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Re: God quote
« Reply #125 on: August 15, 2012, 01:12:36 PM »
What makes your bible the official word of God?  Just as how you beleive in your bible, Jews believe in their Torah, Muslims believe in their Koran, Buddhists believe in their teachings etc...  So why is it that Christians make their God and Jesus so absolute and disregard other religions? 
Have you studied history

The Assyrian empire, 6 generations, 6 rulers
The Babylonian Empire, 3 generation, 3 rulers
The achaemenid Dynasty (persia) 5-6 generations
Greek rule 10 generations
The Roman empire
This is the Biblical timeline and it goes through these super powers precisely

We know of the existence of over 120 Biblical cities and over 150 Biblical ruler through archaeology alone, we have documented proof of over 50 Biblical wars

The total historical timeline is based and on par with the Biblical narrative  and Islam and Judaism is a branch of the Old Testament.

That is 1 reason, would you like another  ???

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Re: God quote
« Reply #126 on: August 15, 2012, 01:14:42 PM »
Have you studied history

The Assyrian empire, 6 generations, 6 rulers
The Babylonian Empire, 3 generation, 3 rulers
The achaemenid Dynasty (persia) 5-6 generations
Greek rule 10 generations
The Roman empire
This is the Biblical timeline and it goes through these super powers precisely

We know of the existence of over 120 Biblical cities and over 150 Biblical ruler through archaeology alone, we have documented proof of over 50 Biblical wars

The total historical timeline is based and on par with the Biblical narrative  and Islam and Judaism is a branch of the Old Testament.

That is 1 reason, would you like another  ???


Whoa wait.  Judaism is a branch of what???  You do know that Judaism predates christianity.

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Re: God quote
« Reply #127 on: August 15, 2012, 01:15:12 PM »
Also, I am from Chile Onetimehardon.
Oh, I am from Costa Rica Fagabolic  8)

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Re: God quote
« Reply #128 on: August 15, 2012, 01:16:41 PM »
Whoa wait.  Judaism is a branch of what???  You do know that Judaism predates christianity.

I will let you take this back,  :o

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Re: God quote
« Reply #129 on: August 15, 2012, 01:24:55 PM »
Have you studied history

The Assyrian empire, 6 generations, 6 rulers
The Babylonian Empire, 3 generation, 3 rulers
The achaemenid Dynasty (persia) 5-6 generations
Greek rule 10 generations
The Roman empire
This is the Biblical timeline and it goes through these super powers precisely

We know of the existence of over 120 Biblical cities and over 150 Biblical ruler through archaeology alone, we have documented proof of over 50 Biblical wars

The total historical timeline is based and on par with the Biblical narrative  and Islam and Judaism is a branch of the Old Testament.

That is 1 reason, would you like another  ???


The Sumarian Culture (Our first known civilization), WELL before biblical times 6000B.C. era had stories of great floods and the idea of an Ark being built. Stated that man was created in the image of "gods" (with a little "g", there is a difference). Stated that woman was created from man and many, man, other similarties all pre bible.  This is a culture that very few talk about.  Many things we use today were based on their knowledge. "The Sumerians made contribution in various fields like commerce, written and oral communication science and literature among other fields. They developed a system of written communication that built the basis of all written communication systems to come. They used to write on clay tablets and it was the first ever form of writing. They also were able to develop a number system that was based on a basic unit of 60. They were the ones who divided an hour into sixty minutes and said that a circle had three sixty degrees in it. They invented the wheel and the wheeled transportation vehicles as well that facilitated them in trade. They also contributed to the field of astrology as they tracked stars to make calendars."

These people stated they received their knowledge from the gods (yes, plural). They also stated that us, as in humans were genetically modified from whatever the fuck was here at the time...homo erectus. We are slave species that was used to mine gold.

So I'm not saying whose right and whose wrong.  But the many stories in the bible, didn't originate from the bible...
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Re: God quote
« Reply #130 on: August 15, 2012, 01:30:16 PM »
What do you think of Strawsons "Individuals"?

Early in my studies (I'm currently a PhD student/lecturer), I read and wrote on a lot of work in language (Frege to Kripke), modality (Quine vs. Barcan), and math (mostly Frege), but I've been concentrating over the last few years on the metaphysical influence in post-Kantian, German political philosophy. I've read Strawson, but not Individuals (though I do seem to recall reading a chapter from that book, "Persons," in a class once). I have read Strawson's influential The Bounds of Sense, but I find that he, and someone close to him like Jonathan Bennett, while putting up important arguments, sometimes misinterpret Kant's thought. So I would say that while Strawson's work is very important to analytic work on Kant, there remains something to be desired on the level of interpretation (exegesis). With regard to contemporary analytic work, I've completed drafts of papers at the intersection of complex dynamical systems and Hegel's theory of self-organization (which is being cited by others). And I've recently done what some consider decent work pointing out problems with John Searle's theory of social ontology.    

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Re: God quote
« Reply #131 on: August 15, 2012, 01:31:45 PM »
Early in my studies (I'm currently a PhD student/lecturer), I read and wrote on a lot of work in language (Frege to Kripke), modality (Quine vs. Barcan), and math (mostly Frege), but I've been concentrating over the last few years on the metaphysical influence in post-Kantian, German political philosophy. I've read Strawson, but not Individuals (though I do seem to recall reading a chapter from that book, "Persons," in a class once). I have read Strawson's influential The Bounds of Sense, but I find that he, and someone close to him like Jonathan Bennett, while putting up important arguments, sometimes misinterpret Kant's thought. So I would say that while Strawson's work is very important to analytic work on Kant, there remains something to be desired on the level of interpretation (exegesis). With regard to contemporary analytic work, I've completed drafts of papers at the intersection of complex dynamical systems and Hegel's theory of self-organization (which is being cited by others). And I've recently done what some consider decent work pointing out problems with John Searle's theory of social ontology.    

... people still study Kant?

oh yeah... you're a university philosopher  ::)

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Re: God quote
« Reply #132 on: August 15, 2012, 01:35:51 PM »
Early in my studies (I'm currently a PhD student/lecturer), I read and wrote on a lot of work in language (Frege to Kripke), modality (Quine vs. Barcan), and math (mostly Frege), but I've been concentrating over the last few years on the metaphysical influence in post-Kantian, German political philosophy. I've read Strawson, but not Individuals (though I do seem to recall reading a chapter from that book, "Persons," in a class once). I have read Strawson's influential The Bounds of Sense, but I find that he, and someone close to him like Jonathan Bennett, while putting up important arguments, sometimes misinterpret Kant's thought. So I would say that while Strawson's work is very important to analytic work on Kant, there remains something to be desired on the level of interpretation (exegesis). With regard to contemporary analytic work, I've completed drafts of papers at the intersection of complex dynamical systems and Hegel's theory of self-organization (which is being cited by others). And I've recently done what some consider decent work pointing out problems with John Searle's theory of social ontology.    

Nice, how old are you and where are you finishing your PhD? I have done some shit myself but nothing like you, good job man!

Do you like Austin?

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Re: God quote
« Reply #133 on: August 15, 2012, 01:41:32 PM »
Nice, how old are you and where are you finishing your PhD? I have done some shit myself but nothing like you, good job man!

Do you like Austin?

Austin's great, and a very pleasurable read. Searle, too. But there are some things about the social world that they take for granted. Don't want to get specific about specifics. Northeast USA. Thanks, man!

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« Reply #134 on: August 15, 2012, 02:03:36 PM »
The Sumarian Culture (Our first known civilization), WELL before biblical times 6000B.C. era had stories of great floods and the idea of an Ark being built. Stated that man was created in the image of "gods" (with a little "g", there is a difference). Stated that woman was created from man and many, man, other similarties all pre bible.  This is a culture that very few talk about.  Many things we use today were based on their knowledge. "The Sumerians made contribution in various fields like commerce, written and oral communication science and literature among other fields. They developed a system of written communication that built the basis of all written communication systems to come. They used to write on clay tablets and it was the first ever form of writing. They also were able to develop a number system that was based on a basic unit of 60. They were the ones who divided an hour into sixty minutes and said that a circle had three sixty degrees in it. They invented the wheel and the wheeled transportation vehicles as well that facilitated them in trade. They also contributed to the field of astrology as they tracked stars to make calendars."

These people stated they received their knowledge from the gods (yes, plural). They also stated that us, as in humans were genetically modified from whatever the fuck was here at the time...homo erectus. We are slave species that was used to mine gold.

So I'm not saying whose right and whose wrong.  But the many stories in the bible, didn't originate from the bible...
They both are right cause they are both the same event...

Go to any major university and any historian will date the Sumerians to 3000-3500 BC, this is the accepted date, the problem with you is you have been reading to much of Zackariah`s BS and the poorly translated Annunaki BS

I have read every single Summerian artifact and manuscript and or tablets and a lot of it is symbolic in nature like the list of the God-kingship who came down from heaven and reigned each one from 20 000 years to 60 000 years, really convincing. A king reigned for 28 900 years and you are taking this literally  ???

The cities of walled Uruk and Babel erected by Gilgamesh is the Biblical Nimrod. In the Bible it states that Nimrod built the same cities that Gilgamesh built, according to both texts they where both mighty hunters, both where kings in Mesopotamia, both where giants, both where difiant to God, both erected tall structures that could withhold a flood and both where the first military commander to rise up an army of 5000 men, also known as Sargon. So to say they where not the same characters is fucken outright stupid.

The flood story is the same story as the Biblical flood story and took place at the same time obviously, the only difference is the Summerian flood story was written before the Biblical account, so what that means nothing, the Biblical account was derived from a past down manuscript from the same time, hence it is the same event that took place. Utanapishtim is the Biblical Noah and Gilgamesh is Nimrod
 anything else you want to know, I spent 5 years studying the Cuneiform tablets.  8)

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Re: God quote
« Reply #135 on: August 15, 2012, 02:19:59 PM »
Very sorry to hear about your father Curt.......my sincere condolences buddy. 

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Re: God quote
« Reply #136 on: August 15, 2012, 02:23:38 PM »
Very sorry to hear about your father Curt.......my sincere condolences buddy. 

Wes, since you were around well before Jesus was born can you explain to everyone what religion was like then?

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Re: God quote
« Reply #137 on: August 15, 2012, 02:24:00 PM »
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.- Marcus Aurelius
I have used this same quote before.  It covers all of the bases.  Amazing that this man thought like this 2,000+ years ago.

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Re: God quote
« Reply #138 on: August 15, 2012, 02:28:03 PM »
I have used this same quote before.  It covers all of the bases.  Amazing that this man thought like this 2,000+ years ago.

Then what is considered good?  It is in human's nature to kill animals to eat them.  But in north america killing a dog and eating it is illegal, but in asia it is not.  Are they bad?

Religion brought on all of these rules of what makes a "good" human.  Men need to fuck women, plain and simple. Yet this thing called marriage makes it not so with them or else you are breaking a rule.

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« Reply #139 on: August 15, 2012, 02:31:14 PM »
Then what is considered good?  It is in human's nature to kill animals to eat them.  But in north america killing a dog and eating it is illegal, but in asia it is not.  Are they bad?

Religion brought on all of these rules of what makes a "good" human.  Men need to fuck women, plain and simple. Yet this thing called marriage makes it not so with them or else you are breaking a rule.
This is what I believe:  An all knowing/loving god will except me for the flawed human that I am.  He would know that I lived a good, honest, and humble life.  I am not worried either way.  It will be either eternal darkness or salvation.

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« Reply #140 on: August 15, 2012, 02:34:20 PM »
This is what I believe:  An all knowing/loving god will except me for the flawed human that I am.  He would know that I lived a good, honest, and humble life.  I am not worried either way.  It will be either eternal darkness or salvation.

Where did this whole belief in the afterlife come from? Remember that ages ago people thought heaven was in the clouds and that hell was in the pits of the earth.  I think science has proved that to be wrong  ;)

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« Reply #141 on: August 15, 2012, 02:37:27 PM »
Where did this whole belief in the afterlife come from? Remember that ages ago people that heaven was in the clouds and that hell was in the pits of the earth.  I think science has proved that to be wrong  ;)
I agree.  I'm just covering my tracks  :D

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Re: God quote
« Reply #142 on: August 15, 2012, 04:59:17 PM »
Is this the first death you've experienced? I knew a degenerate in my younger days who got shot for robbing cocaine. It took a couple of days for the reality to set in and i teared up a little after seeing his picture in our local newspaper.

That was my first experience of someone i knew dying. Now shit doesn't even phase me and i find myself unaffected by it. My grandmother, neighbour, uncles, and a few other distant acquaintances passed away since then and i must say it's business as usual for me with no resentment meltdowns aimed at an imaginary entity.



Close with Dad.  Moved back to midwest from Arizona because I just had a feeling it would be better as parents got older.

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« Reply #143 on: August 15, 2012, 05:02:52 PM »
Listen, I know I love my children, but can not prove it to anyone, I know I have experienced God (hence I know he exist) but can not prove it to anyone. So I am not a good believer cause I admit God can`t be proven  ???, the Bible says the only way to God is through faith, I am 100% on par with the scriptures, do you understand now. BTW where are you from, you said spanish is your first language as is mine.

I am not going to engage in the god is/isn't debate....but as far how you could prove your love?  How about this.  If there was any way of donating my life to my father could live.  I would do so.  Thats love.  I am sure you would give your last breath, your last shred of clothing, your last penny, etc. for your children.  That is love.

I am sure you would step in front of a moving car for them.  Yes?  Again, thats a sign of love

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Re: God quote
« Reply #144 on: August 15, 2012, 05:06:29 PM »
Come home from work and the poo is flying

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Re: God quote
« Reply #145 on: August 15, 2012, 05:13:47 PM »
Wes, since you were around well before Jesus was born can you explain to everyone what religion was like then?
Who`s Jesus ?  :D

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Re: God quote
« Reply #146 on: August 15, 2012, 10:35:20 PM »
I am not going to engage in the god is/isn't debate....but as far how you could prove your love?  How about this.  If there was any way of donating my life to my father could live.  I would do so.  Thats love.  I am sure you would give your last breath, your last shred of clothing, your last penny, etc. for your children.  That is love.

I am sure you would step in front of a moving car for them.  Yes?  Again, thats a sign of love
I understand exactly what you are saying. All those points are a very good sign of love. All I am saying is that any one of those actions does not prove 100% that you love someone. There is always the possibility, however improbable it may be, that someone that does not love someone would do 1 of those things for them.