … I view that as more extreme.”

Roosevelt, like Eastman and Turley, worries that the Obama approach will give a future president the license “to decide we’re not going to prosecute insider trading or enforce EPA regulations. They could do that.”

And while giddy liberals on Friday marveled at Obama’s brazen craftiness, legal experts say supporters might feel a lot differently if the tactic becomes an enduring precedent.

“Say a Republican were to follow this strategy after regaining the White House in January of 2013 and the Supreme Court upholds the health care bill and Romney can’t repeal it because the Democrats in the Senate filibuster it, he could basically repeal it through non-enforcement,” said Eastman.

They theoretically could but won’t, said former Obama legal adviser Laurence Tribe, a Harvard Law School constitutional professor and prominent liberal scholar.

“It’s always possible to conjure hypotheticals that test the outer boundaries of the broad principle that the president is generally obligated to enforce laws duly enacted by Congress but has a paramount duty to obey the Constitution,” Tribe wrote POLITICO in an e-mail. “Obviously the rule of law and the importance of orderly and stable governance in a system that relies principally on the judicial branch to ‘say what the law is’ precludes promiscuous presidential exercise of the prerogative of non-compliance. Yet it is also surely true that presidents cannot blindly follow Congressional directives unless and until a court tells them to stop! What if a Congress were to tell the president to shoot all self-proclaimed Mormons on sight, the way the governor of Missouri once did in the 19 th century? Surely no president with a constitutional conscience could comply with such a directive.”
 
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FUBO!  BTW - every business person I know is intentionally holding back spending anything until obama is gone as a big F U to obama.

   

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2012, 07:54:15 AM »
Are you outraged?

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« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2012, 07:55:57 AM »
Are you outraged?



"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency.

It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

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« Reply #96 on: June 16, 2012, 08:02:39 AM »
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency.

It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

Oh, wait, that was a typo. What I meant to write was this:

Are you never not outraged?
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« Reply #97 on: June 16, 2012, 08:05:29 AM »
Oh, wait, that was a typo. What I meant to write was this:

Are you never not outraged?


Of course you are perfectly ok w this since obama is your gay black messianic savior. 

You leftist drones have a messianic cult worship of this fraud.   

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« Reply #98 on: June 16, 2012, 08:09:23 AM »
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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2012, 08:12:33 AM »

Posted on June 15, 2012


Krauthammer: Obama's Immigration Policy Is "Out-And-Out Lawlessness"




"Beyond the pandering, beyond the politics, beyond the process is simple constitutional decency. This is out-and-out lawlessness. You had a clip of the president himself say months ago 'I cannot do this on my own because there are laws on the books.' Well, I have news for the president: The laws remain on the books, they haven't changed," syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said on "FOX News" tonight.
 
"He proposed the DREAM Act of which the executive order is a variation. He proposed a DREAM Act. The Congress said no. The Congress is the one who makes the laws. What the administration does is it administers law. And in fact, what it's pretending to do is to use discretion, that's what the Homeland Security Secretary said," Dr. Krauthammer said.
 
"This is not discretion," he said. "Discretion is when you treat it on a one-by-one basis on the grounds of extenuating circumstances. This is the declaration of a whole new set of criteria, which is essentially resurrecting the legislation that the Congress has said no to."
 
“And I think this is not how you run a constitutional Republic. This ought to be in the hands of Congress, and it is an end-run. What's ironic of course is for eight years, the Democrats have been screaming about the imperial presidency with the Bush administration, the nonsense about the unitary executive. This is out-and-out lawlessness. This is not how you govern. And I think that's the first issue that should be on the table," Krauthammer concluded.