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what's the pic supposed to mean

btw - when do you think Obama will drop out

Will it be before the convention or after

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what's the pic supposed to mean

btw - when do you think Obama will drop out

Will it be before the convention or after

How is he paying down anything when we have a 1.3 trillion deficit?   Come on man, take off the blinders. 

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How is he paying down anything when we have a 1.3 trillion deficit?   Come on man, take off the blinders. 

learn to read

I didn't say he was paying DOWN anything

the last POTUS to pay down debt was Clinton


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learn to read

I didn't say he was paying DOWN anything

the last POTUS to pay down debt was Clinton



Did the debt ever go down year over year?  Yes or no?

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Romneys plan is lower taxes on the wealthy and less regulation

And capping nonmilitary discretionary spending and reforming Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security in order to balance the budget in the long term.

What has been Obama's plan for eventual fiscal responsibility, which would help bring back confidence to business? He doesn't have one - besides promises to raise taxes, which would be disastrous.

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even though that has never worked in creating jobs and only resulted in larger deficits and more industrial accidents that seems to be irrelevent to the Romney campaign

The actual economic data seems to be irrelevant to you, such as this econometric study conducted by two Harvard economists proving that tax cuts are more stimulatory than spending and that spending cuts are a better way to balance the budget than tax hikes.

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Dems shold give Repubs nothing unless they get compromises and true bipartisanship
If the Repubs plan is to say "give us exactly what we want and in return we'll give you nothing that you want" then why would the Dems do that?

Why should either side compromise on principle when both can work on things they agree on? Like, say, the Audit the Fed bill which has bipartisan support and passed the House with 3/4 of the vote. Or, say, reforming the tax code to make it simpler. Or reforming Medicare and Social Security to make them more sustainable. Yet it is Obama and the Democrat-controlled Senate which have slowed progress.


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The most basic part of the job of congress is to pass legislation

from that standard the current congress is the most do nothing congress ever



Notice that that graph is for Congress, not the House. The Senate has been controlled by the Democrats and it has been the chief killer of new bills passed in the Republican-controlled House, like the bipartisan Audit the Fed bill which passed with 3/4 support. The Senate even unanimously rejected Obama's budget proposal when the Republicans forced a vote on it.

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Did the debt ever go down year over year?  Yes or no?

here you go


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Now let's look at Clinton's tenure. Using the public debt figures, we see that the debt rose year by year during the first four fiscal years of Clinton's stewardship, then fell during each of the following four fiscal years, from a 1997 peak to a 2001 trough.

So using this measurement, Clinton is correct that "we paid down the debt for four years," though he did overestimate the amount that was paid down when he said it was $600 billion. The actual amount was $452 billion -- which was equal to about 12 percent of the existing public debt in 1997.

But what about gross federal debt? On this score, NewsBusters is correct: In each fiscal year from 1993 to 2001, the gross federal debt increased, because the increase in money in government trust funds exceeded the annual decreases in the federal budget deficit.
So by one of these measures, Clinton is correct, and by another, he's wrong.



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/23/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-says-his-administration-paid-down-deb/


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And capping nonmilitary discretionary spending and reforming Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security in order to balance the budget in the long term.

What has been Obama's plan for eventual fiscal responsibility, which would help bring back confidence to business? He doesn't have one - besides promises to raise taxes, which would be disastrous.

The actual economic data seems to be irrelevant to you, such as this econometric study conducted by two Harvard economists proving that tax cuts are more stimulatory than spending and that spending cuts are a better way to balance the budget than tax hikes.

Why should either side compromise on principle when both can work on things they agree on? Like, say, the Audit the Fed bill which has bipartisan support and passed the House with 3/4 of the vote. Or, say, reforming the tax code to make it simpler. Or reforming Medicare and Social Security to make them more sustainable. Yet it is Obama and the Democrat-controlled Senate which have slowed progress.




Notice that that graph is for Congress, not the House. The Senate has been controlled by the Democrats and it has been the chief killer of new bills passed in the Republican-controlled House, like the bipartisan Audit the Fed bill which passed with 3/4 support. The Senate even unanimously rejected Obama's budget proposal when the Republicans forced a vote on it.

you'll be happy to know we have massive spending cuts coming when the Bush Tax cuts expire

don't you think that's a great compromise

your side gets the spending cuts they want which benefits both sides and the left get's tax increases which also benefit both sides

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here you go




http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/23/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-says-his-administration-paid-down-deb/



So once the GOP took over in 1994 and Clinton declared the era of big govt was over and they actually worked together to slash spending and do welfare reform things got better right?