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« on: July 06, 2012, 10:51:38 AM »

Hello Getbiggers:

I recently spent a lazy day reading the various threads at Getbig regarding speculation, innuendo, rumor and factual information about g4p / gay for pay in the bodybuilding circuit, and the derogatorily so-called “schmoes” who willingly pay for it all.

I have been gladly paying for muscle worship from top pros and amateur bodybuilders all over the world for my over two decades. So I suppose that makes me a fairly prominent and active “schmoe”.  I first heard the term “schmoe” used by a bodybuilder back in 1992 to describe another client who was more well-known, and I was then told that there are schmoes for both male and female bodybuilders; before that, I didn’t know there was actually such an inside term used by some bodybuilders to describe in general what I was starting to get into.  “Clients”, “supporters” and in high-finance cases, “sponsor” were the terms I was more familiar with, and the ones I used and to continue to use in my dealings with bodybuilders.

I have always maintained discretion and privacy in my dealings, as I have worked hard in my chosen professional field and become very successful and known with my industry circles; therefore, just as I am not too particularly fond of staining my professional or social reputation, I treat all bodybuilders, athletes and models as if they deserve a similar need for discretion.

I have noticed there’s some truth but many false assumptions and misconceptions about what I know to be both sides of g4p bodybuilding – the bodybuilder and the sponsor, client or schmoe.

So I am starting this thread so that Getbiggers can ask me – a real life, experienced sponsor / client / schmoe -- ANYTHING. I will try to answer all questions as much as I can, without going past my own personal limits (what those are, of course, are for me to decide).
As I continue to hire / sponsor bodybuilders, pro, amateur and aspiring, and I want to maintain their trust, please note that I am not here on an outing exhibition. That does not necessarily preclude me from naming names when I feel it is relatively harmless, important or necessary.

That all being said, I will give you some more background on me:

Sorry to disappoint some of your comedic intentions, but I’m not some old, fat, out-of-shape queeny guy (although the reality of that stereotype very much exists in the client / sponsor field).  I’m in my early 40s, fit and exercise regularly, but I have always, always admired muscle. As mentioned before, I worked very hard and aggressively in my chosen career field starting at an early age working on Wall Street, and did very well for myself. This left me little time to do much else, but I have managed to find time for some renting and sponsoring bodybuilders and muscle escorts, which I still do to this day.

I am still based in the New York City metro area for business purposes, but own a few other properties in warmer clients; I have taken appointments with bodybuilders all over, and have quite often invited them to visit me or travel with me.

Although I do not now, I spent a sizable amount of time in committed relationships with women, mostly due to societal, family and business pressures. This probably only enhanced my need to hire. After a while, I disclosed my penchant for bodybuilders to one lady friend, who for a brief period until our breakup, became very supportive and helpful in my search for bodybuilders. Now, however, my relationships are same-sex only, and I feel there is no need for me for a front. Yet, I still choose to be a somewhat private person.

Although I prefer to maintain a comfortable distance from many other clients – some of which would probably better physically fall into the Getbig perceived idea of a “schmoe” – I am socially friendly with a number of others.  In a lot of cases, there is a network of shared information, and some are more talkative, braggadocios or loose-lipped than others, while others may share my code of discretion.  In addition, particularly in my earlier years; this for me was the late 80s to early 90s. I was fortunate enough to meet older bodybuilding sponsors who were in and out of the bodybuilding circuit or the gay social networking scene. During this time, I also met some older bodybuilders, who once comfortable with me and felt I was legit, gave me further insight into the subculture and told stories.

I have sponsored competitive bodybuilders over the years, from pros to top and promising amateurs. I have also been a client for bodybuilder escorts and rentboys, hiring regulars and hiring one-offs. I am well-traveled and have dealt with bodybuilders all over the planet, in quite a few countries besides the USA. This business relationship happens everywhere, although the approach and expectations vary depending on the culture of the land.

I have done a lot of clever and interesting things over the years to meet potential bodybuilders to sponsor or hire. Sometimes it has been as simple as taking candy from a baby; other times, it was much more detailed, elaborate and long-term.

We all have our “types” / preferences.  I tend to go for “the bigger, the better” – meaning superheavies, heavies and sometimes light heavies.  Color has never really been a big issue for me, and I have dealt with many bodybuilders of all races, all over the globe.  Actually, I probably tend to gravitate to bodybuilders with more color in them. So, in the States at least, that sets me a little apart from other, older schmoes, who tend to prefer to deal with only white guys.

Masculinity is also a huge turn-on to me, and I find that to be a must-have, not just a nice-to-have, when I am sponsoring or hiring.  However, over the years, I can without a doubt attest that the manliness of the bodybuilder may have little to do with what is done with the individual client behind closed doors (also, I have found that mileage may vary – often, what one bodybuilder may do with me, they may do something totally different with another “schmoe”, depending on their level of comfort, business arrangement or level of physical attraction / interest in the client. I have had everything from private posing sessions with no or little contact to muscle worship to full-on safe sexual intercourse. It depends on who it is, the arrangement, and the mood I am in.

I do feel that many of the posters here are very naďve. I am attributing that to their lack of travel and worldliness. The g4p relationship happens all over the world, and in varying forms, with men of all shapes and sizes. Bodybuilders are not exempt at all from this practice. Money is often the most enticing factor, but there can be others as well. Also, the concept of “gay” is very much a Western world construct, but that does not mean that homosexual activity between men is not common. On the contrary, it is quite a common practice everywhere; the expression of it, however, is very different here in the USA than it may be elsewhere. Therefore, there are a lot of men everywhere whose sexual behavior is fluid, who would not consider themselves “gay” at all. In many parts of the world, that label is only for out of the closet feminine men, 100% bottoms and/or drag queens and trannies; meanwhile, others are free to discreetly enjoy or get paid for homosex and go back to their straight lives without any interruption. Yes, this applies to bodybuilders as well.

Even in gay circles, my continued attraction and interest in bodybuilders and men with big freaky muscle is probably now, more than ever, considered unusual and odd.  The huge look that I love so much was probably most popular in the 90s to early 2000s. However, increasingly much to my disappointment, gay men (and straight women) are more and more attracted to the lean, sinewy types – which is making the sport and culture of bodybuilding even more of a subculture. My friends / colleagues like “model types” that I call “twinks”, and some of them will do what I do for bodybuilders, and yes, there is a circuit for that as well – although I don’t think the clients are derogatorily called “schmoes” (though I do hear “sponsors” as well). I say this to let some of you know that the bodybuilding hardcore fan base is becoming increasingly limited. However, those of us sponsors, clients and “schmoes” who have this interest or fetish in bodybuilding are here to stay, and in most cases, bring major support to the sport.

Think of g4p in bodybuilding sort of like the blatantly obviously gay uncle that was often cast on old TV shows such as “Bewitched” – everyone knew he existed and knew his deal, but no one really talked about it, but still everyone liked him and didn’t ask any questions because he was fun at parties and gatherings, he kept the lights on, worked the church organ, and/or often brought everyone gifts and helped with the financial bottom line.

So, Getbiggers, with that intro, now it’s your turn….

As a real life bodybuilding sponsor, client, “schmoe”, ASK ME ANYTHING about g4p / gay for pay / sponsoring / schmoeing in men’s bodybuilding. I’ll try to answer as comfortably as I can.

I accept private messages and emails as well, if you would rather not ask me in the public forum.

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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2012, 08:57:41 AM »

What is the most and least you spent. And what did the bber do?
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2012, 09:30:44 AM »

What is the most and least you spent. And what did the bber do?

Great question. If we're just talking "per session" or "per visit":

Most spent on a real-life competitive BBer (meaning, a top IFBB / NPC / similar federation BBer): $5,000 (not including other incidentals)

Most spent on a BBer who looked like a competitive BBer but was not: $750

Least spent on a real-life competitive BBer (meaning, a BBer who competed in a regional, national or international contest): $150

Least spent on a BBer who looked like a competitive BBer but was not: $50

I'm putting this into USD since some experiences have been outside USD and require conversion rates.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2012, 09:44:11 AM »

Come to think of it, around 2003, I did spend $1k on a New Jersey bodybuilder stripper (non-comp) one night to get him back to my hotel suite from the strip club. That was a one time thing and I later avoided his calls and requests for future help, because he was lame and so not worth it. Maybe the one time I went out against my better judgment and went outside of what I know to be "current market value".
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2012, 10:30:18 AM »

Hey YD:

Yea the $5K is grossly under-estimated.  The "care, maintenance, and growing" of a pro-bber requires much more in terms of financial contributions.
I speak both from having received as a sponsoree and given as a current sponsor. The amount, at least, is more likely $5000 a month to exist. Also if you got something else in addition to money to bring to the table (like being a doctor and knowing all about muscle, knowing all about roids, peptides, gh, etc), it helps. Being a bber or at least looking like you know your way around a gym also helps.

Much of what you say is very true. Hey G4P exists, even though current bodybuilding heirarchy "sticks its head in the sand".

Hey when I was competing several of the judges and production promoters tried to hit on me!!! They probably still do.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2012, 10:51:27 AM »

Hey YD:

Yea the $5K is grossly under-estimated.  The "care, maintenance, and growing" of a pro-bber requires much more in terms of financial contributions.
I speak both from having received as a sponsoree and given as a current sponsor. The amount, at least, is more likely $5000 a month to exist. Also if you got something else in addition to money to bring to the table (like being a doctor and knowing all about muscle, knowing all about roids, peptides, gh, etc), it helps. Being a bber or at least looking like you know your way around a gym also helps.

Much of what you say is very true. Hey G4P exists, even though current bodybuilding heirarchy "sticks its head in the sand".

Hey when I was competing several of the judges and production promoters tried to hit on me!!! They probably still do.

USMC:

Was there a question in there? Please submit your posts in the form of a question only.  Tongue

Like I said upthread, my answers were only for a "per session / per visit" basis only. I was not talking about long-term or stipend type arrangement, which I have had as well, and I could address that, if asked. I do agree with your numbers on those, but only some BBers are even deemed worthy of such kind of support. It's about supply and demand.

As for having to look like a bodybuilder to be a sponsor, client or schmoe, I have to disagree. Maybe that worked for you, but I don't have that look (although I remain very fit) and I NEVER had any problems meeting bodybuilders. If you HONESTLY (not faking it) have the money and the connections they need or crave, you don't have to look like one of their workout partners at all. In fact, most of the ones I know prefer you not to look like that, for one reason or another.

That being said, many "schmoes" don't fit the stereotypical look. Though some really do!

Keep the Q&A coming.
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2012, 10:57:18 AM »

Hey YD:

Yea the $5K is grossly under-estimated. 

BTW, none of my numbers are "estimated". These are my true personal experiences over 20 years.  Your mileage may, of course, vary. However, I'm in the real market, and these are/were my real numbers. There were, however, other fringe benefits I could provide, so perhaps there is a sliding scale. Or maybe they just liked me. Who knows, and who cares? It's all a Mutual Benefit Society.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2012, 11:03:54 AM »


Hey when I was competing several of the judges and production promoters tried to hit on me!!! They probably still do.

Happens a lot. Quite a few judges and promoters or contest workers are gay or bisexual. I judged a few NPC contests. Although I was professional during my stint, I know a few who couldn't help themselves. Off the top of my head. one guy on the East Coast (failed competitor) still works the major contests and shows behind the scenes, some very big ones, AND pimps himself out. Been doing it for years. I doubt it could be a huge secret still.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2012, 11:04:20 AM »

how 'forward' can you be when talking to a BB about being some sort of 'sponsor'? meaning, in your initial visit, do you outline what you are looking to do and what his level of participation will be?  do you wait after a few more sessions to see if he would be interested in more $$ for more involvement? In other words, i'd be happy to pay for a chance to touch muscles and offer up a blow job with the BB not reciprocating, but if I really like what i see i'd like to more into anal play; both top and bottom.  How do you decide how far you can go with the BB.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2012, 11:40:33 AM »

how 'forward' can you be when talking to a BB about being some sort of 'sponsor'? meaning, in your initial visit, do you outline what you are looking to do and what his level of participation will be?  do you wait after a few more sessions to see if he would be interested in more $$ for more involvement? In other words, i'd be happy to pay for a chance to touch muscles and offer up a blow job with the BB not reciprocating, but if I really like what i see i'd like to more into anal play; both top and bottom.  How do you decide how far you can go with the BB.

Great questions.

It's not much different than picking up a girl (or a guy) in an unfamiliar environment. Or similar in some cases to getting past 1st base with a stripper on the pole. Make general, open-ended statements that could be taken either way and if they are curious or take the bait, they will follow-up with questions, where you can just get narrower and narrower in your responses and questions until you two come to an understanding. That way, if he starts to get weirded out or uncomfortable, he walks before too much is said. Often, they may walk away but continue the conversation later in a more private setting. Some wannabe sponsors or schmoes have no fucking discretion and in their desperate attempts to secure a BBer, say too much too soon and freak them out. You have to let them know (1) you are trustworthy and discreet (this has always been the utmost of importance, in my experience, as the internet has become more popular and information is more quickly widespread) (2) you are a real Sugar Daddy, not a fake one with Sweet & Low (a lot of pretenders out there; even the cheaper ones do not consider themselves ho's).

I have usually already shown a bit of the sugar daddy on my sponsor side before I have my first encounter (business lunch, etc) so the competitive BBer already knows I am real by the time we have our first "visit". If it is a rentboy or stripper, it's much easier, just spell it out before anything.

But I am telling you: sponsoring is like polo or drossage; it's a rich man's sport, not a poor man's game and should NOT be attempted by someone who can't afford it. The pathetic "schmoes" are the ones who compete too hard to play on that field yet have little to offer. And there are quite a few of those who ruin it for the best of us.

I have not had to wait very long to establish what the nature of the relationship would be and what is expected. I don't think it's cool to try to trick or sneak someone into something. However, trust and discretion are mutually important in these situations. I am still friendly or cool with most of the BBers I have ever dealt with, and that's because we show each other mutual respect, and have no need to be deceptive or to engage in trickery.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2012, 12:36:49 PM »

Here's a story I know. Some of it first-hand, other told to me by one of the participants. I will mention one name since it is publicly known and has already been admitted by the BBer what he did, the other name I will withhold due to his privacy.

Chris Duffy was advertising in mags as Bull Stanton and was traveling taking appointments. This was a few years after he made the 2 gay porn movies, so I didn't know what shape he was in but he used photos from that movie, so I hired him for a session.

He came by my suite. He was no longer in contest shape, or in the shape from those porno flicks, but he was a nice, friendly guy and good for a romp in the hay. As what most people do when they see a suite like this, he started to ask me what I did for a living, which I somewhat shared with him, and he started to open up a bit more about how he got into porn from bodybuilding, then escorting. Actually, in his case, he said, the escorting came first, but only from schmoes and sponsors in the scene, not publicly like it was by then with ads and internet posts. He was approached for porn by a visiting gay pornographer who knew one of his sponsors, then seduced him for sex, then when they were in an open relationship, convinced him to make 1 or 2 gay pornos.

I asked Chris / Bull if he felt there was a lot of gay / g4p activity on the down low in the bodybuilding industry. He said it's there but like old time 50s Hollywood, it is kept secret. Then he told me a story of something that happened to him in the 90s, right after it became a whisper campaign that he shot a gay porno. He was at a big contest in CA, in the audience by himself, and a very top IFBB bodybuilder sat next to him in the back of the auditorium. When I say, VERY top, I mean about as top as one could get. Black, very respected and revered, still to this day. He sat and watched the whole contest with Chris, and halfway through the show, the guy out of nowhere grabs Chris's hand and holds it and places it on his crotch and has Chris holding his dick. He leaves it there for almost the rest of the show. No words were said, just the crotch grabbing in the back in the dark.

Of course, this is all third-party hearsay, which cannot be used in a court of law. But I'm just telling you what he told directly to me, after an already well-paid session with him, and a gorgeous view of the city from my suite.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2012, 01:51:06 PM »

Great question. If we're just talking "per session" or "per visit":

Most spent on a real-life competitive BBer (meaning, a top IFBB / NPC / similar federation BBer): $5,000 (not including other incidentals)

Most spent on a BBer who looked like a competitive BBer but was not: $750

Least spent on a real-life competitive BBer (meaning, a BBer who competed in a regional, national or international contest): $150

Least spent on a BBer who looked like a competitive BBer but was not: $50

I'm putting this into USD since some experiences have been outside USD and require conversion rates.
you left out what they did for that price.  what did the bber do for 50 bucks?
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2012, 04:52:50 PM »

you left out what they did for that price.  what did the bber do for 50 bucks?

You didn't ask that at first.

What they did, it really deoends on: the person, under what circumstances I met them and the "going rates" there, where in the world I was, what I or they felt like doing, and how desperate they were. I've had some unknown competitive BBers in other parts of the world (where it's much easier to do, because they're not as fucked up in the head about men's fluid sexuality as they are in the Puritan USA) for around that price in US dollars, and we've done it all -- yes, ALL. I've met some here in the States coming out of gyms or in public areas, and didn't pay much more than that sometimes, not often. I've hired some BBers for much more and sometimes done less. It's all about coming to a meeting of the minds during the negotiation. It's not really menu-driven.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2012, 08:15:16 AM »

You didn't ask that at first.

What they did, it really deoends on: the person, under what circumstances I met them and the "going rates" there, where in the world I was, what I or they felt like doing, and how desperate they were. I've had some unknown competitive BBers in other parts of the world (where it's much easier to do, because they're not as fucked up i n the head about men's fluid sexuality as they are in the Puritan USA) for around that price in US dollars, and we've done it all -- yes, ALL. I've met some here in the States coming out of gyms or in public areas, and didn't pay much more than that sometimes, not often. I've hired some BBers for much more and sometimes done less. It's all about coming to a meeting of the minds during the negotiation. It's not really menu-driven.
Epic avoiding the question. Bay> yelladawg
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2012, 09:38:27 AM »

Epic avoiding the question. Bay> yelladawg

Sorry you didn't get the answer you wanted. However, I did answer your question. I am not going to provide you a menu of services performed at what price because that never existed for me.

I am definitely NOT Bay, however. Our tastes in men are quite different (with some exceptions).
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2012, 03:41:30 AM »

How easy is it for you to develop a base of reference and referral?  Know several competitive bbers who do heavy cycles, and will kick back for bodyworship and oral, noting that they make $1k for there services
without reciprocation on their part. They try to get one or two sponsors only, so all is kept real quite. Seems like a real easy way to supplement income.
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2012, 05:36:14 AM »

a buddy of mine, who is a licensed massage therapist attends all the free Venice Beach contests ( memorial day, 4th july, labor day ) and passes out his cards to the crowd members he finds interesting. contestants and attendees. chats them up, offers them a one hour free session - if they like the massage and want to continue then he charges. he has had very good luck with a few guys - all str8/married or with gfs - take him up on his free offer. over half of them have ended with the BB getting a hardon and asking if my buddy would take care of it. one of them wanted to be fucked. he ended up seeing my friend for several months; called him up after working out and before going back home. a drop by fuck. thats all; i was there one time and got to add to the fun.  he walks in, says hi, goes to the bedroom, strips and gets up on all fours. doesnt want foreplay-just a good hard simple fucking. ah, to be in southern CA again!
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2012, 07:37:42 AM »

Isn't there a G4P service run out of Gold's Venice-- the pimp being a former contest pro who gets $500 kick back to arrange introductions? Marine bud would drive up to LA every weekend to lift at Gold's, kick back, and drive home with some serious bank.
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2012, 01:49:09 PM »

Isn't there a G4P service run out of Gold's Venice-- the pimp being a former contest pro who gets $500 kick back to arrange introductions? Marine bud would drive up to LA every weekend to lift at Gold's, kick back, and drive home with some serious bank.
didnt beefy say one bber tribs in the Gold's locker room? I forget dudes name....
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2012, 02:42:54 PM »

Hey Yella! Thanks for posting this, and thanks for being so classy with your responses. My question is multi-faceted: Do sponsors typically know what they're looking to do before they approach someone, and are sponsor's expected to do all of the soliciting? In other words, how forward can a young bodybuilder be in reaching out for assistance? We all know that guys with cheesy worship sites are a dime-a-dozen, but how much is appropriate?

I'm training for my first competition now, and though I feel like I have a long way yet to go, I'm on the right track. I've been told for years that I have the build to get big and to take advantage of my potential. Now that I have, all this talk of G4P and "schmoes" just really has my mind spinning. I'm pretty sure that I've been approached by gentlemen in my gym that are a little "too interested" in my growth and my goals, and I wonder if those could have been potential sponsors based on the things they would say to me. Is it silly/bigheaded of me to think that someone would really approach me in the way that you do in your circles? And if it were to ever happen, should I really just leave it up to the sponsor to approach me? How often do you think bbr's solicit "schmoes" and get shut down for barking up the wrong tree? lol It all just seems like such a secret that you really know the passwords to get involved.

That was a lot of questions, but hey, if you're feeling bored one day... Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2012, 09:17:07 AM »

How easy is it for you to develop a base of reference and referral?  Know several competitive bbers who do heavy cycles, and will kick back for bodyworship and oral, noting that they make $1k for there services
without reciprocation on their part. They try to get one or two sponsors only, so all is kept real quite. Seems like a real easy way to supplement income.


USMC:

I think there are different approaches to being a sponsor / client, depending on what the sponsor has to offer. In other words, is the sponsor well connected in the sport, in any other sport, or in medicine, or in media / entertainment, or is he just flat-out wealthy? If he has one of those attributes, then honestly, there isn't much need for a network of referrals. He already has the goods, in that case. Personally, I have never had to work in groups, or do things like work the internet muscle worship sites, trolling for muscle. I find the ones that do either of these things (in general, although there are some exceptions) really do not have much to offer the bodybuilder, and usually are just trying to leech.

I do know a few guys that, like me, that have the goods and are legitimate private sponsors of bodybuilders. I also know (or know of) a few who like to call themselves "sponsors" but really are just glorified johns for escorts and the like... sometimes there is overlap; but often not. It's important to understand the difference. A true sponsor can and is quite willing to sustain your bodybuilding career for an extended period of time. The others are johns or clients (a nicer word).

I know of one physician in the Northeast (dermatologist). Older guy, really atrocious-looking, looks like a stereotypical "schmoe", or just a stereotypical old gay doctor. HUGE schmoe. Because of his age, looks, and overall old gay man appearance, he does go through referrals and references, even down to writing scripts for juice and GH for "patients" who turn around and use them to give to their BBers. He's been doing this for YEARS. He had a stable of competitive and wannabe BBers that would come to him for "dermatological advice".

The big party given at another doctor's Manhattan house that used to be post-NOC, but now may be post-NY Pro, has some regular, well-healed schmoes and sponsors mixed in with some top competitors. If you could get an invite to this party, you're golden. If you aren't part of the circle and/or can't bring in some new BBer meat for those leering eyes, then you are of no use to them. This party has a mix of doctors, lawyers, bankers, Broadway producers, ad executives, supplement company owners, photographers, party promoters, competition judges, NPC and IFBB competitors, and wives and girlfriends.

More later. Keep the questions coming.
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2012, 09:29:26 AM »

a buddy of mine, who is a licensed massage therapist attends all the free Venice Beach contests ( memorial day, 4th july, labor day ) and passes out his cards to the crowd members he finds interesting. contestants and attendees. chats them up, offers them a one hour free session - if they like the massage and want to continue then he charges. he has had very good luck with a few guys - all str8/married or with gfs - take him up on his free offer. over half of them have ended with the BB getting a hardon and asking if my buddy would take care of it. one of them wanted to be fucked. he ended up seeing my friend for several months; called him up after working out and before going back home. a drop by fuck. thats all; i was there one time and got to add to the fun.  he walks in, says hi, goes to the bedroom, strips and gets up on all fours. doesnt want foreplay-just a good hard simple fucking. ah, to be in southern CA again!

There are guys who hand out cards at almost every competition, some are less discreet than others. One guy even leaves his cards on the sinks in the men's rooms at the shows! However, if you have a worthy, legitimate service to offer (not putting something on your card like "schmoe" or "sponsorship available"), then hell, go for it.

I am a bit of a snob with my contact info in every aspect of life. I do not give it out freely, and that includes my business card.

Back in the early days, I did experiment with placing ads in bodybuilding magazines. That can have mixed results, but I did end up having a few sponsorship relationships with some competitors, top and otherwise.
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2012, 09:34:43 AM »

Isn't there a G4P service run out of Gold's Venice-- the pimp being a former contest pro who gets $500 kick back to arrange introductions? Marine bud would drive up to LA every weekend to lift at Gold's, kick back, and drive home with some serious bank.

I believe this is a story from the late 70s to early 80s. Not the same scene at Gold's Venice nowadays.
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2012, 09:49:30 AM »

Hey Yella! Thanks for posting this, and thanks for being so classy with your responses. My question is multi-faceted: Do sponsors typically know what they're looking to do before they approach someone, and are sponsor's expected to do all of the soliciting? In other words, how forward can a young bodybuilder be in reaching out for assistance? We all know that guys with cheesy worship sites are a dime-a-dozen, but how much is appropriate?

I'm training for my first competition now, and though I feel like I have a long way yet to go, I'm on the right track. I've been told for years that I have the build to get big and to take advantage of my potential. Now that I have, all this talk of G4P and "schmoes" just really has my mind spinning. I'm pretty sure that I've been approached by gentlemen in my gym that are a little "too interested" in my growth and my goals, and I wonder if those could have been potential sponsors based on the things they would say to me. Is it silly/bigheaded of me to think that someone would really approach me in the way that you do in your circles? And if it were to ever happen, should I really just leave it up to the sponsor to approach me? How often do you think bbr's solicit "schmoes" and get shut down for barking up the wrong tree? lol It all just seems like such a secret that you really know the passwords to get involved.

That was a lot of questions, but hey, if you're feeling bored one day... Smiley

Yngclassic:

Yes, sponsors are VERY much aware in advance what they are looking for in a bodybuilder and what they expect out of the relationship. However, if you are comfortable with "the dance", then you as a bodybuilder should not feel wary about making an approach to a potential sponsor. By "the dance", I mean you provide a little open-ended, suggestive info; if they bite, they will give more back, then you give more, then he does, until you come to a mutual meeting of the minds.

Also, I would be cautious in dealing with the worship websites. Needless to say, those guys can be scam artists, and very much can behave like vampires just looking for new blood. Remember, you want discretion, and you would want a client who would want discretion for himself as well. A lot of the so-called sponsors on certain worship sites, even the webmasters, can babble and gossip like 14 year old girls, or brag about their conquests to groups of friends. Others have not yet figured out that nothing is ever private on the internet. So proceed with caution.

It sounds like the approaches at your gym do have the potential for g4p/ muscle admiration / sponsorship.  Remain approachable and friendly and keep your comments open-ended, and you may be surprised where it may end up. Think of it like how many girls do harmless public flirting. It allows the guy to make the big moves, and she can back away at any time if it starts to get too weird for her. But a guy who wants more will usually pick up on it and take more of the lead.

So casually bring up in conversations what your BBing goals are, and see if there is any followup on their part.
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2012, 10:32:42 AM »

Thanks Yella! Its still interesting to think about the bodybuilding lifestyle as a subculture when it seems so important to those of us within it. You've mentioned that in the 80's and 90's when bodybuilding was "big" there was more acceptance for the sport... do you think we could ever return to that way of thinking, or will it continue to shrink further into a mere niche?

Yngclassic:

Yes, sponsors are VERY much aware in advance what they are looking for in a bodybuilder and what they expect out of the relationship. However, if you are comfortable with "the dance", then you as a bodybuilder should not feel wary about making an apporach to a potential sponsor. By "the dance", I mean you provide a little oen-ended, suggestive info; if they bite, they will give more back, then you give more, then he does, until you come to a mutual meeting of the minds.

Also, I would be cautious on dealing with the worship websites. Needless to say, those guys can be scam artists, and very much can behave like vampires just looking for new blood. Remember, you want discretion, and you would want a client who would want discretion for himself as well. A lot of the so-called sponsors on certain worship sites, even the webmasters, can babble and gossip like 14 year old girls, or brag about their conquests to groups of friends. Others have not yet figured out that nothing is ever private on the internet. So proceed with caution.

It sounds like the apporoaches at your gym do have the potential for g4p/ muscle admiration / sponsorship.  Remain approachable and friendly and keep your comments open-ended, and you may be surprsied where it may end up. Think of it like how many girls do harmless public flirting. It allows the guy to make the big moves, and she can back away at any time if it starts to get too weird for her. But a guy who wants more will usually pick up on it and take more of the lead.

So casually bring up in conversations what your BBing goals are, and see if there is any followup on their part.
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