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Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 12:07:05 PM »

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 12:31:28 PM »
He sure did. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 12:34:49 PM »
He sure did. 

Obamabots and cult followers of the messiah could care less. 


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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 12:44:56 PM »
Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax
Pete Souza/Official White House Photo, Sept. 2009




 
President Obama signaled in our interview that he was prepared to address some of the concerns raised by key Senator Jay Rockefeller, who called the Baucus bill a “big middle class tax increase” this week.
 
That means he’ll support more subsidies for middle class families.
 
But in our most spirited exchange, the President refused to accept the argument that a mandate to buy health insurance is equivalent to a tax.
 
Here it is:
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  You were against the individual mandate…
 
OBAMA:  Yes.
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  …during the campaign.  Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?
 
OBAMA:  Well, hold on a second, George. Here — here’s what’s happening.  You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care.  Now what I’ve said is that if you can’t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn’t be punished for that.  That’s just piling on. If, on the other hand, we’re giving tax credits, we’ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we’ve driven down the costs, we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you’ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances.  And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that’s…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  That may be, but it’s still a tax increase.
 
OBAMA:  No.  That’s not true, George.  The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase.  What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I’m not covering all the costs.
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  But it may be fair, it may be good public policy…
 
OBAMA:  No, but — but, George, you — you can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase.  Any…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  Here’s the…
 
OBAMA:  What — what — if I — if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that’s not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don’t want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  I — I don’t think I’m making it up. Merriam Webster’s Dictionary: Tax — “a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.”
 
OBAMA:  George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now.  Otherwise, you wouldn’t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition.  I mean what…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, no, but…
 
OBAMA:  …what you’re saying is…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  I wanted to check for myself.  But your critics say it is a tax increase.
 
OBAMA:  My critics say everything is a tax increase.  My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy.  You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we’re going to have an individual mandate or not, but…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  But you reject that it’s a tax increase?
 
OBAMA:  I absolutely reject that notion.
 
Watch it HERE.
 
- George Stephanopoulos


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/09/obama-mandate-is-not-a-tax/?fb_ref=.T-xrgC38PbY.like&fb_source=profile_oneline


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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 12:45:31 PM »
How is it a tax?   

This is the most absurd thing I have heard in a long time. 



I suggest reading the yale law school professor who specializes in constitutional law who wrote that article for his answer...

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 12:48:46 PM »

STEPHANOPOULOS:  That may be, but it’s still a tax increase.
 
OBAMA:  No.  That’s not true, George.  The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase.
  What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I’m not covering all the costs.
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  But it may be fair, it may be good public policy…
 
OBAMA:  No, but — but, George, you — you can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase.  Any…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  Here’s the…
 
OBAMA:  What — what — if I — if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that’s not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don’t want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  I — I don’t think I’m making it up. Merriam Webster’s Dictionary: Tax — “a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.”
 
OBAMA:  George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now.  Otherwise, you wouldn’t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition.  I mean what…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  Well, no, but…
 
OBAMA:  …what you’re saying is…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  I wanted to check for myself.  But your critics say it is a tax increase.
 
OBAMA:  My critics say everything is a tax increase.  My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy.  You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we’re going to have an individual mandate or not, but…
 
STEPHANOPOULOS:  But you reject that it’s a tax increase?
 
OBAMA:  I absolutely reject that notion.


Just flat out dishonesty. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2012, 12:49:37 PM »
I suggest reading the yale law school professor who specializes in constitutional law who wrote that article for his answer...

If it was a tax to finance a program that i benefit from that is one thing, but we are talking about forcing people into a private commercial transaction w no cost control whatsoever.   

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 12:51:18 PM »
Just flat out dishonesty. 

now you know why people like 240, straw, option FAIL, blackass, benny, and Andre love obama.   They cheer on his lies and fraud as to these jerks any means necessary to achieve obama's end goals of national socialism are ok w them. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
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Sheer lawlessness by these thugs and criminals. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 04:37:53 PM »
Bait And Switch on Obamacare
 Townhall.com ^ | June 29, 2012 | Cal Thomas

Posted on Friday, June 29, 2012 7:08:26 PM by Kaslin

When is a tax not a tax? When President Obama says it isn't, or when the Supreme Court says it is?

Obamacare was sold on several fraudulent lines. The president knows the country doesn't want to pay higher taxes, given the deplorable way their government spends the money. And so the administration packaged it as something different.

That's called bait and switch, which is defined as "an illegal tactic in which a seller advertises a product with the intention of persuading customers to purchase a more expensive product." And Obamacare, if it is not repealed, is guaranteed to be more expensive, not to mention more bureaucratic, delivering lower-quality care and eventually rationing to save money.

Does it matter what this president promises since so many have turned up empty?

This ruling will impose a massive tax increase during a lingering recession. Twenty-one new taxes are associated with Obamacare, according to the House Ways and Means Committee. That doesn't include the scheduled year-end expiration of the Bush tax cuts. President Obama has said taxes shouldn't be raised during a recession.

Simply put, if government is going to take more money from the people who earn it -- mostly small businesses -- it will result in those businesses hiring fewer people, or laying off more employees, or both, thus increasing already high unemployment. People who have never run a business, or made a payroll, like most in this administration, have no sense of that.

The list of lies and deceptions by this administration is long and growing. When campaigning for president in 2008, candidate Obama made "a firm pledge" not to raise taxes: "Not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." In 2009, he vigorously denied to George Stephanopoulos of ABC that the individual mandate is a tax. Now Chief Justice John Roberts says it is. If money leaves your pocket and goes to government, it's a tax, no matter the label.

Some congressional Democrats, especially those running for re-election in traditionally Republican districts, might not have voted for this law had it been presented as a tax increase. They will now have to either defend the tax hike or vow to repeal the law. One way, they appear not to have known what they were doing. The other way, they will be portrayed as having lied.

In the short term, the president may have won the argument, but the Supreme Court has given Mitt Romney and the Republicans three issues: higher taxes, a loss of individual freedom and the wrong solution to reforming health insurance.

The Founders sought to "secure the blessings of liberty." This president wants to secure the power of government. And so government, which has done a poor job of running Medicare and Medicaid, will now be responsible for an even bigger program. This is like renewing the license of a serial drunk driver.

Roberts joins a long line of justices nominated by Republican presidents, beginning with Earl Warren, who agreed with the liberal wing of the court on cases favored by the Left. Rarely, if ever, does a liberal justice vote with the conservatives.

Roberts suggested he wouldn't do the work of the people. If they don't like Obamacare, they can change the leadership. The Republican Governors Association is planning to do nothing on Obamacare until after the election, an indication they believe a Romney presidency and a Republican Congress will repeal the law.

In a statement following the court's decision, President Obama promised to implement the law with all deliberate speed. He apparently hopes that with more of it in place (except the taxes that come in 2014), people will become dependent on it and won't want to do away with it.

In just four months, voters will have the opportunity to live up to the responsibility that Roberts says is theirs. Otherwise, voters will become co-conspirators in the weakening of health care and the further destruction of our liberties.

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2012, 01:18:07 PM »
Press Secretary Says Contention that Obamacare Is Tax “Idiotic”
 Semi-News/Semi-Satire ^ | 29 June 2012 | John Semmens

Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:11:29 AM by John Semmens

Press Secretary Jay Carney sought to get out ahead of the GOP's campaign rhetoric alleging that Obamacare is a huge tax imposed on the middle class.

“There's no way this is a tax,” Carney insisted. “The President doesn't call it a tax. The legislation doesn't say it's a tax. Calling it a tax is idiotic. The President has made it quite clear that the $2,000 a person has to pay for refusing to buy health insurance is a punishment for disobedience, not a tax.”

The fact that the Supreme Court decision upholding Obamacare was founded on Chief Justice John Roberts' finding that the so-called penalty is a tax is irrelevant, according to Carney. “Roberts' convoluted logic isn't binding on anything,” Carney said. “All that matters is that the Court voted to sustain the law. Whatever reasons he or any other Justice might give are irrelevant.”

To further bolster his case against Obamacare being a tax, Carney cited the waivers granted by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “Secretary Sebelius has no authority to waive taxes,” Carney pointed out. “She does, however, have the authority to excuse persons from complying with the mandate. Those who think the mandate is oppressive ought to be trying to get on her good side. I don't think that castigating the Affordable Care Act for political advantage is a course likely to achieve that.”

Thus far, Sebelius has issued over 1,000 waivers—most of them to organizations and businesses supporting the Administration's political agenda.

In related news, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal (R) suggested that, based on the Court's decision, the government might mandate the consumption of tofu or the purchase of a Chevy Volt under threat of being assessed a penalty for noncompliance. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) dismissed such fears as “misplaced. It is the government's job to promote the general welfare. If eating healthier food and driving non-polluting vehicles is deemed the appropriate way of promoting that welfare who is Mr. Jindal to say that the government shouldn't penalize those who won't cooperate?”

if you missed any of this week's other semi-news posts you can find them at...

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Opinion/114163-2012-06-29-semi-news-a-satire-of-recent-news-july-1-2012.htm





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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2012, 01:23:05 PM »
“It is the government's job to promote the general welfare. If eating healthier food and driving non-polluting vehicles is deemed the appropriate way of promoting that welfare who is Mr. Jindal to say that the government shouldn't penalize those who won't cooperate?”

Err, is that an actual quote from Pelosi, or is that the "satire" part of "semi-news/semi-satire"? If so, wow... words fail me.



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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2012, 01:29:58 PM »
Err, is that an actual quote from Pelosi, or is that the "satire" part of "semi-news/semi-satire"? If so, wow... words fail me.




Roberts opened the door to literally anything via the taxing power w his cowardly decision. 

I listed a few items now totally legal since Congress can compel any action, inaction, purchase, etc or face a tax for non-compliance. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2012, 01:34:32 PM »
Roberts opened the door to literally anything via the taxing power w his cowardly decision. 

I listed a few items now totally legal since Congress can compel any action, inaction, purchase, etc or face a tax for non-compliance. 

Eh, I don't quite buy that. But even if I did, the solution is simple: Constitutional Amendment limiting the government's tax powers. After all, the Court can't deem unconstitutional what's in the Constitution ;)

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2012, 01:39:10 PM »
Roberts opened the door to literally anything via the taxing power w his cowardly decision. 

I listed a few items now totally legal since Congress can compel any action, inaction, purchase, etc or face a tax for non-compliance. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2012, 02:35:10 PM »
Obamacare: Seven New Taxes on Citizens Earning Less than $250,000
by Robert Allen

29 Jun 2012



While we were all debating the cost to our liberty due to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), we were ignoring the cost to our pockets.  If there ever was a reason for bipartisan rage about this law, it should be on the twenty - yes, twenty - hidden new taxes of this law.  Making matters even more relevant is that seven of these taxes are levied on all citizens regardless of income.  Hence, Mr. Obama’s promise not to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $250,000 is just another falsehood associated with this legislation.
 
The first, and best known, of these seven taxes that will hit all Americans as a result of Obamacare is the Individual Mandate Tax (no longer concealed as a penalty). This provision will require a couple to pay the higher of a base tax of $1,360 per year, or 2.5% of adjusted growth income starting with lower base tax and rising to this level by 2016.  Individuals will see a base tax of $695 and families a base tax of $2,085 per year by 2016. 

Next up is the Medicine Cabinet Tax that took effect in 2011.  This tax prohibits reimbursement of expenses for over-the-counter medicine, with the lone exception of insulin, from an employee’s pre-tax dollar funded Health Saving Account (HSA), Flexible Spending Account (FSA) or Health Reimbursement Account (HRA).  This provision hurts middle class earners particularly hard since they earn enough to actually pay federal taxes, but not enough to make this restriction negligible.
 
The Flexible Spending Account (FSA) Cap, which will begin in 2013, is perhaps the most hurtful provision to the middle class.  This part of the law imposes a cap of $2,500 per year (which is now unlimited) on the amount of pre-tax dollars that could be deposited into these accounts.  Why is this particularly hurtful to the middle class?  It is because funds in these accounts may be used to pay for special needs education for special needs children in the United States.  Tuition rates for this type of special education can easily exceed $14,000 per year and the use of pre-tax dollars has helped many middle income families.
 
Another direct hit to the middle class is the Medical Itemized Deduction Hurdle which is currently 7.5% of adjusted gross income.  This is the hurdle that must be met before medical expenses over that hurdle can be taken as a deduction on federal income taxes.  Obamacare raises this hurdle to 10% of adjusted gross income beginning in 2013.  Consider the middle class family with $80,000 of adjusted gross income and $8,000 of medical expenses.  Currently, that family can get some relief from being able to take a $2,000 deduction (7.5% X $80,000 = $6,000; $8,000 –$6,000 = $2,000).  An increase to 10% would eliminate the deduction in this example and if that family was paying a 25% federal tax rate, the real cost of that lost deduction would be $500.
 
The fifth new tax on the middle class, and all Americans, is the Health Savings Account (HSA) Withdrawal Tax Hike.  This provision increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10% currently to 20% beginning in 2013.  This provision actually sets these accounts apart from Investment Retirement Accounts (IRAs) and other tax advantaged accounts, all of which remain with a 10% early withdrawal tax.
 
Another regressive tax that is part of this law began in 2010 and that is the Indoor Tanning Services Tax, which places a 10% excise tax on people using tanning salons.  While some may regard this as insignificant, the broader implication is that this act of taxation is a blatant move by the federal government to control the behavior of citizens.  This provision, as does the Individual Mandate and as Justice Kennedy said during the oral arguments on the constitutionality of the law said, “….fundamentally changes the relationship between the federal government and the citizen.”
 
The seventh new tax that directly impacts the middle class, along with all citizens, is the Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans or the “Cadillac” Health Insurance Plan Tax.  These are plans that provide extensive coverage and that are generally fully paid for, or largely paid for, by employers.  This provision imposes a 40% excise tax on the employer-paid premium on taxpayers who are covered by such plans, beginning in 2018.  The reason it begins in 2018 is because most unionized workers are covered by plans that fall under this definition and a deferral was made to spare union members from this tax for at least a period of time.
 
There are thirteen other taxes that apply to businesses and that apply to high income (over $250,000 per year) households.  While these additional provisions will not impact the middle class directly, they can have serious indirect consequences for middle and low income earners.  Beginning in 2014, the Employer Mandate Tax will impose an annual non-deductible tax on employers with more than 50 employees who do not provide health insurance for their employees. 

The impact of this provision on low and middle income earners, and really all working Americans, is that employers will be confronted with three choices. The first is provide some level of health insurance, as many do today, and there would be no impact on employees.  The second choice is to pay the penalty, which would most likely be less expensive than providing health insurance, and force employees to seek their own health insurance or purchase it through federal government controlled state exchanges.  Studies have estimated that 20 million Americans will lose their employee funded health insurance as a result of this provision and employers electing this option.  The third choice is for employers to lay off employees, or not hire additional employees, because Obamacare forces them to either provide health insurance or pay the new tax. 

Another new tax, the Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers that begins in 2013, places a 2.3% excise tax on all items retailing for more than $100.  This provision will not only drive up the cost of various medical devices ranging from mobility assistance devices to personal testing supplies, but will also impact an industry that employs 360,000 people in 6,000 plants across our country.  This tax, while not a direct tax, would have significant negative impact on the middle class.
 
The Surtax on Investment Income for households earning $250,000 and more, beginning in 2013, will raise the Capital Gains Tax from 15% to 23.8% on investment income for these households and will raise Taxes on Dividends from 15% to 43.4% for the same households.  Aside from the impact on retired citizens dependent on dividends, this provision will pull income from the private economy.  In addition, the tax rate on Other Investment Income earned by Subchapter S Corporation (which many small business are organized as, allowing the owners to claim all business income as personal income) will rise from 35% to 43.4%.  This part of the provision would place additional pressure on small businesses resulting in more layoffs and less hiring, impacting all American workers.
 
All but one of the remaining new taxes in Obamacare are directed at health industry businesses and while they will not impact middle income families directly, the additional costs will most likely be passed on to the public.  The last new tax is really interesting, it is a tax on certain biofuels! 

These are the facts.  It does not matter if you support Mr. Obama and his new law or if you oppose it, the new taxes on the middle class or real and all Americans should understand their impact on their families and the economy.  Citizens, regardless of political beliefs, should recognize that Obamacare was passed with almost no sunlight shined on these middle class tax increases and need to understand that the new law was sold with the promise that there would be no new middle class taxes.  This is not partisan, it is simply the reality of politics.
 
For more information, read ATR's analysis of the Affordable Care Act's taxes here.
 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/29/Seven-new-taxes


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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2012, 03:00:02 PM »
Press Secretary Says Contention that Obamacare Is Tax “Idiotic”
 Semi-News/Semi-Satire ^ | 29 June 2012 | John Semmens

Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:11:29 AM by John Semmens

Press Secretary Jay Carney sought to get out ahead of the GOP's campaign rhetoric alleging that Obamacare is a huge tax imposed on the middle class.

“There's no way this is a tax,” Carney insisted. “The President doesn't call it a tax. The legislation doesn't say it's a tax. Calling it a tax is idiotic. The President has made it quite clear that the $2,000 a person has to pay for refusing to buy health insurance is a punishment for disobedience, not a tax.”

The fact that the Supreme Court decision upholding Obamacare was founded on Chief Justice John Roberts' finding that the so-called penalty is a tax is irrelevant, according to Carney. “Roberts' convoluted logic isn't binding on anything,” Carney said. “All that matters is that the Court voted to sustain the law. Whatever reasons he or any other Justice might give are irrelevant.”

To further bolster his case against Obamacare being a tax, Carney cited the waivers granted by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “Secretary Sebelius has no authority to waive taxes,” Carney pointed out. “She does, however, have the authority to excuse persons from complying with the mandate. Those who think the mandate is oppressive ought to be trying to get on her good side. I don't think that castigating the Affordable Care Act for political advantage is a course likely to achieve that.”

Thus far, Sebelius has issued over 1,000 waivers—most of them to organizations and businesses supporting the Administration's political agenda.

In related news, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal (R) suggested that, based on the Court's decision, the government might mandate the consumption of tofu or the purchase of a Chevy Volt under threat of being assessed a penalty for noncompliance. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) dismissed such fears as “misplaced. It is the government's job to promote the general welfare. If eating healthier food and driving non-polluting vehicles is deemed the appropriate way of promoting that welfare who is Mr. Jindal to say that the government shouldn't penalize those who won't cooperate?”

if you missed any of this week's other semi-news posts you can find them at...

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Opinion/114163-2012-06-29-semi-news-a-satire-of-recent-news-july-1-2012.htm





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What a complete fraud that was committed on this nation between GWB, roberts, obama, etc.


Disgusting. 


 :-\ Glad Pelosi is in the minority.

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2012, 03:01:29 PM »
Eh, I don't quite buy that. But even if I did, the solution is simple: Constitutional Amendment limiting the government's tax powers. After all, the Court can't deem unconstitutional what's in the Constitution ;)

Amending the Constitution is not "easy."

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2012, 03:34:19 PM »
Article I, Section 7 states that all revenue bills shall originate in the House of Representatives but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on any other bills.





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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2012, 04:09:55 PM »
Amending the Constitution is not "easy."

I never said it was easy - learn to read.

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2012, 04:14:01 PM »
I never said it was easy - learn to read.

what is your assessment of the Roberts decision.

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2012, 04:29:32 PM »
what is your assessment of the Roberts decision.

I haven't finished reading the dissent. I am disappointed - I had hoped for a decision that invalidated the mandate I'm not necessarily opposed to some healthcare reforms that would involve incentives for people to get health insurance) because I don't like "mandates."

I think the decision can certainly be construed as dangerously expanding the tax power of Congress and I think all the Courts - including the Supremes must now be careful to hold the line.

I think a positive side-effect of the decision is that we finally have a decision that sets some constraints on what Congress can do under the Commerce and N&P clauses.