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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #125 on: June 28, 2012, 02:14:12 PM »
SCOTUS' Decision Hands Feds Unlimited Power to Force You to Buy What They Want You to Buy
 Natural News.com ^ | June 28, 2012 | Mike Adams






Supreme Court's Obamacare decision hands federal government unlimited power to force you to spend 100% of your paycheck on things you don't even want by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

Regardless of whether you agree with the fundamentals of Obamacare, the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court has now ruled the federal government has the power to tax Americans into mandatory purchases of private industry products means an end to economic freedom in America. Why? Because it hands the federal government the power to force the American people to buy anything the government wants or face tax penalties for refusing to do so. It is the equivalent of announcing a federal monopoly over all private purchasing decisions.

"The Affordable Care Act's requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax," wrote Chief Justice John Roberts, in his majority opinion. "Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness."

Thus, the government can force Americans to buy anything it wants by simply characterizing the forced payment as a "tax."

Economic freedom crushed by Supreme Court This article is not an argument so much about Obamacare itself, by the way; it's a red alert about a fundamental loss of economic freedom -- a shifting of private purchasing decisions to Washington D.C. Now, buoyed by the passage of Obamacare, the U.S. government can (and will) create new mandates that, for example, would force Americans to buy all the following:

A new car each year from Detroit, in order to "boost the U.S. auto industry."
• War bonds to "support the war effort."
• A year's supply of vaccines.
• Life insurance from the government's "approved" sources.
• Lawn fertilizer (the "lawn health care mandate").
• Intellectual property such as patented human genes already in your body.

There is no limit to the reach of the Supreme Court's wild misinterpretation of the Commerce Clause, it seems. So now, all Americans can expect to get ready for the federal government to start laying out a long list of products and services we will all be taxed into buying from the crony capitalist buddies of those in power.

Government hands economic monopoly to Big Pharma and the vaccine industry Perhaps the worst side effect is that Obamacare isn't really about health care at all. It's about protecting a Big Pharma monopoly over medicine; forcing consumers to buy into a system that offers zero coverage for alternative medicine, nutritional therapies, natural remedies or the healing arts.

If Obamacare actually offered consumers a free market choice of where to get services, it would be a lot more balanced and effective. Instead, it forces consumers to buy into a system of monopoly medicine of drugs and surgery that would flat-out collapse if not for the monopolistic protections granted to the industry by the government itself.

If given a free choice, most consumers prefer complementary medicine than straight-up "drugs and surgery" medicine, but complementary medicine isn't covered under Obamacare. The law is really just another corrupt, criminal-minded handout to the drug industry. And now, thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court, you can't even opt out!

Abuse of power by the federal government knows no bounds

That's the real kicker in all this: No more opting out of the private purchasing demands of the federal government! Americans are being pick-pocketed at an alarming rate, and it's only going to get worse now that this power has been unwisely handed to the federal government by a short-sighted Supreme Court.

Because long after Obama is gone, other Presidents -- from any political party -- will abuse this precedent to force Americans into buying any number of products, services, or even intellectual property that we don't want. There is now no limit to what the federal government can force you to buy by calling it a "tax."

Note, carefully, there is NO LIMIT to this "taxing" power. If you bring home a monthly paycheck of, for example, $3,000, the U.S. government can now mandate that you spend $2,999 of that on various products and services that it deems you must have "for your own protection." You no longer control your own take-home pay! The government can force you to spend it on things you don't want or even need!

America, it seems, is starting to sound a whole lot like England under King George. Soon, we'll be living under our own modern Stamp Act from 1765, which eventually led to the American Revolution. Learn your history! As Wikipedia explains: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Act_1765)


The Stamp Act 1765 (short title Duties in American Colonies Act 1765; 5 George III, c. 12) was a direct tax imposed by the British Parliament specifically on the colonies of British America. The act required that many printed materials in the colonies be produced on stamped paper produced in London, carrying an embossed revenue stamp. These printed materials were legal documents, magazines, newspapers and many other types of paper used throughout the colonies. Like previous taxes, the stamp tax had to be paid in valid British currency, not in colonial paper money. The purpose of the tax was to help pay for troops stationed in North America after the British victory in the Seven Years' War. The British government felt that the colonies were the primary beneficiaries of this military presence, and should pay at least a portion of the expense.

The Stamp Act met great resistance in the colonies. The colonies sent no representatives to Parliament, and therefore had no influence over what taxes were raised, how they were levied, or how they would be spent. Many colonists considered it a violation of their rights as Englishmen to be taxed without their consent -- consent that only the colonial legislatures could grant. Colonial assemblies sent petitions and protests. The Stamp Act Congress held in New York City, reflecting the first significant joint colonial response to any British measure, also petitioned Parliament and the King. Local protest groups, led by colonial merchants and landowners, established connections through correspondence that created a loose coalition that extended from New England to Georgia. Protests and demonstrations initiated by the Sons of Liberty often turned violent and destructive as the masses became involved. Very soon all stamp tax distributors were intimidated into resigning their commissions, and the tax was never effectively collected.

Opposition to the Stamp Act was not limited to the colonies. British merchants and manufacturers, whose exports to the colonies were threatened by colonial economic problems exacerbated by the tax, also pressured Parliament. The Act was repealed on March 18, 1766 as a matter of expedience, but Parliament affirmed its power to legislate for the colonies "in all cases whatsoever" by also passing the Declaratory Act. There followed a series of new taxes and regulations, likewise opposed by the colonists.

The episode played a major role in defining the grievances and enabling the organized colonial resistance that led to the American Revolution in 1775.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #126 on: June 28, 2012, 02:16:53 PM »
another example of activist judges legislating from the bench.
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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #127 on: June 28, 2012, 02:18:09 PM »
haha dont hate on me, 33.  this bill is a piece of shit, and roberts' playing ball is just more proof that the leaders are all on the same side.

i just like to argue.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #128 on: June 28, 2012, 02:19:59 PM »

I just posted that in my edit of my previous post:

Yes. Today's decision means that the individual mandate -- which requires nearly all Americans to buy health insurance by 2014 or face a penalty -- remains in place. If you don't purchase health care by 2014, the penalty will be as follows: $285 per family or 1% of income; By 2016, $2,085 per family or 2.5% of income.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/06/28/what-supreme-court-health-care-law-decision-means-you

Nearly $2100 per family in 2016, which is a hike of nearly NINEFOLD, from the penalty in 2014.

Obama said premiums wouldn't go up....THAT was BS!!

He said you could keep your plan, if you like it.....THAT was BS!!!

The middle class wouldn't see their taxes go up "one dime"....THAT was BS!!!

And, please explain why all those Dems (including Pelosi) were asking for waivers from this GARBAGE, if this plan was so great.

Obama lied his backside off; so did the Dems, to pass this garbage.

He just passed the LARGEST tax hike ON THE MIDDLE CLASS, in history, something about which conservatives WARNED for over two years.

if you have insurance then you won't pay a penalty so no tax hike for most people

those who can't get insurance now will be able to get it under this plan so the only ones who will pay the penalty will be those who can afford insurance and choose not to get it and for some reason I suspect those folks, by and large, were'n't planning on voting for Obama in the first place


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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #129 on: June 28, 2012, 02:21:58 PM »
Get ready:

Section 163 of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 would allow the government real-time access to a person's bank records - including direct access to bank accounts for electronic fund transfers



What the heck?   >:(

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #130 on: June 28, 2012, 02:36:10 PM »
James - idiots like blackass, straw, 180, benny, andre - they love this stuff! 

definitely enjoying your meltdown

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #131 on: June 28, 2012, 04:47:56 PM »
I'm not even that torn up on this. With what money are we going to pay for all this shit? Anyone? That's what I thought.  ::)

Perhaps someone with an inkling of economics sense (read: not Straw Man who thinks money can be printed to infinity) care to enlighten me? We're already well on our way to $20 trillion in debt.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #132 on: June 28, 2012, 04:49:04 PM »
I'm not even that torn up on this. With what money are we going to pay for all this shit? Anyone? That's what I thought.  ::)

Perhaps someone with an inkling of economics sense (read: not Straw Man who thinks money can be printed to infinity) care to enlighten me? We're already well on our way to $20 trillion in debt.

don't speak for me and certainly don't make shit up that I didn't say

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #133 on: June 28, 2012, 04:51:52 PM »
don't speak for me and certainly don't make shit up that I didn't say

You didn't argue for trillions more in stimulus money? You pretty much argued that deficits and debt are no problem and that Obama can do it because everyone else has.

Like I said, anyone who isn't a fucking retard have any ideas as to how a country soon-to-be $20+ trillion in debt is going to pay for healthcare? Fact of the matter is that we were already bankrupt and headed for disaster before this. This ruling only solidifies it.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2012, 04:53:10 PM »
All I want to know is if Rush Limbaugh is  going to move to Costa Rica like he said he would.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2012, 04:54:59 PM »
Well this fucking sucks.  More freedom down the drain.

Props to those who called the decision...but I doubt you had in mind Robert's being an activist and selling the country up the fucking river.   :P

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #136 on: June 28, 2012, 04:56:19 PM »
You didn't argue for trillions more in stimulus money? You pretty much argued that deficits and debt are no problem and that Obama can do it because everyone else has.

Like I said, anyone who isn't a fucking retard have any ideas as to how a country soon-to-be $20+ trillion in debt is going to pay for healthcare? Fact of the matter is that we were already bankrupt and headed for disaster before this. This ruling only solidifies it.

again - if you're going to claim I said something then have a quote ready or don't say it

don't rely on your memory and claim I said something

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #137 on: June 28, 2012, 04:56:37 PM »
You didn't argue for trillions more in stimulus money? You pretty much argued that deficits and debt are no problem and that Obama can do it because everyone else has.

Like I said, anyone who isn't a fucking retard have any ideas as to how a country soon-to-be $20+ trillion in debt is going to pay for healthcare? Fact of the matter is that we were already bankrupt and headed for disaster before this. This ruling only solidifies it.



Beg the Chinese?


lol...I got nothing.

At least they can't threaten the states like they were trying to.


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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #138 on: June 28, 2012, 04:57:54 PM »
Well this fucking sucks.  More freedom down the drain.

Props to those who called the decision...but I doubt you had in mind Robert's being an activist and selling the country up the fucking river.   :P

I wouldn't be too torn up over it. This country has no chance of escaping its debt dungeon and this will only hasten the process. Only a matter of time until people like Pelosi are being tarred and feathered in the streets.

again - if you're going to claim I said something then have a quote ready or don't say it

don't rely on your memory and claim I said something

I'm more than confident in my memory. Secondly, I don't give a fuck about what you think. I'm playing the world's smallest violin as I type this post.



Beg the Chinese?


lol...I got nothing.

At least they can't threaten the states like they were trying to.



No. Probably be government jackboots looting everything of value that you own.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #139 on: June 28, 2012, 05:01:22 PM »
I wouldn't be too torn up over it. This country has no chance of escaping its debt dungeon and this will only hasten the process. Only a matter of time until people like Pelosi are being tarred and feathered in the streets.

I'm more than confident in my memory. Secondly, I don't give a fuck about what you think. I'm playing the world's smallest violin as I type this post.


No. Probably be government jackboots looting everything of value that you own.

your memory sucks and you're a liar


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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #140 on: June 28, 2012, 05:05:34 PM »
His memory is right on.  You did argue for a bigger stimulus.


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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #141 on: June 28, 2012, 05:05:54 PM »
your memory sucks and you're a liar



You trying to challenge Simple Jack aka BlackenWhorkMonsVenusCoh ibaEtcEtc for the biggest dipshit on this board?


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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #142 on: June 28, 2012, 05:08:29 PM »
You trying to challenge Simple Jack aka BlackenWhorkMonsVenusCoh ibaEtcEtc for the biggest dipshit on this board?



nope

I'm just calling YOU a LIAR

if you want to post a quote of something I've said that's fine but don't attribute YOUR WORDS to ME

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #143 on: June 28, 2012, 05:29:02 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #144 on: June 28, 2012, 05:51:11 PM »
if you have insurance then you won't pay a penalty so no tax hike for most people



those who can't get insurance now will be able to get it under this plan so the only ones who will pay the penalty will be those who can afford insurance and choose not to get it and for some reason I suspect those folks, by and large, were'n't planning on voting for Obama in the first place



Merely having insurance isn't enough. Obama also LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH about people being able to keep what they have and lowering premiums. Both were BS, not to mention his LYING about not raising taxes on people.

And if you think this isn't going to cost him people who voted for him in 2008, you are smoking more weed than Snoop Dogg. It was those swing voters who helped start the shellacking the Dems took two years ago.

People's premiums are not only going UP, they're going up because they're gradually being forced to pay for mess they don't need nor want.

Even if there are people who can afford but choose not to do so, this is absolute GARBAGE for the government to say that it can force you to buy something or tax you to death until you do. Just wait until Uncle Sam forces you to purchase something you don't want or fine you. Then, we'll see how much you sing the praises of this mess.

What you're doing is simply making excuses, by dismissing the fines as "small" and claiming that possibly being jailed for not paying them wasn't a reality.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #145 on: June 28, 2012, 05:52:40 PM »
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Reminds of me of all the libs, who said they were leaving after Bush got re-elected.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #146 on: June 28, 2012, 06:01:21 PM »
Supreme Court Rewrites ObamaCare; Rules Individual Mandate Is Permissible Tax
The New American ^ | June 28 2012 | Joe Wolverton, II
Posted on June 28, 2012 8:34:54 PM EDT by ScottfromNJ

“Simply put, Congress may tax and spend.” With those historic words, the Supreme Court forced upon the United States a bleak dawn of a brave new world in which the federal government cannot be checked in its march toward totalitarianism.

In a 5-4 decision the Supreme Court upheld the joint venture of the President and Congress to force every American, regardless of ability or desire, to purchase a qualifying health care insurance plan by 2014 or face a tax penalty for failure to comply.

Chief Justice Roberts, writing for the Court, held while the “individual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause,” it is valid as an exercise of the taxing power granted the federal government by the Constitution.

One practical effect of today’s ruling is that by removing the ObamaCare scheme from its safe and secure Commerce Clause mooring, the Supreme Court has rewritten the law and converted the individual mandate into a tax, thus placing it within the authority of Congress to define.

This is judicial activism at its finest. The Supreme Court was so determined to endow the federal government with unlimited power and to toss the notion of enumerated powers onto the scrap heap of history that it was willing to effect a fundamental change to the law as enacted by Congress and the President.

Today, the U.S. Supreme Court not only re-wrote ObamaCare, but it simultaneously united the power of making and interpreting law into their own unelected hands.

As the states have become servants, they may yet regain their proper role as masters. In this there is hope, in fact.

The states, through the exercise of the Tenth Amendment and their natural right to rule as sovereign entities, may stop ObamaCare at the state borders by enacting state statutes nullifying the healthcare law and criminalizing state participation in administering or executing the unconstitutional provisions thereof.








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Fuck you roberts
Fuck you Obama.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #147 on: June 28, 2012, 06:02:39 PM »
I understand the supreme court isn't deciding if this is good legislation, just on its legality, but unfortunately the legislation was upheld, which leaves us with a couple good provisions and a massive amount of rules, regulations, mandates, excessive reporting and bureaucracy that the vast majority of people and politicians have no clue about.  Besides the few provisions that have been publicized, there are so many bad things in this monstrous bill.  This will drive many independent physicians out of practice and increase costs to many businesses.

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #148 on: June 28, 2012, 06:04:33 PM »
http://marklevinshow.com/Article.asp?id=2484259&spid=32364


Great clip.   


Fuck you Roberts and W. 

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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate
« Reply #149 on: June 28, 2012, 06:05:08 PM »
The most disturbing part of this is that the bill was promoted to reduce medical cost, but absolutely does not.  The American people were mislead on this one.  Its mostly a way the government can be involved in regulating medicine and forces a massive increase in medicaid.