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« Reply #75 on: August 20, 2012, 02:28:58 PM » |
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« Reply #76 on: August 20, 2012, 02:37:17 PM » |
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branch has a combination of
midget + retard = strength
ha ha ha if you watched that vid.... without knowing who those bbers are and you heard world bber johnnie.... who would you think was johnnie |
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« Reply #77 on: August 20, 2012, 03:00:56 PM » |
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Overall branch is significantly stronger..... stronger on everything aside from deads..... even johnnie admitted branch is stronger on all pushing movements..... every time they train together... branch just outdoes him period and there are contests for shoulder presses .... see world strongest man .. also contests for curl... fact jonnie overall stronger even evan.... and a lot more... johnnie seemed to have given himself that world strongest title Pwned branch 15 - 20 reps... jonnie couldnt get one clean Johnnie didn't give himself the title. MuscleTech did, while he worked for them. The Olympia suits got the idea, after an Internet war of words, between Jackson and Ben White, to have a contest at the Olympia to settle the issue. As for the contests, the shoulder presses are part of the overall World's Strongest Man contest, not contest in and of itself. |
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« Reply #78 on: August 20, 2012, 03:14:22 PM » |
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Johnnie didn't give himself the title. MuscleTech did, while he worked for them. The Olympia suits got the idea, after an Internet war of words, between Jackson and Ben White, to have a contest at the Olympia to settle the issue.
As for the contests, the shoulder presses are part of the overall World's Strongest Man contest, not contest in and of itself.
the world strongest man is a contest... and those not the only contest it is in the long and short of it is.......... branch is vastly stronger strongest bber should be a totle give to and individula to is stron one everything see** ronnie coleman ..... you cant be strngest bber when your training partner gets 20 reps with a weight YOU cant get one clean rep with twist it anyway you like |
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« Reply #79 on: August 20, 2012, 03:15:17 PM » |
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Like I said, all bodybuilders incorporate partials into their routine. Even beyond partials, is Branch's sloppy technique. You don't need to cherry pick a clip of branch to find him using sloppy form. Its predominantly how he works out. Lou and guys in the 70's had much better technique than the guys today. Branch has big legs because of his genetic response to drugs. Take away the drugs, and he probably has the leg size of a 170 pound guy. Given his horrible form, its less about his workouts that made him big nad more about the drugs and response.
I don't need to cherry-pick a clip of Lou Ferrigno either. They both use less-than-strict form. This ridiculous notion that Lou had so much better technique and trained harder than Branch and that drugs are the primary/sole reason for the size of his legs (or other bodyparts) is ludicrous. |
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« Reply #80 on: August 20, 2012, 03:18:55 PM » |
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the world strongest man is a contest... and those not the only contest it is in the long and short of it is.......... branch is vastly stronger strongest bber should be a totle give to and individula to is stron one everything see** ronnie coleman ..... you cant be strngest bber when your training partner gets 20 reps with a weight YOU cant get one clean rep with twist it anyway you like There's no need to twist anything. Johnnie's powerlifting numbers back the moniker, as do his bodybuilding wins. If Branch can beat those numbers, then he'd definitely fit the bill (especially since he's won more shows and bigger shows than Johnnie has). |
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« Reply #81 on: August 20, 2012, 03:21:14 PM » |
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ha ha ha if you watched that vid.... without knowing who those bbers are and you heard world bber johnnie.... who would you think was johnnie Hence, you don't make a judgment off ONE video. |
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« Reply #82 on: August 20, 2012, 03:29:27 PM » |
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Johnny was taking easy on branch ... he is capable of squating much more  |
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« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2012, 03:31:36 PM » |
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« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2012, 03:32:44 PM » |
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Shoulder presses   You mean incline Chest presses These shoulder presses....."ALL DRUGS" These shoulder presses....."Much better technique and harder training". #Invalid YouTube Link# |
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« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2012, 03:36:35 PM » |
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« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2012, 03:37:25 PM » |
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« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2012, 04:08:59 PM » |
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Video 4 is Branch by himself (except for a brief clip of Johnnie, warming up with 135) Video 3: Johnnie appears to be pressing heavier dumbbells for more reps, unless the tape got edited (as is the case in several of those videos, where the footage stops before either man is finished repping out). |
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« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2012, 05:03:43 PM » |
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Video 4 is Branch by himself (except for a brief clip of Johnnie, warming up with 135)
Video 3: Johnnie appears to be pressing heavier dumbbells for more reps, unless the tape got edited (as is the case in several of those videos, where the footage stops before either man is finished repping out).
branch and johnnie trained in all vids watch again branch out pressed johnie like in the other 3 vids note when they get over to incline presses branch hits the 315 johnnie hits the 225 so overall branch is VASTly stronger..... notice how its hard to find a full workout video....(not one set a la stan efferding) of a PRO bber moving wights like ronnie.... why BECAUSE he was the fucking strongest.... |
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« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2012, 08:43:40 PM » |
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branch and johnnie trained in all vids
watch again branch out pressed johnie like in the other 3 vids
note when they get over to incline presses branch hits the 315
johnnie hits the 225
so overall
branch is VASTly stronger.....
notice how its hard to find a full workout video....(not one set a la stan efferding) of a PRO bber moving wights like ronnie....
why BECAUSE he was the fucking strongest....
You might want to check the video again. At 1:48 on the chest video, Johnnie is also using 315. So, I don't know where you'd get the idea that Branch is "VASTly stronger" than Johnnie (even Branch himself doesn't make such a claim. Quite the opposite, he's stated that he enjoys training with Johnnie because, at least as of 2004/2005, Johnnie's strengths are his weaknesses; though, Branch has closed the gap considerably since that time). |
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« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2012, 09:26:33 PM » |
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branch and johnnie trai
notice how its hard to find a full workout video....(not one set a la stan efferding) of a PRO bber moving wights like ronnie....
why BECAUSE he was the fucking strongest....
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« Reply #91 on: August 21, 2012, 04:20:46 AM » |
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You might want to check the video again. At 1:48 on the chest video, Johnnie is also using 315. So, I don't know where you'd get the idea that Branch is "VASTly stronger" than Johnnie (even Branch himself doesn't make such a claim. Quite the opposite, he's stated that he enjoys training with Johnnie because, at least as of 2004/2005, Johnnie's strengths are his weaknesses; though, Branch has closed the gap considerably since that time).
I got the idea warren was stronger from him constantly outdoing johnny all the time Also from branch repping a weight 20 times and johnny not been able to get one clean... |
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« Reply #92 on: August 21, 2012, 08:49:46 AM » |
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No, thanks!! I'm hetero and married. I grasp what's being discussed quite well. I never claimed anyone who lifted weights could diet down and turn pro. With that said, we've seen a rash of folks who get clobbered at the Nationals and USA on a regular basis get their pro cards via the Masters Nationals. The point I made with Mark Henry (no I don't think there's a pro physique, buried under his blubber) is that all you have to do is get some well-known powerlifter with a halfway decent physique, get him to the IFBB pro level, and (if his numbers exceed those of Efferding), he's the world's strongest bodybuilders. Don't powerlifters win meets by having the best OVERALL SCORE, not just dominating in one particular category? That's my point and rationale for giving Jackson the nod over Efferding. He has the better COMBO of strength and physique. Stan is stronger but he's get blown offstage when he competes as a bodybuilder. When you add the qualifier of bodybuilder into the mix, I'm picking a guy who won the Nationals, three pro shows, and placed top 10 at the Olympia all day over a guy who hasn't placed higher than 9th at any pro show (and became a pro via the Masters Nationals). We're not talking overall anything. The discussion is, the world's strongest pro bodybuilder. It is not, one of the strongest pro bodybuilders who is, overall, the better bodybuilding competitor. If a man is a pro bodybuilder, and he is the strongest, he is the world's strongest pro bodybuilder. This extremely simple logic is lost on you. Pathetic |
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« Reply #93 on: August 21, 2012, 07:01:56 PM » |
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brutal 1/8 rep squats
stan efferding would just crush JJ in a strength challenge, JJ is not strong compared to Stan E
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« Reply #94 on: August 21, 2012, 07:10:05 PM » |
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Jackson is very strong on deadlifts I think but his claim of "strongest bodybuilder" is tenuous.
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« Reply #95 on: August 21, 2012, 07:18:24 PM » |
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brutal 1/8 rep squats
stan efferding would just crush JJ in a strength challenge, JJ is not strong compared to Stan E
add kevin, cormier evan baker id even throw ray in there too considerring his form... ive seen him manhandle 160s, 170s with good form, not that 1/8 rep nonsense jackson does |
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« Reply #96 on: August 22, 2012, 02:54:14 AM » |
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maybe he means strongest addict
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« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2012, 03:06:43 AM » |
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Can't agree there he has a better physique than Kai
Yes his chest doesn't match his arms but part for part aside from chest he has no other weak body parts
And he has round muscle and good insertions so for right now he deserves mr o unless Kai can. Ring something else to the table
Beyeke has all of those things plus are far better structure and cleaner lines. |
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« Reply #98 on: August 22, 2012, 06:09:35 AM » |
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Beyeke has all of those things plus are far better structure and cleaner lines.
Agree The question is can you see the judges allowing beyeke to beat Heath |
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« Reply #99 on: August 22, 2012, 01:29:41 PM » |
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The lunges were freakin' laughable unless they were walking into a 60-mile an hour headwind. To be fair, the clip of the lunges was very short.
As far as the (half) squats and leg presses, you guys aren't being very fair by not mentioning that they're doing 20-rep sets. Half-squats or not, 20 reps is WORK. (Besides, if Branch does fulls for 20, I'm pretty sure he'd have a heart attack.)
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