“Our rights come from nature and God, not from government"

[garebear]

Im not asking for proof, Im asking for your belief in whether or not God/Any god exists.

How hard of a question is this to answer for you?

it seems like you may have some internal conflict with your views seeing as this question is so difficult for you to answer.

Why would he believe in something there is no evidence for?

Your question doesn't make a lot of sense.

[MCWAY]

Why not stop worshipping and use our brain instead?

And how exactly does worship require that one not use his brain again?

[Straw Man]

I never said you had proof one way or the other...

but you do not believe in God, correct?

what is your reasoning for that?

you should ask better questions

when you say god should I assume you mean Allah or a Christian God or any of the various Hindu God or how about a God we haven't even heard yet.

Here's a better question

Do you believe in Allah ?

My answer would be no

do you believe the historical character we refer to as Jesus:

A:  actually exisited
B:  Was/Is a God


My answers would be

A:  maybe
B:  highly unlikely - i.e. almost certainly no

does that make me an atheist

I would say no it does not although I expect that both muslims and christians would say it does

[240 is Back]

How come God-Given rights aren't given to ppl in other countries, animals, and women/minorities unti recently?

And in 200 years, will "god-given" be defined differently than it is today?  you betcha

[Straw Man]

How come God-Given rights aren't given to ppl in other countries, animals, and women/minorities unti recently?

And in 200 years, will "god-given" be defined differently than it is today?  you betcha

Ryan's statement is just a dog whistle to certain people

With 200+ years of hindsight it's obvious to everyone that even when this country was founded only a certain select group of elites enjoyed the rights allegedly endowed by our "creator"

[Soul Crusher]

Ryan's statement is just a dog whistle to certain people

With 200+ years of hindsight it's obvious to everyone that even when this country was founded only a certain select group of elites enjoyed the rights allegedly endowed by our "creator"

LOL - and as a nation collectively those shortcomings were fixed via a civil war and much civil action. 


Of course you like your communist sock puppet messiah obama think this country is fatally flawed so its no surprise you hate what Ryan said. 

[240 is Back]

LOL - and as a nation collectively those shortcomings were fixed via a civil war and much civil action. 
Of course you like your communist sock puppet messiah obama think this country is fatally flawed so its no surprise you hate what Ryan said. 

33,

Aren't those who pay higher tax rates also subjected to being DENIED their GOD GIVEN RIGHTS?   Why should Joe Sixpack making $75k a year hage to pay 30% in taxes, when Mitt Romney admits he pays 14%?  Or some poor folks pay zero %?

Isn't anything but a flat tax, an affront to God?

[Straw Man]

LOL - and as a nation collectively those shortcomings were fixed via a civil war and much civil action. 


Of course you like your communist sock puppet messiah obama think this country is fatally flawed so its no surprise you hate what Ryan said. 

yeah - those "fixes" came with lot's of bloodshed and millions of people who had the "fix" forced upon them

If a creator really endowed us with "rights" such as life then why not also endow us with healthcare to protect life or maybe we as a nation to "fix" that too.   I'm sure you'd have no problem with that since you've freely acknowledged that flaws in the original plan needed to be fixed and at the federal level and even at the barrel of a gun of the federal governmnet

[Soul Crusher]

yeah - those "fixes" came with lot's of bloodshed and millions of people who had the "fix" forced upon them

If a creator really endowed us with "rights" such as life then why not also endow us with healthcare to protect life or maybe we as a nation to "fix" that too.   I'm sure you'd have no problem with that since you've freely acknowledged that flaws in the original plan needed to be fixed and at the federal level and even at the barrel of a gun of the federal governmnet

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!  Do you understand what "negative liberties" means? 

Even your gay corrupt savior knows the difference.

[Roger Bacon]

If you are a female born in Iran, hey, guess what - those right are certainly "alienable".  You dont get them.

No, they are born with these inalienable rights, but they're being deprived by government.  Same old same old.

[Soul Crusher]

Can anyone tell me what fatal flaw obama is taking about in this clip? 

[240 is Back]

No, they are born with these inalienable rights, but they're being deprived by government.  Same old same old.

So these rights were "alienable" for the last 100k years.   It has only been the last 250 years that suddenly it changed.  For some.

I dunno, I think in 200 years, they'll look back at 2012 and say "how did the people allow X,Y, and Z... those rights are unalienable!"

Our perception is that they are - but for the majory of the world for the majority of the time, they HAVE been taken away.  

it's a nice fairy tale for people who don't buy into santa/easter bunny, but we live by the law of the land - written by man.  That's the bottom line.

[Straw Man]

No, they are born with these inalienable rights, but they're being deprived by government.  Same old same old.

you're certainly free to believe

I don't believe it at all and certainly see no evidence that it's true

[tonymctones]

Why would he believe in something there is no evidence for?

Your question doesn't make a lot of sense.

and his evidence that God doesnt exist?

remember not proving the null does not prove the alternative...its called science....

[tonymctones]

It says "creator"

It doesn't say God... Could be your mom and dad... every person who came before you in your family tree.

I don't see it as a God thing what so ever.

If that's the case, then why didn't God give those rights to people in Syria... Iran... Russia... China... on and on.

simply b/c humans violate those rights doesnt mean they dont stem from God.

I dont see how you guys keep confusing this concept.

[tonymctones]

For those who think that our rights stem from govt.

Do you think that the govt has the right to euthanize its citizens at will?

and that there isnt anything wrong with that after all your rights stem from the govt right?

[LurkerNoMore]

and his evidence that God doesnt exist?

remember not proving the null does not prove the alternative...its called science....

This is not an argument here.  If this is the only thing you can got, then you don't have shit.  This is just a childish tactic for people who can't come up with anything else.

God is a unicorn on roller skates.  Don't believe me?  Then prove he isn't.   

[240 is Back]

For those who think that our rights stem from govt.

Do you think that the govt has the right to euthanize its citizens at will?

and that there isnt anything wrong with that after all your rights stem from the govt right?

Why didn't God stop Stalin or Hitler, tony?   

[Kazan]

Why didn't God stop Stalin or Hitler, tony?   

I thought you went to catholic school etc etc etc, you should know the answer to that question

[Soul Crusher]

I thought you went to catholic school etc etc etc, you should know the answer to that question

He also says he has an MBA but doesnt know the first thing about economics.   He seems to have went backwards as he got older. 

[240 is Back]

I thought you went to catholic school etc etc etc, you should know the answer to that question

Grade 1-10, catholic schools.  Church from age 1 thru high school, kinda stopped going in 20s.  I pray and I live to give, but there are a lot of Qs, and I see a lot of ways man uses religion/fear of God to manipulate masses to do what they want.

[Kazan]

He also says he has an MBA but doesnt know the first thing about economics.   He seems to have went backwards as he got older. 

A piece of paper with some combination of letters on it doesn't make you smart

[Kazan]

Grade 1-10, catholic schools.  Church from age 1 thru high school, kinda stopped going in 20s.  I pray and I live to give, but there are a lot of Qs, and I see a lot of ways man uses religion/fear of God to manipulate masses to do what they want.

And if the masses are stupid enough to believe what some politician say with out thinking for themselves, well then they get what they deserve.

[tu_holmes]

simply b/c humans violate those rights doesnt mean they dont stem from God.

I dont see how you guys keep confusing this concept.

What do you mean "you guys"?

I don't think government gives me my rights... I believe that we the people give us our rights... It's not about government. It's about citizens.

Look at the history of all people who have fought for their freedom... Neither God, nor government had anything to do with it.

It was PEOPLE.

PEOPLE as a society give me my freedom and I in turn give them theirs.

[Roger Bacon]

What do you mean "you guys"?

I don't think government gives me my rights... I believe that we the people give us our rights... It's not about government. It's about citizens.

Look at the history of all people who have fought for their freedom... Neither God, nor government had anything to do with it.

It was PEOPLE.

PEOPLE as a society give me my freedom and I in turn give them theirs.

YES!!!!!!!