The New Normal

[a_ahmed]

LOL "born this way' Maybe it's the song that brainwashed you.

No one is 'born this way' they are raised this way. Just as MORE gays are 'coming out' it's because there is MORE 'education' into this way.

In the first few editions of the DSM homosexuality was considered a psychological disease that is curable and there were plenty of men that were cured of it. Later for political reasoning the DSM was revised and it was dubbed a life style "choice".

And to make a point if it's a 'life style  choice' how the hell are people arguing that it's 'born this way'.

No one is born to want to fuck a man being a man. They are indoctrinated to do so through skewed programming. We are BORN to be a MAN... with a dick. Born to seek out a female mate to bond with, love, have intercourse with, have a family with, procreate, etc... This is the sane, logical and right way for humanity to FUNCTION let alone be clean.

No one's born a homo, they are raised one, programmed one, misguided into being one and driven by the environment to indulge in perverse actions of their own doing.

No one is 'born' to be into fetish stuff, no one is born to be into beastiality, no one is born to be into any of what the porn industry gives. People are PROGRAMMED and let themselves be programmed into all this.

Also to make a point. No one is born a whore, no one is born an asshole. A woman is not born to sell herself cheap for attention with every tom, dick and jerry. She is indoctrinated by her environment, parents, family, school, especially media/music/movies. No one is born to be one. No one is born to be an asshole that fucks every jane, jean and berry that walks with an ass and has hooters while catching STDs and dumping these women left and right, using and abusing women. These types of people are a result of social education. They will run away from family life, having children, etc... because society teaches them the 'easy way' to their vain uncontrolled desires until eventually they have an epiphany and realize they are ruining their life in the long run and will be left bums in the end, with no one and nothing, possibly diseased as old age catches up to all of us.

[Irongrip400]

LOL "born this way' Maybe it's the song that brainwashed you.

No one is 'born this way' they are raised this way. Just as MORE gays are 'coming out' it's because there is MORE 'education' into this way.

In the first few editions of the DSM homosexuality was considered a psychological disease that is curable and there were plenty of men that were cured of it. Later for political reasoning the DSM was revised and it was dubbed a life style "choice".

And to make a point if it's a 'life style  choice' how the hell are people arguing that it's 'born this way'.

No one is born to want to fuck a man being a man. They are indoctrinated to do so through skewed programming. We are BORN to be a MAN... with a dick. Born to seek out a female mate to bond with, love, have intercourse with, have a family with, procreate, etc... This is the sane, logical and right way for humanity to FUNCTION let alone be clean.

No one's born a homo, they are raised one, programmed one, misguided into being one and driven by the environment to indulge in perverse actions of their own doing.

No one is 'born' to be into fetish stuff, no one is born to be into beastiality, no one is born to be into any of what the porn industry gives. People are PROGRAMMED and let themselves be programmed into all this.

Also to make a point. No one is born a whore, no one is born an asshole. A woman is not born to sell herself cheap for attention with every tom, dick and jerry. She is indoctrinated by her environment, parents, family, school, especially media/music/movies. No one is born to be one. No one is born to be an asshole that fucks every jane, jean and berry that walks with an ass and has hooters while catching STDs and dumping these women left and right, using and abusing women. These types of people are a result of social education. They will run away from family life, having children, etc... because society teaches them the 'easy way' to their vain uncontrolled desires until eventually they have an epiphany and realize they are ruining their life in the long run and will be left bums in the end, with no one and nothing, possibly diseased as old age catches up to all of us.

Ask your boy Mehmed II, he banged dudes and chicks. And by Mehmed, I'm talking about the Ottoman Sultan.

[a_ahmed]

He's not 'my boy' because I don't know the dude or much about him. Under Islam he'd be executed for that.

Man you islamophobes pop out of no where ey? I have quite a following, that's cool.

There is no argument against my argument with homosexuality. It's the truth, it is a vain and perverse desire hence a choice of people but it's being made into law. There is nothing scientific about it, practical about it, beneficial about it, etc... it is harmful to society as a whole.

Oh well, it will be just another of the many downfalls of western society. You can read my arguments and posts again and again and venture whichever way you want but it is what it is. Men are men, and women are women, and we are meant for each other. No one is born wanting to bang another man or attracted to another man. Period. We are from a young age attracted to women not because society tells us so but because our natural instincts and emotions tell us so. It's common sense. I don't have to even bring in religion into this. Even from a 'scientific point of view', our race would seize to exist and it goes all against the full understanding of 'love' the chemical bonds we have and hormonal responses and the reproductive system.

Homosexuality is a spark going wrong in the wiring and something going wrong in the plumbing. It's not normal, and it is only forcefully being 'normalized' and 'legalized'. Humor is one way hollywood has benefitted homosexuals, making it 'fun' and 'hip' to be a gay character in movies.

Anyways whatever.

[Irongrip400]

Hey, I'm not arguing, I started the thread. I think shit is fucked up, and that this type of material on tv is a cause. Read my posts. I just figured I'd throw a little jab at you about that because I happen to be reading a book on the Ottoman empire right now and was shocked that I read that. I think some of the views of the Islamist are spot on. I also think some of the extreme views of the Nazis are as well. You need the extremes to balance things out. Hey, I think there are a lot of undesirables out there, that should be done away with, it's just in our society/world, that view isn't shared by many anymore. I got no real beef with Moslems, just the extremist that do things in the name of Islam, much like the Christian extremist. I will say however, the Christian extremist seem to be less inclined to suicide bomb you or cut your head off on tv.

[a_ahmed]

Well if you want to know about Islam, you read about islam, read the qur'an with an open heart and mind, preferably one with tafsir a simple one such as ibn khathir's tafsir (commentary) so you have an understanding. Read about our prophet Muhammad (pbuh), about his companions (sahaba), about his teachings, actions, speeches, etc... not from orientalists, non-muslims or islamophobes but from authentic muslim sources.

A good book I would suggest after the qur'an with ibn kathir's tafsir is Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum (THE SEALED NECTAR) which is the seera of Muhammad (pbuh), history/biography/etc... a great work of effort went into this simple yet beautiful book for the laymen to know alot of intricacies and details about Muhammad (pbuh) and his life, story, lineage, companions, etc... there are many books specifically talking about the companions of the prophet as well as they all each have their own stories...

Muslims are not all practising, I was not born muslim... so it helps that I chose to educate myself in the religion, most are culturally educated, in other words born into it, know and are raised in basics, but may or may not know in depth. Really depends on their families and whether they raise them culturally/ethnically or islamically or secularly/materialistically (all money money education and no religion but everyone's got a muslim name and still knows hey no alcohol, pork, etc... silly...)

Homosexuality is a no no period. God destroyed a whole nation of sodom and gomorah for it. According to the bible (meaning jews and christian view) and according to Islam and the quran (same thing prophet Lot). Islam reaffirms what was and continues the line and is of principle...

It's like how there may be muslims who drink alcohol, however alcohol is forbidden in islam... same thing.

I dont know much detailed history about ottomans although I KNOW they did some seriously unislamic things themselves...

If you want to learn about the rule of islam in its absolute, learn about the calipha rashidun... the rightly guided caliphs... which are abu bakr, uthman, umar ibn al khattab and ali may Allah be pleased with them all. They are the representation of what is a caliphate. Everything after were sultanates... kingdoms... as Muhammad peace be upon him prophecized.

In several authentic hadith and I am paraphrasing, the prophet (pbuh) prophecised that after him would be the rightly guided caliphs and after them would be kingdoms and after them would by tyrants and dictators as is the case today as we know.. and after that will be the return of a caliphate.


I also know in Afghanistan the tribal tradition of homosexual boyfriends... its disgusting and contrary to islam.. i forget what they call it.. totally SICKENING... and yes if afghanistan was ruled by Islam they'd be executed for raping boys... but afghanistan is ruled by tribal warlords and the US puppet regime.

[Irongrip400]

Not jumping your shit, but you say they'd be executed according to Islamic law for being gay. That is a far cry from the compassionate religion you talk about in some threads. Not attacking, just saying it seems it's a little more hard core than Christianity.

[a_ahmed]

well it is a compassionate religion but there are capital punishments for certain crimes. That includes execution of rapist, murderer, adulterer, fornication. Also whipping of a fornicator (premarital sex), public alcohol consumption and chopping hand off a thief

You may find these as 'harsh' or 'barbaric' or not compassionate, however Islam is not just an individual thing, it is not just a set of rituals, it is meant to perfect individuals and perfect society as a whole.

They are deterrant laws. Do you honestly think people will want to steal if their hands are in question? You don't grow them back.

Alcohol is a poison, we all know it, it intoxicates the mind, liver, the whole body. The way Islam looks at it God mentions in the quran that the harms of it outweigh any potential benefit of it. And I know... from alot of my cop friends they say it too.. the majority of crimes they deal with have alcohol use involved. Date rape? Alcohol use involved. The list goes on.

There is a reason these things are in place.

Islam is pro-sex/pro-marriage (channel your desires properly) and in fact the early caliphates would give money, homes to early new-weds and help those that cannot get married to get married. However premarital sex is corruption of society.. alcohol is corruption of society... homosexuality is a given, it is well known from old times that it is a way to spread disease and as such it is a corruption and misguidance for mankind. It may seem harsh but then we have been indoctrinated to see these things as harsh too. Going to christian school I was thought capital punishments should be stopped, an irony really knowing now christian history, but it was trying to give a 'christian twist' to it (talking about capital punishment in some states that still execute criminals).

I am not against capital punishment once I think about it. We all know statistically rapists rape again when let out of jail... and a woman cannot wipe out the memory of rape it will always remain with her, it is a brutal and violent experience. These people deserve punishment for it. Tucking them in a jail with playstation and feeding them at tax payer's expense is not justice to a woman who was raped.

We may agree to disagree, but yes, Islam does have these strict punishments that however does not mean Islam came to be just about these few laws of punishments. Seriously, most people emphasize about these punishments as the end of the world trying to undermine islam somehow (), while in fact Islam was revealed to guide mankind.

Do you think this mehmet 2 dude didn't deserve the death penalty for raping boys? I think he does and did and if it wasn't a corrupt 'caliphate' under his rule, he would be executed in no time's notice.

The bottom line is, islam does not outright provoke and advocate violence as islamophobes attribute. The bible does that. And on the contrary it is the quran that uses the words love, mercy, peace, a million times more than the bible EVER does... you have to read it for yourself to understand that and understand that islam indeed is a religion of mercy and salaam, peace. However there are punishments like under any system. The difference is, islam is of principle, it does not swing in the wind where the people's desires go. If a majority of people decide today they all wana have a gay island and die off there without ever procreating, thats not principle, thats just people choosing to be idiots and mankind dying off in a pathetic state.

[a_ahmed]

well thats the problem you are wrong about that because you have not even read the quran. If you read what i said, i advise you to read the quran with an open mind and open heart. and with a tafsir (commentary) such as ibn kathir's (simple not complex)

You would then understand the context of these verses and what they mean. When it says put terror in the enemies of Allah and slay them wherever you find them, smite their necks, etc... etc... its talking about a battle, in some of the verses in particular the battle of uhud for example. However if you read that with no knowledge or context you are spreading misinformation that for example someone like myself a convert from christianity to islam believes that we muslims must hide behind bushes and attack everyone and anyone that does not believe.

You cannot become muslim by force, because to be muslim means to submit yourself and your will to God alone. That cannot be done by the sword except by one's own heart. Hence the verse there is no compulsion in religion.

All these verses cited have actual context, place, timeline, reason. You are generalizing them and attaching your own meaning/understanding without actually knowing the context or meaning out of ignorance :-/

On the other hand, ironically, in the old testament there are actual verses that say kill and slay everything, women, children, elderly, even the animals, have no mercy (literally it says this) and hide behind bushes grab their women.

So the accusations some chrsitians and jews throw at muslims are not in the quran but in the bible.... literally lol.

Islam never advocates violence and if you read any of these fighting verses (again please read the whole quran with an open heart and mind and not preconcieved indoctrinated notions) you will see that any sort of dispute or fighting, God immediately mentions to accept a truce if a truce is offer, try to find means to peace, seize fighting immediately. Never start fighting. God does not love transgressors of treaties, agreements, etc... etc... etc...

You would not know any of that unless you read the quran and with a tafsir as i suggested so you have a greater understanding and not your own imaginary understanding that you would attach to things you do not understand in context. :-/

[a_ahmed]

And just as a question, why do Muslims believe God sent another prophet after Jesus Christ? Didn't Jesus teach all that humanity needs to know, with emphasis on "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself." ?

If you seriously think, thats all humanity needs to know... lol... you answered your own question.

Jesus' gospel was perverted and corrupted by paul, constantine of the roman empire and the church that materialized from paul's gospel. Paul was a jew, bounty hunter of other jews that followed jesus. The true early christians.

He did everything opposite of Jesus' teachings.

Some statements that Paul neglected/did a 180 on:

Jesus said he came not to abolish the law but fulfill it. That does not mean end it but means act on it/practice it/endorse it.

Jesus said hear oh israel your God is ONE. Repetition of first commandment.

Jesus said he does not of his own will except to the will of God. ANd in another statement he submits himself to the will of God. This is in arabic 'muslim'. literally.

Jesus prayed to God. Jesus called to God and called others to follow himself (Jesus) as a way to God (a messenger). Jesus was tempted by the devil (would God be tempted by the devil? His own creation?) Jesus was angry at the people in the temple for their selling of religion. And on and on.

Jesus said I come to the house of Israel. To the children of Israel. He did not come for 'all mankind' Paul took it upon himself to spread his own 'gospel' to 'all mankind'. He took the role that was reserved for Muhammad (pbuh) and well we see how it ended up. Not well for europe or most of the world.

Jesus warned of false prophets. Jesus also said of one to come. Jesus also said these people would be known by their works and fruits. Look at Paul and what he did. One he corrupted and perverted Jesus' teachings with pagan teachings, divinizing Jesus and making him a deity and all that other trinitarian and church doctrine dogma non-sense that followed. Two what are his fruits and works besides these lies and corruptions? More than 1000+ years of dark ages because of the church. You then look at Muhammad (pbuh) he was known as the truthful before he was even a prophet by the pagan arabs who later became his enemies. He was of principle. Kind. Just. Merciful. He suffered alot like all prophets do and as did his followers. He was never bribed or convinced of worldly things but sought of God's praise and pleasure only even if it meant suffering.

In the end? What were Muhammad's fruits? 1000+ years of the islamic empire that brought light of the ages, while europeans lived in mud houses and burned books, killed each other, etc... He united the most barbaric tribal people, as one nation under God.

And unlike Jesus' message, biography, his companions, etc.. we have so little, basically birth, his 30s, his taking from this world. The end.

Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions on the other hand we have EVERY DETAIL imaginable about them recorded... and unlike the books of the bible which are many many books written of various men and many not included in the bible (such as apocrypha amongst others) the quran we have is as it was preserved, in writing and memory of millions for all time to come. We have the original message. We have the original teachings. Sayings. Actions. The same cannot be said of Jesus as his message was only for the Jews but what Paul and the church did.. well.. Oh and Paul over threw the law. Sounds like a roman conspiracy to me trying to rid themselves of the 'jewish problem' they had.

[Sizwe]

Thank you for elaborating on that.

[scottt]

Ahmed. Paul was murdered by the romans for being a christian he was not a false prophet. The roman church under constintine contaminated The catholic church with false babalonian religion. Most christians dont realize the false teachings they are being misled by.

[bighead]

Ahmed. Paul was murdered by the romans for being a christian he was not a false prophet. The roman church under constintine contaminated The catholic church with false babalonian religion. Most christians dont realize the false teachings they are being misled by.

  Truth.

[a_ahmed]

Paul's teachings is what the romans adopted. He was a roman citizen. He was a Jewish bounty hunter working for the Romans hunting the early Jews that followed Jesus in his authentic teachings. Even after his so called fradulent 'epiphany' he was arguing, condemning, cursing the actual followers of Jesus as is evident through his writings. The early 'churches', were in disagreement with him, were against his message/teachings. He was the one that was perverting and corrupting Jesus' original message with his own. He is a false prophet and it is known by his fruits and works as is the result through the church that adopted his works/teachings and abandoned the ones that did not suit their agenda (hence the various other gospel writings the apocrypha amongst other things). The church brought 1000+ years of dark ages, perversion of God and bloodshed.

He was a fraud and the early followers of Jesus knew so and debated him. We do not have much of any of the early writings beyond his OWN accounts of what he confronted and his own accounts and writings of the new testament books attest to his fradulent activities, his disagreements, etc... He thought everything against what Jesus actually thought and did a 180. He cursed and condemned the actual disciples of Jesus for their 'beliefs' vs his beliefs and his 'gospel'. If you read the bible it is evident. Paul is the one that introduced pagan divinity of Jesus amongst many other things. He was after all in all sense of reality a bounty hunter of the early christians aka jews who followed Jesus, the real Christians/followers of Jesus. His so called epiphany of seeing Jesus and his three reccounts are proof enough that he is not a credible or honest man. In his own writings he contradicts himself lol.

The early 'sects of christianity' were afterwards literally hunted down and killed until the trinitarian paul view was enforced by the sword and all others were deemed heretics.

Jesus' was not God, Jesus did not abandon the law, paul and the romans did. And what I believe out of my own thinking but without concise proof, I can see and conceive a conspiracy upon the Romans part alongside Paul (who was working for them as a bounty hunter) that they conspired to undermine and destroy the Jews as they were deemed a thorn in the Romans view and a problem. The Jewish law in particular (the law of moses/the shari'ah of the time) is what the romans hated most. Hence it seems quite fitting that the romans hijacked the message of Jesus and corrupted it to undermine the Jews.

[scottt]

Paul or saul did persecute christians until he converted to christianity.

[a_ahmed]

So it is said, but in reality he brought about his own 'gospel' and confronted all the actual disciples and their descendant followers of Jesus with his corrupted and innovated beliefs. His beliefs prevailed while the early true followers of Jesus perished. And the romans who he worked for adopted his version of christianity which in fact perverted Jesus' actual teachings with paganism and did away with God's law.

[Shockwave]

no it wasnt always like this.

i have seen swiss handbooks for wives from the 50s, by todays standards the content is ridiculous.

look for american govt videos on gays from the 60s, its worth the laugh.

the question is, why does that same entity(govt)now kinda promote gayness when it used to be so much against it?

Population control is my guess, honestly. (Although it would never work, the races that breed like rabbitts tend to be very homophobic.)

[Roger Bacon]

I don't look at it from a religious point of view, I actually know homosexuals and have respect for them.

I don't think it's healthy for society to have this anything goes, tolerate everything attitude. 

Especially when it's a TV show (that I haven't seen) but is titled in such a way that it sounds more like indoctrination.

[Sizwe]

The church brought 1000+ years of dark ages, perversion of God and bloodshed.

That's simply not true, watch this if you're really interested.

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And that the church adopted "Babylonian/pagan" beliefs is totally false aswell.

[a_ahmed]

I couldn't stop laughing. Seriously.

The church was well known for burning books and libraries, concealing books and keeping them away from people, and waging blood wrenched wars. It was not until contact with Muslims that europe started being enlightened. There would be no renessaince without Muslims. Which was a split from the church hence the hate of religion in europe and the eurocentric view that all religions are like the church and the whole secularism movement that picked up since and the fear of theocracies because everyone thinks its like the church (eg: Islamic caliphate which is NOTING like the church -- science progressed and flourish and was encouraged by Islam not suppressed like the church did. Islam and science are not in conflict, but science and the church were in conflict hence the execution of so many scientists).

And when it comes to architecture, these bums learned mathematics from Muslims, architecture from muslims. And still.. what did they end up building? Demonic structures and evil beings all around 'churches'. Such Godly works  

And yes the christianity that spawned from paul was all pagan. Worshipping a man, divinizing a man, everything else that followed from roman and european paganism such as christmas, easter, the whole lot amongst many other things.

It has nothing to do with Jesus. Europe was living in mud houses while Muslim spain had public lights in the streets and running public water works.

[a_ahmed]

I advise you to read and learn

http://muslimheritage.com/

So many so called famous european 'scientists' and 'mathematicians' and 'philosophers' do not give credit where it's due. Even Saint Thomas Aquinas and his famous 'proofs for God' are in fact taken directly from Muslim philosophers. It's funny, I studied it in christian school, then came across islam and pondered... and then I studied islamic history and realized hey this guy copied these ideas from Muslims.

Some of the surgical medical tools used today still are in fact the original designs of a muslim doctor and researcher/scientist... the amazing thing is the designs have changed very little since. Muslim doctors first invented prosthetics, anaesthetics, amongst other things...

While in europe 'church doctors' used to sprinkle 'holy water' and hope for something to magically happen... and a few other worse of methods where wounds would get infected and people would obviously die...

Anyways...

[a_ahmed]

You can spend some time reading here too:

http://metaexistence.org/inventions.htm

Without muslims you wouldn't have a cemara (arabic word qamara), optics, computers, gunpowder/rockets, engines, various mechanisms/mechanics, just ... an incredible amount of things that we take for granted today but without you learning you wouldn't know.

Europe was nothing before the crusades started sacking and stealing from Muslims. They came and mercilessly even killed christians who were at peace with muslims and forbade practice of islam and judaism. While under Muslims, jews and christians were free to practice their faith.

Even cuisine, food... white ppl eat some damn bland food... without interaction with muslims there would be no spice trade. Without muslims europeans wouldn't have any real fragrences. The sad part is europeans used to barely bath and used to abuse fragrences. Why do you think more modern europeans wore wigs? The tradition that persists to this day in courts.

[a_ahmed]

Muslims got their knowledge with God's will, because God encourages us in our religion to seek knowledge, to use our God given intellect and mind. For those that think is a verse repeated very often. Unlike Christianity which tried to subdue thinking, kill science and scientists, etc...

Islam encompases everything. It bypasses racism, nationalism, tribalism and all artificial borders that humans created. It is the first true multiculturalism. It did not erase culture, it blended all culture together and shared it with others. Whatever it was. Likewise with knowledge. However Muslims unlike Christian europeans gave credit where it's due. They stated where what was from, and they improved upon it, criticized it, reviewed it, etc... Muslims are the ones that established the scientific method not europeans.

Apparently more than 1000+ of history is not enough proof for you. You can only cling to straw events but not a megalithic portion of history.

If evangelist/missionary/orientalist lies were true, there would be NO christians existing in muslim lands. However the opposite is true. Copts rose in population under Muslim rule. The last 100 years were not 'muslim rule' but military dictatorships supported by the united states might I add, and harshly supported with military and financial backing.

Christians prospered in Jerusalem as well under Muslim rule.

Then there's the Jews. Who the Christian Europeans hunted down for ages and they ran to muslim lands for protection. Spain is a perfect example of that. When the Christians came they converted everyone by the sword -- to the death. And those that were exiled/escaped moved to what is today Morocco to be with the muslims. In fact one of my coworkers is Jewish but two generations ago his family became Muslim. Of course not the history I am talking about, but Jews in moroccco were very strong.

[bighead]

Yes sir this is one of many of western society's downfalls and regressions that are touted as 'progression'. All the garbage that was once with rational intellect erased from society is being reintroduced into society under all kinds of retarded pretexts.

People once ran around nude in ignorance, then started covering themselves, today people are uncovering themselves or designing ways to expose themselves (clothing that still makes you butt naked in appearance or even emphasizes your appearance).

Homosexuality? Ancient and old, animals do it. GREAT! So that means apparently we must do it. It's idiotic, impractical, dirty and unnatural in the sense that it goes against our actual nature. It is just perversion and perverse misguided vain desires. You can talk all day long about it and justify yourself but in the end it's just perverse desires. Humanity would seize to exist if we did not have men and women. We are designed to be man period... and woman period... not in between. Only mutations cause us to be hemaphrodite like and its very rare. It's a mutation, not a good thing, not a normal thing. The other thing besides psychological brainwashing is hormonal issues. Men that are feminized due to excess estrogen, all the chemical crap around us. Or consumming excess hormones and chemicals from food stock that's not naturally bred or fed.

Homosexuality is unscientific if you wana talk about it being 'natural' lol... men have penises, women have vagins... both distinct and unique reproductive systems that are a must for our survival and by design meant to be the way it is. Homosexuality occurs when a spark in the brain of some idiot guy induces him to chemically bond with another guy and then stick his weiner in the poo poo hole and calls it 'love'.

Then there's prostitution, it's called the oldest trade in the world.. well... i guess its being legalized now and taxed LOL.. and women talk about 'exploitation of women' and 'saving women'... wait what?

It's funny only ten+ years ago talking about homosexuality publicly everyone would agree it's wrong and a disgrace, today... everyone will jump you and groupie you for being against it.

What is normal? What some idiot people decide because it's the way the wind blows today than yesterday vs tomorrow? No that's just a society built on corrupt vain desires.

 

   

[a_ahmed]

The guy led a Godless life, lived a perverse lifestyle as a homosexual and valued his life so very little to actually end it versus analyse it and change the wrong in his life and be a better individual. How will he be judged by God? We can all very well conclude. He will face God the way he left this world.

And if as a Christian or a Jew you deny the reality that God destroyed a whole nation for this perverse life style then you are the one denying God's decrees. Just because some perverse desires of a nation today forge man made laws and 'legalize' homosexuality does not make it any different from what it was and what it is. It is the same act and same perverse beliefs contrary to what God wants of us, contrary to what we as humans are meant to be like.

To me it is indifferent to a narcotic drug addict who values his life so lowly and despite knowing its harmful to himself and society, that he keeps taking these narcotics until some day he is so depressed of his low value in life of himself that he would go ahead and end his life.

It is psychological destruction of a society. We can cite various reasons why homosexuality is being adopted as accepted, whether its politicians wanting more votes or population control or whatever.

[bighead]

Luke 6:37-42  [37] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.  [38] Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."  [39] He also told them this parable: "Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?  [40] A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.  [41] "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?  [42] How can you say to your brother, `Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.