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Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« on: August 26, 2011, 03:55:09 AM »
Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
One program for recovery worked, and the other hasn't..
By STEPHEN MOORE
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904875404576530412322260784.html



If you really want to light the fuse of a liberal Democrat, compare Barack Obama's economic performance after 30 months in office with that of Ronald Reagan. It's not at all flattering for Mr. Obama.

The two presidents have a lot in common. Both inherited an American economy in collapse. And both applied daring, expensive remedies. Mr. Reagan passed the biggest tax cut ever, combined with an agenda of deregulation, monetary restraint and spending controls. Mr. Obama, of course, has given us a $1 trillion spending stimulus.

By the end of the summer of Reagan's third year in office, the economy was soaring. The GDP growth rate was 5% and racing toward 7%, even 8% growth. In 1983 and '84 output was growing so fast the biggest worry was that the economy would "overheat." In the summer of 2011 we have an economy limping along at barely 1% growth and by some indications headed toward a "double-dip" recession. By the end of Reagan's first term, it was Morning in America. Today there is gloomy talk of America in its twilight.

My purpose here is not more Reagan idolatry, but to point out an incontrovertible truth: One program for recovery worked, and the other hasn't.

The Reagan philosophy was to incentivize production—i.e., the "supply side" of the economy—by lowering restraints on business expansion and investment. This was done by slashing marginal income tax rates, eliminating regulatory high hurdles, and reining in inflation with a tighter monetary policy.

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.The Keynesians in the early 1980s assured us that the Reagan expansion would not and could not happen. Rapid growth with new jobs and falling rates of inflation (to 4% in 1983 from 13% in 1980) is an impossibility in Keynesian textbooks. If you increase demand, prices go up. If you increase supply—as Reagan did—prices go down.

The Godfather of the neo-Keynesians, Paul Samuelson, was the lead critic of the supposed follies of Reaganomics. He wrote in a 1980 Newsweek column that to slay the inflation monster would take "five to ten years of austerity," with unemployment of 8% or 9% and real output of "barely 1 or 2 percent." Reaganomics was routinely ridiculed in the media, especially in the 1982 recession. That was the year MIT economist Lester Thurow famously said, "The engines of economic growth have shut down here and across the globe, and they are likely to stay that way for years to come."

The economy would soon take flight for more than 80 consecutive months. Then the Reagan critics declared what they once thought couldn't work was actually a textbook Keynesian expansion fueled by budget deficits of $200 billion a year, or about 4%-5% of GDP.

Robert Reich, now at the University of California, Berkeley, explained that "The recession of 1981-82 was so severe that the bounce back has been vigorous." Paul Krugman wrote in 2004 that the Reagan boom was really nothing special because: "You see, rapid growth is normal when an economy is bouncing back from a deep slump."

Mr. Krugman was, for once, at least partly right. How could Reagan not look good after four years of Jimmy Carter's economic malpractice?

Fast-forward to today. Mr. Obama is running deficits of $1.3 trillion, or 8%-9% of GDP. If the Reagan deficits powered the '80s expansion, the Obama deficits—twice as large—should have the U.S. sprinting at Olympic speed.

The left has now embraced a new theory to explain why the Obama spending hasn't worked. The answer is contained in the book "This Time Is Different," by economists Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff. Published in 2009, the book examines centuries of recessions and depressions world-wide. The authors conclude that it takes nations much longer—six years or more—to recover from financial crises and the popping of asset bubbles than from typical recessions.

In any case, what Reagan inherited was arguably a more severe financial crisis than what was dropped in Mr. Obama's lap. You don't believe it? From 1967 to 1982 stocks lost two-thirds of their value relative to inflation, according to a new report from Laffer Associates. That mass liquidation of wealth was a first-rate financial calamity. And tell me that 20% mortgage interest rates, as we saw in the 1970s, aren't indicative of a monetary-policy meltdown.

There is something that is genuinely different this time. It isn't the nature of the crisis Mr. Obama inherited, but the nature of his policy prescriptions. Reagan applied tax cuts and other policies that, yes, took the deficit to unchartered peacetime highs.

But that borrowing financed a remarkable and prolonged economic expansion and a victory against the Evil Empire in the Cold War. What exactly have Mr. Obama's deficits gotten us?

Mr. Moore is a member of the Journal's editorial board.


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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2011, 08:03:45 AM »
Obama vs. Reagan : In historical match-up, Reaganomics trounces Obamanomics, 280,000 to 0.
National Review ^ | 09/12/2011 | Deroy Murdock



President Zero.

The brand-new nickname for Barack ObamAA+ symbolizes America’s total net jobs created in August: Zippo.

So, how many jobs emerged in August 1983, the analogous point in Ronald Reagan’s presidency? 280,000. Proportional to today’s population, that equals 367,360 new hires last month.

Citizens pondering Obama’s latest jobs speech and how to get America working again should focus on today’s great Keynesian experiment. Ronald Reagan’s supply-side mixture of tax cuts, deregulation, and sound money competes directly against Obama’s big-government blend of Keynesian stimuli, rampant red tape, and promiscuous printing of money — as if dollars were wallpaper. The late Reagan trounces the leisurely Obama.




President Ronald Reagan signing the Economic Recovery Tax Act on August 14, 1981 at his southern California ranch. On economic dynamism, he still has the last laugh. Photo: Associated Press.

Reagan’s Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 slashed the top federal income-tax from 70 percent to 50, and sliced business levies. Today, it would cost $1.86 trillion. (For consistency, I converted all of the historical numbers for 1981, 1983, and 2009 into 2011 dollars. Nominal figures appear in an analysis available here.) Meanwhile, Obama’s “stimulus,” formally called the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, cost $829 billion.


Reagan deregulated America’s economy, as demonstrated by the relatively low 30,522 pages of rules added to the Federal Register in 1981 and 1982. Reagan continued President Carter’s loosening of restrictions on airlines, trucking, and other industries. The 45,696 pages that swelled the Register in 2009 and 2010 reflect Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, EPA guidelines, pro-union favors, and other regulations — atop Sarbanes-Oxley, farm programs, lighting standards, and other hurdles that Bush-Rove erected.


Confirming Reagan’s commitment to reliable currency and monetary restraint, gold’s price fell 33 percent — from $1,396.79 per ounce during Reagan’s Jan. 20, 1981, inauguration to $937.37 on Sept. 7, 1983. By converting the Bureau of Engraving and Printing into a veritable currency copy shop, Obama helped gold climb 201.4 percent through Wednesday, from $898.53 to $1,810.00.

Reagan accelerated Carter’s deregulation of oil prices and encouraged domestic production, as underscored by gasoline’s 6.75 percent fall from $3.11 per gallon on inauguration day to $2.90 in late August 1983. Obama’s domestic drilling limits and anti-carbon fetish helped gasoline climb 87 percent — from $1.93 when he arrived to $3.60 on August 29.


The economic and political consequences of these conflicting visions are stunning.




President Zero: In Barack Obama’s third August in office, the stimulus-fatigued U.S. economy created no jobs. In August 1983, thanks to Ronald Reagan’s pro-market reforms, America generated 280,000 new positions.

At the two-and-a half-year mark (Jul. 20, 1983), Gross Domestic Product under Reagan grew at 9.3 percent. Under Obama, GDP crawled forward last July 20 at 1 percent.


At that stage in Reagan’s presidency, non-farm productivity blossomed at 9.6 percent. Under Obama, it shriveled at negative 0.7 percent.

After Reagan’s first 30 months, unemployment stood at 9.4 percent, down from a 10.8 percent recessionary peak. Under Obama, top joblessness of 10.1 percent has dropped to 9.1 percent, but seems stuck there. And the fact that America yielded zero net jobs last month (versus 280,000 in August 1983) confirms the bankruptcy of Obamanomics.


These respective developments swayed America’s mood. In August 1983, under Reagan, the Consumer Confidence Index sparkled at 90.2. Last month, under Obama, it flickered at 44.5.

In a June 1983 CBS News poll, 47 percent of adults said America was “on the right track,” while 44 percent saw the nation “on the wrong track.” In a June 2011 CBS News study, 28 percent of Americans chose “the right track,” and 63 percent voted “wrong.”


Similarly, an Aug. 8, 1983 Gallup survey found 35 percent of Americans “generally satisfied with things in the U.S.” and 59 percent “generally dissatisfied.” On Aug. 14, 2011, 11 percent were satisfied, while a whopping 88 percent were dissatisfied.

Progress earned Reagan 48 percent approval in a September 1983 Gallup survey, while Obama stood at 40 percent last August 20. On managing the economy, ABC News documented Reagan’s 48 percent approval on May 18, 1983. On September 1, ABC gauged Obama’s approval on economics at 36 percent.


Obama’s triumphs include last week’s dismissal of 1,100 workers at Solyndra, a now-defunct solar-panel manufacturer that he stimulated with a $535 million loan guarantee. (Search-warrant wielding FBI agents raided Solyndra’s Fremont, Calif., headquarters late last week, seeking evidence of criminality.) Another “green-jobs investment” hatched 14 posts and weatherized exactly three Seattle homes. Cost: $20 million.




Ronald Reagan savored a landslide re-election in 1984, scoring 525 Electoral College votes to Democrat Walter Mondale’s 13. As Barack Obama crawls from the wreckage of his Keynesian vehicle, disappointed voters in November 2012 just might make him hand the keys to an adult who knows how to drive.

— New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a nationally syndicated columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University. Manhattan financier Brett A. Shisler contributed analysis for this piece.


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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2012, 07:05:00 AM »

Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures



In February 2009 I wrote an article for The Wall Street Journal entitled “Reaganomics v Obamanomics,” which argued that the emerging outlines of President Obama’s economic policies were following in close detail exactly the opposite of President Reagan’s economic policies.  As a result, I predicted that Obamanomics would have the opposite results of Reaganomics.  That prediction seems to be on track.

When President Reagan entered office in 1981, he faced actually much worse economic problems than President Obama faced in 2009.  Three worsening recessions starting in 1969 were about to culminate in the worst of all in 1981-1982, with unemployment soaring into double digits at a peak of 10.8%.  At the same time America suffered roaring double-digit inflation, with the CPI registering at 11.3% in 1979 and 13.5% in 1980 (25% in two years).  The Washington establishment at the time argued that this inflation was now endemic to the American economy, and could not be stopped, at least not without a calamitous economic collapse.

All of the above was accompanied by double -igit interest rates, with the prime rate peaking at 21.5% in 1980.  The poverty rate started increasing in 1978, eventually climbing by an astounding 33%, from 11.4% to 15.2%.  A fall in real median family income that began in 1978 snowballed to a decline of almost 10% by 1982.  In addition, from 1968 to 1982, the Dow Jones industrial average lost 70% of its real value, reflecting an overall collapse of stocks.

President Reagan campaigned on an explicitly articulated, four-point economic program to reverse this slow motion collapse of the American economy:

1.  Cut tax rates to restore incentives for economic growth, which was implemented first with a reduction in the top income tax rate of 70% down to 50%, and then a 25% across-the-board reduction in income tax rates for everyone.  The 1986 tax reform then reduced tax rates further, leaving just two rates, 28% and 15%.

2.  Spending reductions, including a $31 billion cut in spending in 1981, close to 5% of the federal budget then, or the equivalent of about $175 billion in spending cuts for the year today.  In constant dollars, nondefense discretionary spending declined by 14.4% from 1981 to 1982, and by 16.8% from 1981 to 1983.  Moreover, in constant dollars, this nondefense discretionary spending never returned to its 1981 level for the rest of Reagan’s two terms!  Even with the Reagan defense buildup, which won the Cold War without firing a shot, total federal spending declined from a high of 23.5% of GDP in 1983 to 21.3% in 1988 and 21.2% in 1989.  That’s a real reduction in the size of government relative to the economy of 10%.

3.  Anti-inflation monetary policy restraining money supply growth compared to demand, to maintain a stronger, more stable dollar value.

4.  Deregulation, which saved consumers an estimated $100 billion per year in lower prices.  Reagan’s first executive order, in fact, eliminated price controls on oil and natural gas.  Production soared, and aided by a strong dollar the price of oil declined by more than 50%.

These economic policies amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history.  The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it.  This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.

During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy.  In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years.  Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%.  Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

 The shocking rise in inflation during the Nixon and Carter years was reversed.  Astoundingly, inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%.  It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%, never to be heard from again until recently.  The contractionary, tight-money policies needed to kill this inflation inexorably created the steep recession of 1981 to 1982, which is why Reagan did not suffer politically catastrophic blame for that recession.

Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years.  The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak.  The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade.

In The End of Prosperity, supply side guru Art Laffer and Wall Street Journal chief financial writer Steve Moore point out that this Reagan recovery grew into a 25-year boom, with just slight interruptions by shallow, short recessions in 1990 and 2001.  They wrote:


We call this period, 1982-2007, the twenty-five year boom–the greatest period of wealth creation in the history of the planet.  In 1980, the net worth–assets minus liabilities–of all U.S. households and business … was $25 trillion in today’s dollars.  By 2007, … net worth was just shy of $57 trillion.  Adjusting for inflation, more wealth was created in America in the twenty-five year boom than in the previous two hundred years.
 
What is so striking about Obamanomics is how it so doggedly pursues the opposite of every one of these planks of Reaganomics.  Instead of reducing tax rates, President Obama is committed to raising the top tax rates of virtually every major federal tax.  As already enacted into current law, in 2013 the top two income tax rates will rise by nearly 20%, counting as well Obama’s proposed deduction phase-outs.

The capital gains tax rate will soar by nearly 60%, counting the new Obamacare taxes going into effect that year.  The total tax rate on corporate dividends would increase by nearly three times.  The Medicare payroll tax would increase by 62% for the nation’s job creators and investors.  The death tax rate would go back up to 55%.  In his 2012 budget and his recent national budget speech, President Obama proposes still more tax increases.

Instead of coming into office with spending cuts, President Obama’s first act was a nearly $1 trillion stimulus bill.  In his first two years in office he has already increased federal spending by 28%, and his 2012 budget proposes to increase federal spending by another 57% by 2021.

His monetary policy is just the opposite as well.  Instead of restraining the money supply to match money demand for a stable dollar, slaying an historic inflation, we have QE1 and QE2 and a steadily collapsing dollar, arguably creating a historic reflation.

And instead of deregulation we have across-the-board re-regulation, from health care to finance to energy, and elsewhere.  While Reagan used to say that his energy policy was to “unleash the private sector,” Obama’s energy policy can be described as precisely to leash the private sector in service to Obama’s central planning “green energy” dictates.

As a result, while the Reagan recovery averaged 7.1% economic growth over the first seven quarters, the Obama recovery has produced less than half that at 2.8%, with the last quarter at a dismal 1.8%.  After seven quarters of the Reagan recovery, unemployment had fallen 3.3 percentage points from its peak to 7.5%, with only 18% unemployed long-term for 27 weeks or more.  After seven quarters of the Obama recovery, unemployment has fallen only 1.3 percentage points from its peak, with a postwar record 45% long-term unemployed.

Previously the average recession since World War II lasted 10 months, with the longest at 16 months.  Yet today, 40 months after the last recession started, unemployment is still 8.8%, with America suffering the longest period of unemployment that high since the Great Depression.  Based on the historic precedents America should be enjoying the second year of a roaring economic recovery by now, especially since, historically, the worse the downturn, the stronger the recovery.  Yet while in the Reagan recovery the economy soared past the previous GDP peak after six months, in the Obama recovery that didn’t happen for three years.  Last year the Census Bureau reported that the total number of Americans in poverty was the highest in the 51 years that Census has been recording the data.

Moreover, the Reagan recovery was achieved while taming a historic inflation, for a period that continued for more than 25 years.  By contrast, the less-than-half-hearted Obama recovery seems to be recreating inflation, with the latest Producer Price Index data showing double-digit inflation again, and the latest CPI growing already half as much.

These are the reasons why economist John Lott has rightly said, “For the last couple of years, President Obama keeps claiming that the recession was the worst economy since the Great Depression.  But this is not correct.  This is the worst “recovery” since the Great Depression.”

However, the Reagan Recovery took off once the tax rate cuts were fully phased in.  Similarly, the full results of Obamanomics won’t be in until his historic, comprehensive tax rate increases of 2013 become effective.  While the Reagan Recovery kicked off a historic 25-year economic boom, will the opposite policies of Obamanomics, once fully phased in, kick off 25 years of economic stagnation, unless reversed?

Peter Ferrara is director of policy for the Carleson Center for Public Policy and senior fellow for entitlement and budget policy at the Heartland Institute.  He served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as associate deputy attorney general of the United States under President George H. W. Bush.  He is the author of America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb, forthcoming from HarperCollins.

 http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/print


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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2012, 07:31:34 AM »

Comparing Obama and Reagan’s economic records
James Pethokoukis and Joe Weisenthal have been arguing over who presided over the more impressive recovery: Barack Obama or Ronald Reagan?

This is, I think, a mostly useless exercise. Obama and Reagan presided over different kinds of recessions that began at different times and ended in different ways. Imagine you had two doctors, one who had treated a patient for a drug overdose, and another who was treating a patient who recently suffered a heart attack. Would flatly comparing the speed of the two patients’ recoveries tell you anything about the doctors? Of course not. So too with Obama and Reagan. But if you do want to compare the two presidents, here are some things to keep in mind:


A 900-pound statue of former President Ronald Reagan is viewed Nov. 1, 2011, shortly after being unveiled during ceremonies dedicating the new statue at Reagan National Airport in Washington,DC. (PAUL J. RICHARDS - AFP/GETTY IMAGES) The 1982 recession and the 2008 financial crisis were not the same. In the early-1980s, the country was fighting a decade of stagflation. Paul Volcker, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, decided to wring inflation out of the economy by sharply raising interest rates. The medicine worked to cure inflation, but it threw the economy into a deep recession. Recovery came when the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates again and sparked an investment boom.

In contrast, the 2008 financial crisis was the result of a credit bubble. It came when the Federal Reserve was already trying to stimulate the economy with low interest rates. It was — and is — global in nature, and for the economy to recover, households need to dig themselves out of debt such that they can begin spending again. Unlike the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates, that takes time. A long time. To attach some numbers to this story, in 1982, household debt amounted to about 45 percent of GDP. In 2009, it was 100 percent. Those numbers imply very different recoveries.

The 1980s were not all about Reagan. The effect Volcker’s policies were having on the economy was well understood. Here’s the New York Times, in 1983: “As the recession deepened in 1982, the United States and the rest of the industrialized world focused on high interest rates as the cause - and on Paul A. Volcker as the culprit.” The House majority leader, Democrat Jim Wright, called for Volcker to resign. Reagan officials were unhappy, too. “A question that seems to be in the minds of many people in the Reagan Administration and the business community is whether the Federal Reserve should pull back a bit from its restrictive monetary policy and let the President’s economic recovery package have its intended stimulative effect on the economy.”

Be very skeptical of any discussion of the recession or recovery of the early-1980s in which Volcker — or at least the Federal Reserve -- is not a primary actor. You’re likely reading a piece that deifies Reagan rather than a piece of actual economic analysis.

The 2000s are not all about Obama. Key decisions about regulating financial derivatives were made under Clinton. The credit bubble built under Bush. The initial response to the financial crisis — which set us on a path that was hard to reverse after-the-fact — was made by Bush’s Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson, and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. The pace of recovery has been substantially slowed by the European debt crisis and the rise in oil prices that resulted from the Arab Spring.

Contrary to popular belief, taxes are lower under Obama than they were under Reagan. In 1983, when Reagan was trying to get the economy out of recession, revenues were 17.5 percent of GDP. In 2010, when Obama was trying to guide the economy into a recovery, revenues were 14.9 percent of GDP.

Taxes are so low under Obama in large part because of the Bush tax cuts and the effects of the financial crisis. But they’re also low because of the tax cuts passed by Obama in the stimulus bill. And remember — Obama’s number here is for 2010. In 2011, Obama further extended and enlarged the Bush tax cuts in the 2010 tax deal.

Nor are revenues resulting from Obama’s tax policies expected to rise above Reagan’s totals in the near future. In 1988, when Reagan left office, revenues were 18.2 percent of GDP. Under the Congressional Budget Office’s alternative-fiscal scenario -- which is their most realistic projection -- revenues only rise (pdf) to 18.4 percent of GDP by 2021. If Obama manages to pass his most consistent tax-policy demand and sunset the Bush tax cuts for income over $250,000, that would rise by less than half a percentage point. In other words, taxes were never as low under Reagan as they are under Obama, and Obama’s policies would not lead to a significantly different tax burden than Reagan’s policies did.

Obama’s recovery isn’t done. For reasons laid out above, I don’t think you can make an apples-to-apples comparison between Obama and Reagan. But it’s certainly worth keeping the obvious in mind: Obama’s recovery isn’t done. At this point in Reagan’s presidency, unemployment was eight percent — though it was falling quickly. There’s nothing in the economic data right now suggesting that unemployment will fall very quickly over the next year, but a world in which the unemployment rate is 7.5 percent in November will look better for Obama than a world in which unemployment is 8.2 percent — even if the difference was made by policymakers in Brussels.

Which isn’t to say that there aren’t useful comparisons to be made between the policies pursued by Obama and previous presidents. But the comparisons need to focus more tightly on the policies they pursued then the circumstances they faced. For instance:

Obama’s policies have temporarily increased deficits. Reagan’s policies permanently increased them. Reagan’s policies were notable for increasing structural deficits. That is to say, he passed permanent, deficit-financed tax cuts. Long after the recession was over, his tax cuts remained, necessitating the deficit-reduction bills passed by George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. Obama’s major deficit-financed policies -- the stimulus and the 2010 tax deal -- have both been temporary. Obama has, in other words, been much more concerned with out-year deficits than Reagan ever was.

When Reagan entered office, taxes were unusually high. When Obama entered office, taxes were unusually low. In 1980, taxes were 19.6 percent of GDP. That was higher than they had ever been outside of wartime. When Obama entered office, taxes were below 15 percent of GDP -- lower than they had been since before the creation of Medicare and Medicaid. This helps explain why Reagan sought a long-term tax cut, while Obama is seeking a long-term tax increase.

That said, Obama wants lower taxes than Clinton. If Obama has his way, the majority of Bush’s tax cuts will be made permanent. That is to say, the long-term tax burden under Obama will be lower than it would have been if Clinton’s policies had been continued. I consider this as basically irresponsible: The coming retirement of the baby boomers requires a revenue base at least as large as Clinton envisioned. Nevertheless, the conservative nostalgia for Clinton and Clinton-era economic policies is, at least in terms of taxes, misplaced.

The political system is vastly more polarized today than it was in the 1980s. This rarely gets much attention, but it matters. Reagan negotiated his policies with the Democratic Speaker of the House, Tip O’Neill. Many Democrats voted with Reagan to cut taxes, and Reagan subsequently signed multiple pieces of legislation raising taxes to cut down on deficits. If the political system today was more similar to the political system of the 80s, it’s likely that we would have seen both more short-term stimulus and more long-term deficit reduction. Under both Keynesian and non-Keynesian models, that would have helped the recovery. It is hard to say what Reagan’s record would look like if he had faced a divided Congress in our more polarized moment.


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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2012, 07:34:06 AM »
Obama v. Reagan: Fun comparison to piss off a wingnut on Reagan's B-day
Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan. No Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove, or Saddam Hussein (Reagan propped him him big time). A world where the labor movement wasn't attacked, and the middle class wasn't systematically dismantled.

Under Reagan, corporations gained real political power, unions were severely weakened, and the socioeconomic gap widened more than at any other time in history (until W).

He created the modern plutocracy. He invented the "take from the poor, give to the rich" supply-side economics that still haunts us today. He poured billions in wasteful spending, like Star Wars. All in just 8 short years.

CEOs before Reagan made 78 times their minimum wage workers. Today, its 4000 times! If the USA had the same income distribution we had in the 1970s, we would be averaging $120,000--not $40,000. Bottom Line: Reagan was a bastard.

And we are still suffering. So when I hear the idiot conservatives longing for him on the radio and the "specials" on Faux News, I want them to hurt. And the best way to do that? HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS.

Next time someone starts revising history or just starts a syrupy tribute, hit them with this. Comparing their St. Ronnie with the man that literally drives them insane... Mr. Barry himself. Shoot them the following information...then just watch them squirm and enjoy the fireworks:


REAGAN CUT AND RUN, OBAMA DIDN'T COWER
Remember when the GOP loved to say "cut and run" as an excuse to keep our troops in Iraq forever? Even after they said "Mission Accomplished"? But who invented cut and run? The Gipper.

REAGAN: Reagan retreated from Lebanon immediately after the 1983 terror attack by Hizbullah that resulted in the murder of 243 Marines. According to the 9/11 Commission Report (p. 68), Reagan's cut and run INSPIRED Bin Laden, who viewed the United States as a “paper tiger” because of its rapid withdrawal after the attack.

OBAMA: Our troops are repeatedly attacked in Afghanistan, yet Obama increased our troop strength by 30,000.

I'm waiting for the response, Mr. GOPer.


OBAMA KILLED TERRORISTS, REAGAN GAVE THEM WEAPONS

OBAMA: Gave the naval commander the go ahead to kill several pirates, which resulted in saving the life of Captain Richard Phillips.

(PS--Even though terrorists were killed and the captain rescued, fucking Rush Limbaugh, who originally accused Obama of dithering on saving Capt. Phillips, then cried that Obama killed teenagers when the snipers took out the pirates. Obama-Derangement-Syndrome.

REAGAN: Traded FUCKING arms for hostages! DO I really need to say more?? Oh yeah, he met with our enemies without preconditions (1985, Soviet Union)... something that Obama is attacked for wanting to do, even though he has never done it. But again, giving weapons to terrorists pretty much takes the cake.

AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS:
Hey Mr. wingnut? Why do support an amnesty-lover like Reagan?


I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.
-Ronald Reagan 10/28/1984



No matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these law should be held accountable.
-Barack Obama July 2010


Made that up, did I? Watch it yourself then!


REAGAN RAISED TAXES 11 TIMES, OBAMA NEVER
OBAMA: Refused to raise taxes on anyone making more than a quarter of a million dollars... and wound up not raising taxes on anybody.


"Let me be absolutely clear ... if you are a family making less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes go up: not your capital gains tax, not your payroll tax, not your income tax, no taxes, your taxes will not go up."
OH..and he never raised taxes on those making over $250,000 in an historic compromise that was reached in December 2010.

(By the way, he was in favor of letting the Bush tax cuts EXPIRE for the super wealthy, which is hardly a tax raise. But regardless, he didn't do it.) Obama has consistently CUT taxes, not raised them.

REAGAN: He got through a big tax cut once he took office. But to hear conservatives talk, that's where the story ends. Actually, the rest of his years in office he RAISED taxes... 11 times, including four massive tax increases!



DEFICIT SPENDING


Whether you are looking at the economic policies of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush, reining in the deficit was clearly of no concern

REAGAN: Until W., the result was unprecedented government debt. Reagan tripled the Gross Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion. Ford and Carter in their combined terms could only double it. It took 31 years to accomplish the first postwar debt tripling, yet Reagan did it in eight.

Another stat for ya:

Public debt to GDP ratio:

Before Reagan 33%
After Reagan and Bush I 64%
After Clinton 57%
After Bush II 69%
--www.usgovernmentspending.com


Reagan soared the spending, Clinton brought in back down a bit, and W. took it way back up.


To be fair to the Gipper, NO ONE did deficit like W. He spent the Clinton suprlus like a drunken sailor. And by the way, Obama's spending initiatives were less than half of his predecessor. (Where were the teabaggers yelping then?)


OBAMA: Even though Obama inherited a massive debt from W., and focused on a stimulus that benefited the people instead of Bush's stimulus for Wall Street, he still has a much better record on spending than the Gipper and much better than W. Obama did not triple the gross federal debt like Reagan did. Obama is following the Clinton model of spending up front and then focusing on deficit reduction. I predict at the end of Obama's term in 2016, the deficit will be cut drastically--but it can't be anywhere close to what Reagan or Bush had at the end of their two terms. Why? Because the GOP loves to throw money at their base...tax cuts for Big Oil and the wealthiest amongst us which add hundreds of billions to the debt but create nothing. That ain't happening--you are welcome teabaggers.


GUN CONTROL
Props for this. Conservatives sweep this under the rug.

REAGAN: COMPLETELY supported the Brady Bill, the holy grail of gun control. Reagan even wrote an op-ed piece for it in the evil NY Times.

OBAMA: The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence flunked Obama on every single gun control issue. Proposed nothing for federal gun control laws even with a super majority Dem Congress.

Yet the NRA hates Obama? Obama Derangement Syndrome strikes again.


So what's the verdict? Conservatives love affair with Reagan and their hate affair with Obama seems to be bassackwards. I submit it was REAGAN who was the illegal amnesty-supporting, gun control loving, deficit spending, tax raising, terrorist coddling coward. (As for family values, he was estranged from his children to boot.)

Challenge a conservative to disprove anything I mentioned here. I supported it with the facts. Just be prepared for all kinds of name-calling.


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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2012, 07:35:33 AM »
Reagan negotiated his policies with the Democratic Speaker of the House, Tip O’Neill. Many Democrats voted with Reagan to cut taxes, and Reagan subsequently signed multiple pieces of legislation raising taxes to cut down on deficits


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Gaybama does not even do that with his own party.   

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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2012, 09:49:04 AM »


Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures


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Spending reductions, including a $31 billion cut in spending in 1981, close to 5% of the federal budget then, or the equivalent of about $175 billion in spending cuts for the year today.  In constant dollars, nondefense discretionary spending declined by 14.4% from 1981 to 1982, and by 16.8% from 1981 to 1983.  Moreover, in constant dollars, this nondefense discretionary spending never returned to its 1981 level for the rest of Reagan’s two terms!  Even with the Reagan defense buildup, which won the Cold War without firing a shot, total federal spending declined from a high of 23.5% of GDP in 1983 to 21.3% in 1988 and 21.2% in 1989.  That’s a real reduction in the size of government relative to the economy of 10%.
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This segment of this man's writing is completely disingenuous. For example, the author talks about spending reductions, but then cites "nondefense discretionary" spending. LOL, of course the size of the government relative to GDP shrank if we conveniently exclude defense and entitlement spending from our calculations. The author then performs a major of sleight of hand by saying, 'even when we include defense spending, the government shrank.' This still leaves out entitlement spending, and this is no accident: entitlement spending went from $197.1 billion in 1981 to $477 billion in 1987, largely due to bills Reagan explicitly signed into law. Once this fact is accounted for, all of the statistics I cited hold true: under Reagan the government grew significantly, began taking a bigger piece of the national income in tax revenue, increased its workforce, added departments, and tripled the national debt.

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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 02:57:53 AM »
This segment of this man's writing is completely disingenuous. For example, the author talks about spending reductions, but then cites "nondefense discretionary" spending. LOL, of course the size of the government relative to GDP shrank if we conveniently exclude defense and entitlement spending from our calculations. The author then performs a major of sleight of hand by saying, 'even when we include defense spending, the government shrank.' This still leaves out entitlement spending, and this is no accident: entitlement spending went from $197.1 billion in 1981 to $477 billion in 1987, largely due to bills Reagan explicitly signed into law. Once this fact is accounted for, all of the statistics I cited hold true: under Reagan the government grew significantly, began taking a bigger piece of the national income in tax revenue, increased its workforce, added departments, and tripled the national debt.

Tripled the national debt?

Wow bump for all the repub saying Obama is no good with the economy.

I guess Reagan was an economic failure?

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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2012, 08:40:35 AM »
Reagan handled worse U.S. economic situation much better
UPI Outside View ^ | July 27 | PETER MORICI


Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2012

America is all about private enterprise, and without leadership that believes in the primacy of the private sector, it can’t succeed.

The U.S. Commerce Department reported Friday the U.S. economy grew only 1.5 percent in the second quarter, down from 2.0 percent the previous period.

Consumer spending slowed under the weight of growing pessimism about the effectiveness of U.S. President Barack Obama's economic program and a growing sense that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney won't unseat him. The president leads in polls in most swing states and the president has made clear his intention to double down on interventionist economic policies.

The trade deficit worsened, increasing its drag on domestic demand and gross domestic product. Administration curbs on domestic oil production and his failure to address Chinese currency manipulation -- the two principal causes of the gapping $600 billion trade deficit and hole in domestic demand -- slow growth more and more each quarter. In the second quarter, the increase in the trade deficit subtracted 7-10ths of a percentage point from growth, or more than $100 billion and 1 million jobs.

The president argues he inherited a big economic mess but so too did Ronald Reagan. During Reagan's first term, unemployment peaked at 10.4 percent in contrast to 10 percent during Obama's tenure.

Reagan cut taxes, followed through on deregulation initiated by President Jimmy Carter and put his bets on the private sector -- when he faced the voters the economy was growing at better than 6 percent.

Obama has shut down much offshore and Alaskan oil production, invested in failing alternative energy projects, and emphasized heavy regulation and state direction of the economy -- is growth rate during the current recovery is 2.2 percent.

During Reagan's first term, optimism caused more Americans to seek jobs. The percentage of adults participating in the labor force rose and unemployment fell to 7.2 percent by Election Day.

Since Obama took office, record numbers of Americans have become discouraged and quit looking for work, and the unemployment rate has not fallen nearly as much as it did for Reagan. It hangs at more than 8 percent and few economists expect it to fall much further.

The difference is plain: Reagan acted to unleash the creative energies of the private sector while Obama has moved in the opposite direction.

America is all about private enterprise, and without leadership that believes in the primacy of the private sector, it can't succeed.

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(Peter Morici is an economist and professor at the Smith School of Business, University of Maryland, and widely published columnist.)

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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2012, 09:38:00 AM »
blah blah blah, yada yada yada....

I'll put it simply:

Reaganomics worked vs obamanonics isn't
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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2012, 10:53:52 AM »
blah blah blah, yada yada yada....

I'll put it simply:

Reaganomics worked vs obamanonics isn't

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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2012, 01:19:44 PM »
Obamanomics is a failure compared to every other "omics" in recent American history.

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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2012, 07:31:09 PM »
Obamanomics is a failure compared to every other "omics" in recent American history.
Not that Im a believer in Obama, but it DOES look like quite a swing compared to all but the 80's recession.

That chart shows an almost return to zero from -8 million. The others are net swings of 2,3,6 and 10 million.

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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2012, 07:37:27 PM »
Not that Im a believer in Obama, but it DOES look like quite a swing compared to all but the 80's recession.

That chart shows an almost return to zero from -8 million. The others are net swings of 2,3,6 and 10 million.

I'll post my chart tommorow showing this is no fluke.   This has been the worst recovery on record.   ObamaCare, Dodd frank, etc all killed off the recovery. 

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Re: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2012, 07:50:08 PM »
Obama lied, America died.